Being responsible is not always easy, especially when it comes to running a football club, where playing to the gallery offers vastly better short-term returns, and no doubt a rush of endorphins.
If your fans are engaged in an activity which regularly brings them to the attention of the courts, and your club into disrepute, it doesn’t matter what you think of the apparent offense. You may chant an offending song in the shower every morning month, but your only public comment on the matter can be to chastise and urge fans to desist.
Clubs in Scotland voted against what is known as strict liability. This means they are not held responsible for transgressions by their fans – and who wants to be held responsible for the actions of others who protected from personal liability by hiding in a crowd.
Part of the deal on not having strict liability is that clubs must demonstrate that they take all steps necessary to dissuade and educate their fans from carrying out criminal or regulatory offenses. It’s simply not possible for club to tell fans their illegal actions were justified, as this would place the club itself in the firing line.
The nonsense following the Scottish Cup final is all background noise as far as we are concerned, but be aware the contagion will spread beyond those you could consider highly dysfunctional operators.
Solving Kids Cancer in memory of Oscar Knox
Our own Bundoran Bhoy will run the Edinburgh Marathon on Sunday on behalf of Solving Kids Cancer. He has put in an enormous amount of work ahead of the event, for a cause which you are only too familiar with.
26 miles is a long way to run. You can give him some encouragement on his Just Giving page.
Good luck, Tommy.
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A persistent belief is that “the King” did not die in 1977. Many ‘big fans’ persist in claiming he is still alive, that he went into hiding for various reasons.
This claim is allegedly backed up by thousands of so-called sightings e.g.down the chip shop etc. The main reason given in support of the belief that Presley faked his death is that, on his grave, his middle name Aron is spelt as Aaron.
But “Aaron” is actually the genuine middle name for Presley. Apparently, either Presley or his parents tried to change the name to “Aron” to make it more similar to Presley’s stillborn twin, Jesse Garon Presley.
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GREENPIÑATA
Glad to come across a fellow moon landing debunker ;)
Is there a clique?
Given his involvement in most of the ‘funnest’ things in human society over the last 50 years I will feel personally let down if it transpires that BRTH played no role in the moon landings.
(Comments about rockets neither welcome nor fair I hasten to add!)
HH jamesgang
For the avoidance of doubt,my post at 1043 to THE GREEN MAN was meant to be tongue in cheek.
Spelling bringing instead of bigging might have helped,tbh.
Sorry,bud.
Borgo67
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BOURNESOUPRECIPE
Suspicious Minds…
Gad.
Fact.
Oswald spent time in the Soviet Union .
Fact
He killed Officer Tippett .
Fact.
His wife was a Soviet citizen.
Fact.
Oswald handed out pro Castro leaflets.
Fact
The C.I.A. had previously tried to assassinate Fidel.
Fact
Kennedy had recently humiliated Kruschev over the Cuban Missile crisis.
Now.
What`s your theory ?
Macjay
He was in his own words……… a Patsy.
Moon landings? JFK? Elvis?
Next you’ll be telling me Dave King Disnae have front loaded warchest!
Macjay
The list of jfk’s enemies was long. And that’s not even including his poor wife.
Khrushchev would be far from the top of my list of prime suspects despite Oswald’s time in the Soviet Union.
That’s not to discount the KGB or their military equivalent the GRU. Two entities with very distinctly different agendas from Khrushchev within the complex and murky world of Soviet politics.
US military industrial complex had much to fear in jfk’s Vietnam ambitions…or lack of.
And his former pals in the mafia who helped secure his narrow victory must have felt let down when he allowed their prosecution.
Truth? I don’t know. But strongly suspect not Khrushchev.
HH jamesgang
In order of priority for shooting:
1. The manager who could not kid proof an enclosure. IT’s a zoo. Kids frequent. Many are wilder than the animals.
2. The parents of the wee sh*te that sneaked into the enclosure. Kids can be sneaky and it’s difficult to control them all the time BUT YOU WERE IN A ZOO.
3. The wee sh*te. He is only 4 but he is American and safe to assume spoiled rotten. Shoot the parents again too just be sure.
4. The ape. Last resort and no need if 1, 2 and 3 taken care of.
While we’re on a shooting spree I’d shoot the editor of ITV news who only showed the bit where the ape helps the wee bot to his feet. Only seen online, the part where the ape rag dolls him through the water is utterly terrifying. Any parent in the land would have shot it once that situation started to unravel.
Thank goodness there is a site like CQN where we can air this sort of stuff. I blame P67. 4 days, no new article and burning hot sun. We’re all MAAAAAAD.
It’s okay, we’ve still got some of his jizz!” is definitely the weirdest aspect of this gorilla business.
Braw
HUNDERBIRDS ARE GONE
Did you see my reply yesterday ?
HUNDERBIRDS ARE GONE on 31ST MAY 2016 11:18 AM
A clique sounds good. As CQN’ers are famed for their common sense, I would bet there will be a waiting list.
HH.
I haven`t a clue about who was involved in the conspiracy .
But the Soviet / Cuban connection to Oswald is proved.
Why was he murdered by a Jewish strip club owner who was dying of cancer and knew it ?
Ergo , nothing much to lose.
Probably to shut him up. Just supposition though. But reasonable supposition.
BlantyreKev –
I know that the sun is burning hot, but have not seen any evidence of that in a long time . . .
Ulryc
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Macjay
To shut him up?
I think, certainly yes.
By whom?
That is the question!
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HH jamesgang
Good film for conspiracy theorists Wag The Dog with Robert De Niro and Dustin Hoffman.
JAMESGANG on 31ST MAY 2016 11:28 AM
I agree .
Although Soviet assistance to Cuba knew no bounds.
C.I.A. ? Nae chance. How would you cover that up ?
think of the relief for all the guys whose girls adopted them that monkey as a ‘sweet’ pressie.
Will save them a fortune
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 31ST MAY 2016 11:22 AM
Macjay
He was in his own words……… a Patsy.
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Can`t remember that.
His words post assassination ?
Historians used to believe the earth was flat. Tee Hee.
JAMESGANG on 31ST MAY 2016 11:46 AM
Who shut him up ?
My guess .
Cuba.
But you couldn`t rule out Mafia involvement after brother Bobby went after “organised crime “….Jimmy Hoffa etc.
Maybe a co-production. :-)
Many of you should read James Ellroy’s American Tabloid, The Cold Six Thousand and Blood’s A Rover trilogy.
I can’t contribute much on the Kennedy assassination as I haven’t read enough about it, although the conviction of Oswald was clearly dodgy. However, I read a book called An Act of State by William Pepper, which covers the Martin Luther King assassination, and it’s a fascinating read. This is a summary from Wikipedia –
Martin Luther King cases
Martin Luther King Jr. contacted Pepper after seeing a photo essay Pepper had published entitled The Children of Vietnam published in the January 1967 issue Ramparts magazine depicting victims of napalm in Vietnam.[4] Pepper later stated that the contact contributed to King’s more adamant position against the Vietnam War. Pepper was present at King’s April 4, 1967 Riverside Church speech in which King launched a strong campaign against the war.
Pepper thought that King’s assassination was part of a government conspiracy and became James Earl Ray’s last attorney. He postulated that Ray was framed by the FBI, the CIA, the military, the Memphis police and organized crime figures from New Orleans and Memphis. He publicized his position in books and represented James Earl Ray in a televised mock trial in an attempt to get Ray the trial that he never had. Ray was found not guilty in the mock trial, though actually convicted of King’s assassination.
Through his writing, King’s son, Dexter King, took up the cause to prove Ray was innocent. Dexter met with Ray on March 27, 1997, at the Lois M. DeBerry Special Needs Facility, during which he said that he believed Ray was innocent.[5]
Following Ray’s death, Pepper represented the King family in a wrongful death lawsuit, “King family vs. Loyd Jowers and other unknown co-conspirators”. During a trial that lasted four weeks, Pepper produced over seventy witnesses. Jowers, testifying by deposition, stated that James Earl Ray was a scapegoat and not involved in the assassination. Jowers testified that Memphis police officer Earl Clark fired the fatal shots. On December 8, 1999, the Memphis jury found Jowers responsible, and also found that the assassination plot included “governmental agencies.” The jury took less than an hour to find in favor of the King family for the requested sum of $100.[6]
The upshot for me.
The death of J.F.K. was a tragedy for the globe.
We may even have avoided the criminal Nixon .
Who knows ?
Re. Kennedy
I have never been convinced by the reports that Oswald used a suppository to shoot and then run.
Soukous
Wag the Dog is a great wee flick.
Macjay
CIA potential to do it? You think not?
Sadly I have more ‘faith’ in their ability than you it seems.
And look at the IranContra affair. Geopolitics creates the strangest and most insidious of bedfellows.
PS if I ever go missing after a Hoot, it was Bobbio what done it! With Guinness. In the parlour!
HH jamesgang
CHAVEZ on 31ST MAY 2016 11:56 AM
Fascinating stuff.
Ray was arrested in London. Why had he gone there ?
But , it wouldn`t be hard to find people who wanted M.L. King dead.
Again , I don`t know enough to comment.
JAMESGANG
Me and whose army?
Phew JAMESGANG…..bet you are glad you got that wee dugs name right!!!!
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Braw
I have been known to postulate occasionally. It is healthy in my opinion, and natural for one to wish to do so.
Interesting – well it is to me.
Macjay. Seems I was right all along. And you were wrong. At least one of us knew that to be the case!
;-))
HH jamesgang
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/31/witnessing-death-neoliberalism-imf-economists?CMP=twt_gu
Macjay
CIA potential to do it? You think not?
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I don`t think they had the potential to cover it up.
Iran/Contra they couldn`t cover up.
Go back to the facts.
What factual information do we have of possible C.I.A. involvement ?
Now , Hoover`s F.B.I. ?
Just to muddy the waters.
:-)
Iran/Contra
NEUSTADT-BRAW on 31ST MAY 2016 12:05 PM
You had me sooooo worried there!!
Bobbio!
;-)
HH jamesgang
JFK the Bush Connection This is an interesting hypothesis.
Hail Hail.
Macjay
Hoover opens a whole new, horrid can of wurrims!
I can neither count nor did discount CIA authoritatively.
But I don’t see how you can either?
Unless you’ve got something you want to share?
;-)
Laters Timdom
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HH jamesgang
JAMESGANG on 31ST MAY 2016 12:08 PM
Re. The death of Neo-liberalism.
The big lie.
Communism on one side . Capitalism on the other.
The big truth
Communism on one side. Democracy on the other.
Honest.