On Saturday my mind wandered, as it does, to the demise of Gretna in 2008. The village team were bankrolled through the Scottish league system until promotion to the SPL in 2007 but then the cash ran out. The club went into liquidation a few weeks from the end of the season but while most of the first team squad were made redundant, a few remained on a week-to-week basis to see out the remaining league programme, assisted considerably by the SPL and Livingston FC, who made their ground available.
Should Rangers fail around the same time, I thought, how apt it would be for us to meet them in the Scottish Cup final. We would be there at the end to wave goodbye to a unique institution. Witnesses to the final whistle on a club with an enormously controversial history.
Unfortunately, my hopes were dashed by Dundee United at Ibrox yesterday, who Flushed Away the opposition and won their first game against an SPL team in 2012. We will have to scramble for tickets for the prospective event at another venue.
United seem set to try their hardest to spoil my enjoyment of the Cup. Our quarter final draw against them next month will be one of the toughest games of the season.
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mrs J has lovingly offered to make a valentines dinner next week. she asked what would i like for dessert.
the question is…. which flavour of jelly and ice cream should i go for?
also,
would it be premature for the unveiling of the famous banner next month at mordor?
” Agent Whyte return to base. Mission Accomplished!”
This has probably been raked over before, but I’ve been following the exchange on Twitter between CU and STVGrant. The latter mentions his article, link, dealing with re-entry to the SPL in the event of liquidation/Newco.
It states:
The conditions for entry are set by the SPL board, and not the representatives from the remaining 11 member clubs. The board consists of Ralph Topping (SPL chairman), Neil Doncaster (SPL chief executive), Eric Riley (Celtic), Stephen Thompson (Dundee United), Derek Weir (Motherwell) and Steven Brown (St Johnstone). Topping has the casting vote in the event of a split decision.
To me, this renders the debate around Div 3 entry somewhat moot, as looking at the members of that board, the overwhelming vote would be yes to NewCo in the SPL (Celtic the only vote against). Pressure may be brought to bear on some of them by other member clubs, but they will ultimately act in the interests of their own club/association/business.
Comments and thoughts welcome, but it seems realistic to believe they will re-enter the SPL, and that any points penalties will be negotiated between these board members (again, with their financial interests the chief influence).
Surely if Rangers is only worth a £1 it will only take 100 of them to PAPE.
Pay A Penny Economise
MWD
Mr X says:
6 February, 2012 at 21:31
If I were a currant bun, why would I put up around £550, when there is the distinct possibility of seeing my money disappear into the ether when they go bust.
There season ticket sales are about to fall through the floor regardless of the tax case.
Douglas Fraser’s blog on the BBC is worth taking a peek at.
The Battered Bunnet
Indeed what is the world coming to, a mild mannered janitor if ever there was one and no avenue of appeal.
Could have said p̶i̶d̶d̶l̶e̶
*tiptoes away CSC*
Its great to see Rangers fans joining our party mood.
Saturday we had jelly and ice cream and a conga
Yesterday the rangers fans were playing Hide & Seek!
mWD
PAPE? Mmmmmmmmmmmmm dont know abt that. But I like the way ur thinking!!
A goverment warning said that anyone travelling in icy conditions should take a shovel, blankets, or sleeping bag, extra clothing, including a scarf hat and gloves, 24 hour supply of food and drink, de icer, rock salt, torch, spare battery, petrol can, 1st aid kit-jump leads…
I looked a right tw%£ on the bus this morning
Apologies if these have already been posted. I just read them on the Rangers Media Forum, and had to share…
If you think this is all about football
Sorry but you are a little deluded, this is all about out history, our religion, and our way of life!
Our enemies are out to destroy us and what I cannot understand is that the tims are only 16% of the Scottish population, yet we are allowing them to set the agenda against our club.
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It is time to fight back:
Stand by our club.
Challenge your work mates on their views about Rangers (this is no longer banter) they are out to wipe us out of Scotland.
Challenge the media, reply to letters pages in papers that attack our club, challenge Facebook pages and posts from your so-called friends!
Complain about TV coverage of our club, for example all of you complain to the BBC news (reporting Scotland) describing us(Rangers fans) as licking our wounds today.
Do not buy papers that are attacking our club (if they still continue after you complain) with this agenda also, let them know why you are no longer buying it (or never have).
Flood phone in sections of so called “ sport programs” that attack our club.
I do not have all the answers (if indeed any) but we all can no longer just continue to watch what is going on!!!
The tims are salivating with anticipation at the demise of our club.
The cry was “ No surrender,” cannot put it better myself.
It is always easer to criticise than to act!!!
Just a bear that has had enough!!!
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They have cranked up the pressure.
The end game for these people is not about a football club.
It is about an extension of the Irish RC state.
We will not see this in our life times but it is the plan.
Rangers FC and the Church of Scotland are seen as Obstacles.
We have given them this opportunity so its up to us to defend ourselves.
up_over_goal
In not a TWIT but can you ask grant to point you in the direction of the specific rule/s of The Rules and Regulations of the SPL and/or the specific article/s of The Articles of Association of the SPL and/or any clarification letter sent by the SPL to its members/share owners that would back his understanding of how a the aforementioned Rules and Regulations and Articles of Association would be applied if a non specific club experienced a liquidation event that saw a Newco club be transferred the Oldco clubs SPL share?
MWD
up_over_goal says:
6 February, 2012 at 21:47
‘The conditions for entry are set by the SPL board, and not the representatives from the remaining 11 member clubs.’
Paul67 has said that he has been told that ‘an SPL club’ and the SPL have both had legal advice to that effect that the decision as to whether a newco huns should be admitted to the SPL is a decision for their board, not their members.
That’s at odds with what Hugh Keevins says he’s been told by the SPL. He said it was a vote by the members. That’s certainly my reading of the Articles of Association.
It’s odd that something so apparently straightforward seems to be causing confusion.
It’s almost as if someone is trying to muddy the waters.
The Battered Bunnet says:
6 February, 2012 at 21:47
Is this the blog you mean?
Douglas Fraser’s blog – BBC
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
!!Bada Bing!! Kano 1000 says:
6 February, 2012 at 21:52
‘A goverment warning said that anyone travelling in icy conditions should take a shovel, blankets, or sleeping bag, extra clothing, including a scarf hat and gloves, 24 hour supply of food and drink, de icer, rock salt, torch, spare battery, petrol can, 1st aid kit-jump leads…’
Wot? No jelly and ice cream?
Jude
I’m with you on ssb ? totally missed that one.
Anybody want to speculate what murray makes of cw – embarassed for the club he led to glory or glad he’s taking the heat of murray ?
As TBB says, Douglas Fraser’s blog is worth a look. He seems to be facing things head on. Both Murray and Whyte are criticised.
Perhaps they could organise a fund raising appeal to fill the funding gap, they could ask people for poppy!
Professor Green says:
6 February, 2012 at 21:47
Mr X says:
6 February, 2012 at 21:31
If I were a currant bun, why would I put up around £550, when there is the distinct possibility of seeing my money disappear into the ether when they go bust.
There season ticket sales are about to fall through the floor regardless of the tax case.
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The concern both orcs had was that renewals are due out to them in a month. Rumour is the money is to be paid up front, no instalments. They could pay the money in March and Whytey then does a runner with said cash.
The Battered Bunnet says:
6 February, 2012 at 21:47
Good read I can’t see anyway that it can’t be over at Poundland…
Moonbeams
Good point, but check your back door – all your full stops have done a runner!
I can’t get back onto the article (site’s down) but would trust STVGrant to have done his research.
ernie lynch
Hmmm. Paul67/STVGrant or Hugh Keevins. Who to believe?
James F, forget the jelly and ice cream and beer when that happens. Go for a superior cup of coffee and listen to major Tom coming home :-)
SffS
Snyde news: a Celtic fan’s in hospital in Inverness after APPARENTLY being slashed…!!!! Jeesuus!
Barcabhoy, aye, so I see. Zzzzzzz. I’ll keep it brief tomorrow.
Happy to give a endorsement for Rubicon. In fact, v surprised if you don’t know each other already.
RanchoFranco, cheers.
Ernie
It is clear that the SPL did not foresee this current set of circumstances when they drafted the articles. In every event though, the Board are required to execute the direction provided by the members, failing which, to act in good faith and in the inetersts of their members at all times. It is inconceivable that incomers to Scottish Fooball – Doncaster and Topping – can be permitted to put their career and personal interests ahead of the interests of the members who employ them.
Additionally, given the ambiguity in the articles, it would be unwise of the Board to force through a dissonant decision. Whether it is ultimately determined that the Board or the Members have the decision to make, the decision will be made by the Members.
It’s a hellish battle when antagonists fight over who’s to blame for putting the final bullets in a corpse that’s already dead.
Best to keep our eyes on newco(s).
Chris
EKBhoy says:
6 February, 2012 at 21:43
‘Buddy of mine tells me they just get posted on the internet with the judgement ….. what else are these judges doing for weeks on end, other than writing up their judgement.
The fact that the hearing was in private will not influence the publication of the findings……’
The judges and tribunal members are part time. They have day jobs as lawyers and accountants.
Not all judgements are published. There have been around 15,000 FTT tribunal cases since the system was introduced in 2009 (not all have had hearings, a lot are decided on written submissions), and there have been about 1700 judgements published.
davythelotion says:
6 February, 2012 at 22:04
Did they mention whether this happened in the ground?
Mr X says:
6 February, 2012 at 22:00
……
The concern both orcs had was that renewals are due out to them in a month. Rumour is the money is to be paid up front..
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
In used non-sequential fivers or Euros.
First ever post for an hooked reader of CQN for several years. Just have to say hello to everyone and I promise that I am not from the dark side. My point relates to discussions following on from watching Dundee United’s win at Ibrox on tv yesterday when several mates said its was odds on that Celtic would be drawn away to Dundee United in the next round.I suspected this would happen too.On driving home from work tonight, suprise, suprise, I heard on the car radio that we had been drawn away to them right enough. I thought well no wonder we are paranoid. On checking records back over the last three years I found that excluding semi finals, finals and the replay with Rangers last season we have been drawn away in the Scottish Cup consecutively TEN times, the last home tie being in February 2009 against Queen Park. I wonder what the odds are of that happening? Paranoid never!
The only way we will STOP huns entering as a newco, will be for our support to put pressure on our board.
The SPL must abide by the correct rules, what they are saying is Celtic or rangers can never be relegated.
No wonder the English mock our league, wait till they hear this yin.
!!Bada Bing!! Kano 1000 says:
6 February, 2012 at 21:52
You always look like that:O)
Lennybhoy
Back on- yes I will be going to Tynecastle on Wednesday- a big game and a hard one.
Up Over Goal
The current SPL rules seem clear enough on it’s website.
A club unable to fulfill it’s fixtures will have the results/records expunged. The team finishing last and therefore losing membership would instead be kept in membership (that is no relegation). These are the SPL’s own published rules.
So, on the demise of RFC, there IS NO VACANCY.
Why is this ‘alternative’ being peddled by so many without challenge or question?
I think you and I both know……..
HH
Elidor69 says:
6 February, 2012 at 21:53
How the hell are celtic minded people out to destroy rangers fc when they’ve done it themselves, they are mad.
up_over_goal says:
6 February, 2012 at 22:02
‘ernie lynch
Hmmm. Paul67/STVGrant or Hugh Keevins. Who to believe?
On my reading of the Articles of Association I think the version reported by Keevins is more accurate.
Parkheadcumsalford says:
6 February, 2012 at 22:00
See my post at 21:55
honestbelter says:
6 February, 2012 at 22:06
Welcome…I think I read on here that the odds were 256/1, though I could be wrong…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
honestbelter says:
6 February, 2012 at 22:06
If you were a real Tim ,you would know this
is entirely possible.
Welcome and get with the beat baggy:O)