Being responsible is not always easy, especially when it comes to running a football club, where playing to the gallery offers vastly better short-term returns, and no doubt a rush of endorphins.
If your fans are engaged in an activity which regularly brings them to the attention of the courts, and your club into disrepute, it doesn’t matter what you think of the apparent offense. You may chant an offending song in the shower every morning month, but your only public comment on the matter can be to chastise and urge fans to desist.
Clubs in Scotland voted against what is known as strict liability. This means they are not held responsible for transgressions by their fans – and who wants to be held responsible for the actions of others who protected from personal liability by hiding in a crowd.
Part of the deal on not having strict liability is that clubs must demonstrate that they take all steps necessary to dissuade and educate their fans from carrying out criminal or regulatory offenses. It’s simply not possible for club to tell fans their illegal actions were justified, as this would place the club itself in the firing line.
The nonsense following the Scottish Cup final is all background noise as far as we are concerned, but be aware the contagion will spread beyond those you could consider highly dysfunctional operators.
Solving Kids Cancer in memory of Oscar Knox
Our own Bundoran Bhoy will run the Edinburgh Marathon on Sunday on behalf of Solving Kids Cancer. He has put in an enormous amount of work ahead of the event, for a cause which you are only too familiar with.
26 miles is a long way to run. You can give him some encouragement on his Just Giving page.
Good luck, Tommy.
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TWISTS
Your computer is a better judge than you!
Masty
There is a minimum allocation to away fans, though I can’t remember the percentage. I guess we give them the entire bottom section for logistical/segregation reasons.
EUROCHAMPS67
I think I have it,c&p in a mail.
I’ll check,and send it if so.
MASTY on 31ST MAY 2016 8:58 AM
That’s what I’ve always said we should do. Regardless of our own ST sales. Treat them like any other new arrival in the Premiership and give them a normal allocation.
Another sun kissed day Lower EK where Gingers should be best advised to stay in the shade.
BSR
Worse for balding gingers who have zero protection
;-)
Res 12
Can anyone advise me on the following:
If UEFA choose to ignore this, despite the best efforts of the bhoys who have campaigned tirelessly , is that it?
Or, is there enough evidence that some sort of legal redress will be sought against them too?
Shocking article on employee safety in the bookmaking industry.
It’s a “Long Read” so maybe better open in new browser.
IMO,it shows a disgraceful dereliction of duty of care to employees in favour of cost-cutting. Ladbrokes save £15m from it,pay a murdered employee’s family £140k.
100/1 shot. They love them.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/31/big-gamble-dangerous-british-betting-shops
I’m quite sure I’m not the only one on here to have stopped some tanked-up six-footer as he’s about to go on the rampage against a sole female staff member. It’s one of the reasons I boycott Ladbrokes.
Rangers used to get lower and upper tier, I’d imagine as they are the ‘same club’ Sevco will get the same.
If they don’t there would have been a statement by now CSC
TWISTS N TURNS on 31ST MAY 2016 9:03 AM
If we were to do that, I think it would represent a reduction of their old allocation, when they got around half the Rangers end top and bottom plus the corner – 7k seats.
BT
That’s yer Daa?
That’s over a week and no sign of the Abraham Zapruder video footage of the 800 Sevcs being attacked at Hampden.
Grassy Knoll CSC
BSR
He has more than I have
WEEMINGER
That’s roughly about right,IIRC.
BUT…
I have a cunning plan…
We start off by giving them 7000 seats. We deduct the number which are damaged from their next allocation. So about 80% of that. And so on,till they learn how to behave themselves.
We also only open the toilets which weren’t wrecked previously,reducing them to pishing where they stand. Hopefully a real rain will soon clear that smell and besides which,before long,they either learn to behave themselves or realise that they’re gonna smell like everyone else in The Louden.
Bobby
I was in Birmingham recently and popped into a Betfred.
There was a fella pumping notes, and plenty of them, into a gaming machine. Roulette.
Each spin must’ve been costing him £30 to £50. Returns were zero to negligible.
He was becoming increasingly agitated, cursing, pacing around, and getting louder by the minute.
Eventually he decided to vent his anger on the machine. Banging it , swearing at it, getting seriously upset.
The poor bloke behind the counter was telling him, from a distance, not to hit the machine.
Eventually the bloke , clearly out of funds by now, stormed out the shop, but was , by now, in a dreadfully upset state.
Heaven knows the full impact of his loss that day had on the rest of his day:week:general health, but I hope he wasn’t going home to a wife or kids for a few hours.
In the short time I was there, until he left, I reckon he’d done at least £300. It was a Friday so it’s possible his wages for the week had just been lost.
When he did leave, quite a few “lurkers” were quick to jump on to the same machine, armed with the knowledge that these machines pay out a percentage of whatever is put into them.
Quite sad to see it actually, and whilst I’m a gambler myself, the introduction of gaming machines, virtual events and the like, has got to have worsened the problem of addiction.
BLANTYRETIM IS PRAYING FOR THE KNOX FAMILY on 31ST MAY 2016 9:09 AM
BSR
Worse for balding gingers who have zero protection
…………………………………………………………………………………………………
BT… shirley not advocating condoms!!
7000 for Sevco
Previously when we had high demand we sold FAMILY section
in that part of ground obviously with condition you were ousted
when sevco came to town.
I remember saying to my kids will I move and get tkts in there
as they wouldn’t sell kids tkts where I sat. Kids were like
” no games against them Whats the point of a season tkt.”
I was like fair enough and eventually they started selling
kids tkts where I sit and still do.
Hope the johnny come latelys don’t scupper that for me.
: > )
BOURNESOUPRECIPE
School day again,never heard of the Zapruder film.
Just watched two versions of it. One was in enhanced HD.
Fuxake…
Desert Bhoy
After 22 years no need .
TWISTSNTURNS
There’s a major problem with them. Part of the problem is the amount that can be won,believe it or not.
No-one plays for the 97% return. They play for the 10x that return.
And it does happen,of course it does.
As a result,in order to even out the score,some poor buggers get hammered.
It’s a game of chance. A lottery.
Who would put £300,say,on the lottery? Or into a fruit machine?
Me,I’ll stick to the horses. At least then,I know I can blame you for rotten tips(!)
Masty 8.28
I don’t understand how we can already have sold more season tickets than last season already.
This is just the renewal deadline.
So only those that bought last season can renew so far.
When the deadline is over ,and there is a public sale ,then we have the opportunity to increase on last seasons total.
It’s all hype as far as I can see.
TT
Ress12 Resistance Scottish football monitor
http://www.sfm.scot/the-offline-game/?cid=146994
TinyTIM
they are selling tkts for UPPER stand where banners are.
These seats weren’t SOLD last season so nobody “owns” them
Has John Eustace passed his Sevco medical yet?
BMCUW
Too gorey for public consumption , – at least that was the excuse that Life magazine gave for hiding it away for years after the assassination.
Oliver Stone put paid to that a lifetime later, but none the less.
No matter what you believe the Zapruder film, puts paid to the lone gunman theory farce.
Jim Garrison CSC
Jc2
Are you certain about that?
TT
Jc2
As I said .
The public sale hasn’t commenced yet.
TT
Sure it as advertised last week Upper season tkts available
someone else will confirm or check website
Bada
Joey Barton is filling the ‘John Eustace role’
I think the Herald were trying to sabotage the ress12 advert in the guardian .why would they pursue CQN for the ad to be published in there paper then out of the blue( excuse the pun ) say on orders from above we cant publish ?
BSR 9.43
Black ops CIA hit.
Lyndon Johnson, Dulles….Texas oil men/Murchison.
HH
BOURNESOUPRECIPE
Aye,that’s for sure. The Warren Commission may have taken us for dum-dums,I reckon the only dum-drums came out of a rifle.
That really shocked me,mate. I’d honestly never seen it before.
Tinytim. 9.44.
Definitely. Season tickets for Upper Lisbon Lions were on sale last week for anyone who wanted to purchase a new season ticket. Alternatively you could put your name down for any other part of the stadium and this would be dealt with once the renewal date had past.
EUROCHAMPS67 on 31ST MAY 2016 8:56 A
Paul deleted my cached version from last night at 01:19am.
Has emdae been advised to download SAFERWEB for internet protection??
TGM / BMCUW
LBJ appears complicit as does Alan Dulles ( sacked by JFK ) over the Bay of Pigs handling.
Foreign policy ( inc Vietnam ) was changed inside a week after the murder. LBJ gave
the o.k. to change the original route of motorcade.
TooMuchEvidence CSC
p.s. George Bush senior was a CIA agent and on duty in Dallas that very day.
MURDOCHAULDANDHAY
Not sure their intention was to sabotage it,tbh.
I think it was to dig for information,get the content and pass it on.
I wonder who would have been behind that little initiative?
Btw,it will be someone with no contact inside The Guardian. Employees can access planned pages,as,they are placed. For,instance,I know what is in tomorrow’s Swindon Advertiser,bar the up-to-date stuff.
So…
Features,adverts,notices,planned well in advance. Latest news and racing results,NAW!!!
BSR& BMCUWP
Zapruder Film….yeah, they sure had a long time to work on that:)
The whole scenario is total media manipulation.
Watch the original news reels on YT…of the TV and Press coverage.
A feeling of staged unreality…scripted in many instances.
Then…..flashback to the Reichstag Fire incident in Germany in 1933…..Martial Law
Think of Edward Bernays and the role of Goebbels.
Anyway…could go on:)….but i wont:)
HH