In a month full of events which resonate with the spirit which inspired those who formed Celtic Football Club, last night’s Wee Oscar 4 Life race night at the Kerrydale Suite was as special as it gets. Those who were there know they gathered as a community to help the family of Oscar Knox do whatever they can to help the four-year-old through his illnesses.
If you were there, you were magnificent. Those who decided they would give their time and resources to organise the event are an inspiration to us all. It was great to hear Bobby Petta talk about the Celtic support in glowing terms. He has been back in Glasgow for a couple of years and is very much at home in Celtic. Treble-winning-captain-Tom-Boyd and Frank McAvennie didn’t need to learn about the Celtic support, they were born into it. Both were there to help and ensure the night was a success.
Performances of the night came from Oscar’s dad, Stephen, Kris Commons’ partner, Lisa and our very own Minx, who sounded like she had presented Children In Need for the last 20 years. Lisa, who is heavily pregnant, inspired the room with an uncommon touch of humanity.
By late in the evening the total raised was over £25k. Another simply stunning day in Paradise.
I’ve been offline for most of the last couple of days but have picked up on some of the issues surrounding the Green Brigade. What I haven’t missed is a single minute of action at Celtic Park this season but I’ve not seen a single incident of crowd trouble or alarm. This season our games could be ‘policed’ by stewards alone, so it is beyond curious as to why police have any interest in Celtic supporters at all.
Football operations the like of which have been reported are not the actions of officers on the ground, they are a political dictate from very high up the food chain. There is neither justification nor plausible motivation for using our tax money in this way.
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“A House divided against itself must fall”–a very wise saying.
“The right to be heard does not also mean the right to be taken seriously”-another one. The saying I like a lot is–“Speak softly and carry a big stick”–Teddy Rooseveldt, I think, but CQN will put me right I’m sure.
It’s not so long ago we were up in arms over Trigger’s Broom and their machinations to get themselves back at the top table. There were plenty of posters ready to storm the gates then as well. One thing I’ve learned from all my years throughout the “troubles” in N.Ireland. The best secret is none at all. The Media House boys are rubbing their hands–aint that right, Jack? Drop a pebble and watch the ripples.
Every poster is entitled to their view. So my opinion is this–put the complaints in writing to the Board, Strathclyde Police, your MP, SMP, Councillor, BBC, ITV, (the main companies) the press and all the local outlets your can access.
Chapter, verse, dates, and witnesses.
You build a case, then if necessary, go to law. I’ll willingly contribute to legal costs.
Meanwhile, back the GB to the hilt. They deserve that at least.
ernie lynch:
HMA v JOHN CLARK WILSON
Today at Edinburgh Sheriff Court, Sheriff Fiona Reith QC sentenced John Wilson to 8 months imprisonment after he was found guilty of committing a breach of the peace at Tynecastle Football Stadium on 11 May 2011. A Football Banning Order was also made against the accused.
On sentencing Sheriff Reith made the following statement in court:
“The jury in this case reached their verdict on the basis of the evidence presented to them in court and it now falls on me to sentence you in the light of that verdict. You were found guilty in the following terms: On 11 May 2011 at Tynecastle Football Stadium, Edinburgh, you John Clark Wilson did conduct yourself in a disorderly manner, run onto the field of play during the period of a designated sporting event, run at the away team dug out, shout, swear, all to the alarm and annoyance of others and thereby causing further disturbance within the crowd there and commit a breach of peace.
The crime of which you have been convicted by the jury was a serious one. The football match was a high profile game between Celtic and Hearts. There was evidence that there was a “terrible”, “very tense” and “poisonous” atmosphere in the stadium between both sets of supporters with racist and sectarian shouting and chanting coming from supporters. The atmosphere got even worse after a Hearts player was sent off and then when Celtic scored a second goal in the second half of the game.
It was just after this that you ran on to the field of play and committed the breach of the peace of which you have been convicted. PC Cleghorn told the court that the whole stadium then erupted. He described how extreme antagonism between both sets of supporters of a bigoted, sectarian nature “really kicked off”, as he put it. He described the atmosphere at this point as being very, very volatile and he feared a pitch incursion as the crowd was angry.
A breach of the peace can sometimes be a quite minor crime but sometimes it is not. In this case it was not minor at all; it was serious, and with serious potential consequences in the context of what was already a highly volatile atmosphere in the crowd of over 16,000 football supporters.
In arriving at my view on the question of sentence, I have also taken into account your own personal circumstances. In particular, I take account of what is said in the Criminal Justice Social Work Report and the submissions made on your behalf by Mr Nicolson. This includes what was said about expressions of remorse by you for your actions. My impression from having seen and heard you in evidence is that your remorse is genuine.
However, in all the circumstances, I take the view that the nature and gravity of the offence is such that no disposal other than custody would be appropriate in relation to this offence. It has to be clearly understood by you and others that this sort of behaviour will not be tolerated and will be punished, and punished firmly, by the courts.
In selecting the length of sentence appropriate to mark and punish this offence, and to indicate to you and others the unacceptability of this sort of behaviour, I have taken into account – as I must in the light of guidance from the Appeal Court – that you offered to plead guilty to this charge at a very early stage in your letter to the Crown dated 23rd May 2011 in the precise terms of which you have been found guilty by the jury but that this plea was not accepted by the Crown.
If you had not offered to plead guilty at that earlier stage, I would have sentenced you to 12 months imprisonment. However, in view of your offer to plead guilty at a very early stage, that falls to be reduced in accordance with Appeal Court guidance to 8 months imprisonment. In view of the fact that you have been remanded in custody since you first appeared in court on this matter on 12 May, this sentence will be back-dated to that date.
Big Georges Fan Club
10:31 on 19 November, 2012
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Thanks for clearing that up M8
It wouldn’t be the real me if a
didny mix things up :o)
kitalba
10:27 on 19 November, 2012
If Celtic had been drawn against Arbroath at Gayfield Stadium, would ‘lateral movement’ be scorned by Health and Safety?
How come you are allowed to stand and sway in the lower leagues but you can’t do likewise in the SPL? Are the fans in the lower leagues more trust-worthy?
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Nothing to do with the SPL and everything to do with the safety certificate of the stadium.
I’m guessing here, but were 500 people to continuously move [laterally] at Gayfield every week, then Angus council would meet to review the conditions of the license at that ground.
As much as it irks me that you are very restricted at seated grounds, it should be noted that seated stadia [or sections thereof] were not designed for such jumping about.
I think to this end, and if this is indeed our board’s main gripe, then we need to continue to pursue the construction and implementation of a considerably large safe-standing area. I’m sure that the money required for such a scheme could be found from the additional amounts received from this year’s (unexpected?) extended European adventure.
It’s either that, or we lose the colour and character the GB bring and/or we lose the revenue from having sections of the ground closed, or the ground itself.
There’s no need for anyone to get into trouble for standing. Club or GB.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/nov/17/premier-league-safe-standing-areas
Kevjungle – no worries pal
HH
BGFC
ernie
If the teacher catches you with that phone it’ll be confiscated.
dirtymac:
Does that mean that you are not allowed to jump about in cellebration after your team score too.
There are rules and there are rules.
tomtheleedstim
10:38 on 19 November, 2012
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Thanks for sharing that M8
Time to bring back the – Jungle imo.
kevjungle can the Celtic board plant provide us with a statement. I want to know either way, I guess we all do.
Something stinks and it’s not clear if it’s media house types or our Celtic board. I can’t believe our board would act in this manner. This could spell the end of our club, our support, who benefits from that? yes you got it, the zombies.
Still bucking strong head winds and dodging driving lashing freezing rain in Glasgow on the way to Greggs.
kevjungle – the green brigade must be housed in a new jungle
09:50 on 19 November, 2012
I was criticising you yesterday but, BRILLIANT post….!!!!
Kitalba
The process by which Celtic are governed in respect of release of information needs to be clarified.
The club’policy on release of information on supporters needs to be clarified to see if the GB are dealt with separately.
Then their needs to be a judgement if the policy is right and defensible in a situation where those requesting or demanding the info are right to be doing so and if the rules of the process allow a refusal.
The policy would have been drawn up to cover the possibility of criminal activity by any supporter, not just the GB, but all supporters would want that to protect us from those who do behave badly at all games.
But what the policy cannot do is differentiate between the GB behaviour and that of a badly behaving supporter.
Only the courts can do that.
Celic cannot take on the role of judge and jury they are as fecked by the stupid OB bill as everyone else.
They can certainly express their discontent at the way it is being policed but the club does not work in a vacuum and is subject to the same footballing and civil law as everyone rlse.
This stupid law is doing what was predicted of it.Celtic were not in favour, indeed there was a huge football army against, not just Celtic but the OB bill was still passed.
It is the bill that anger should be directed at and the battle should be fought on a legal and political front.
Once the blame the Board without full understanding of the full context stage is passed the support need to fund and fight the legal and political battle.
All Celtic need to do is say they never supported the bill or had reservations, do not like the way it is being applied and would support an early review of its costs and impact. Something on those lines would satisfy the immediate need for assurance but the real job is not a quick fix one and it will be supporters groups who take it forward.
BSR -it’ll be well worth it.
Just make sure you don’t move laterally as you yomp to the promised land.
Vmhan
10:44 on 19 November, 2012
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Has the thought ever crossed yer mind that, the board harbour the thought that
they got it wrong by voting the huns – out the league ?
I’m sure they must be thinking – what if the sevco survive long enough to work their way through the divisions and into the SPL ?
Now THAT would be toxic.
I mean – what if the cards don’t fall the way that everybody on here thinks they will ?
How would the board face THAT ?
No surprise to see malcontents victims and conspiracy theorists jumping on a negative bandwagon as we get close to a high point in our clubs history and when the gap vs our old rivals has never been wider.
I guess there is no strachan or telfer or naylor to abuse so lets dance to the anti authority tune and gang up on the club itself.
Search for any reds under the bed. They are all against us. The loser victim mentality seems to be something we are much more comfortable wearing.
Does anyone really think those in charge are not aware of the challenges any perceived agenda presents ?
HAIL, HAIL THE CELTS ARE HERE!
Weeminger,
I’ve been digressing from my point which was, it appears to me that specific demographics within Scottish society are not always afforded equality by the establishment, the courts, the police, etc. and often one specific demographic forever appears to be at the bottom of equalities hill looking up.
Apropos I’m scunnered….
One last point regards ‘Health and Safety’, How many are there in the Green Brigade – 400? Their lateral movement present a risk to safety?
Well how come 40,000 huns doing the bouncey bouncey doesn’t do likewise?
Right – off to take my mum in to see about her cataracs in at the Nuffield (another annoyance – NHS money going to a Private Hospital – harrumph).
Good sense auldheid amidst crazy unsubstantiated hysteria on here.
How the other lot must envy what we have to concern ourselves with.
Burnley78 – well said, although our ole old rivals are either our very new rivals, or not our rivals at all.
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors
10:48 on 19 November, 2012
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That means alot coming from yer Ghoodself M8
Hail Hail
alot = a lot
sorry
Auldheid:
Do youbelieve the OB law is being ‘equally’ applied?
If your answer is no then the ‘chin down, say nothing’ approach is cowardly and will beget its own reward.
Burnley78
10:51 on 19 November, 2012
Have you read the statement from the Govan Emerald?
Do you think they are lying?
I remember ole Snoop Dogg when he was first spotted in the best newcomers section of Crufts.
Hoopy Snoopy Huddle Dogg Hound CSC
KITALBA
The bouncy-brilliant comparison,mate!
Football stadia are nothing to with HSE
HSE will not be making any threats whatsoever to Celtic
DBBIA
If the ole gazebo turns empty, it’ll end up blowing away over the new velodrome.
Anybody else want to see young Tony Watt unleashed on benfica??
See them pesky ‘conspiracy theorists’ they dreamt up bombs in the post, assaults on our manager, cheating referees, Campbell Ogilvie, EBT’s, Gordon Smith, bigoted singing, which was praised by the top dogs after the League cup final, the OB legislation,elongated touch-line bans, etc. Etc. Etc.
Tony Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttt
via thindimebhoy
Kitalba – my point exactly
Right – off to get my mum. Later.
HH
Hope the FTT result comes out today.
BGFC
kitalba -10:52 on 19 November, 2012
I’m actually agreeing with you on many points, although I admittedly haven’t experienced it to the level that some say it exists (and I don’t doubt their beliefs).
The point we’re arguing over maybe highlights it. PF would accept a lesser plea from defendant, probably knowing full well it would be hard to prove. Jury doesn’t take option to use lesser charge available. Media report both sides of the story separately – leading to the likes of us getting into mild argument over what actually happened.
Regarding the standing issue. I’ve been in a crush with thousands behind me, and with tens or hundreds behind me at gigs. One was fun, one was not. I can fully understand why they wouldn’t want a large standing section at CP. Opening up 1 or 2 blocks to it, would probably be fine.
Blantyrekev
This where not having a communications policy that brings all elements of the support together damages Celtic.
But do all elements of the support want to give up any of their autonomy to engage in such a process?
I think they might if Celtic established a mechanism, sent out invites and dealt only with those who turned up.
Things Celtic are all hunkdory when results are going well but until such times as Celtic address the damage and cost of not having such a policy there will be future Groundhog days.
Craig Brown has told sports newspaper O Jogo that if Benfica want to win the CL game against Celtic, they will have to forget about attacks through the middle and concentrate instead on attacking down the flanks.
http://www.dn.pt/especiais/interior.aspx?content_id=2893818&especial=Revistas%20de%20Imprensa&seccao=TV%20e%20MEDIA
Ex-Scotland manager Brown, who is now the boss at Aberdeen, explained that his team lost to Celtic on Saturday because they couldn’t gain control of the football, but insisted this is the best way to beat Celtic, by playing a technical game. “Barcelona didn’t manage that, but that was because they had hardly any luck on the night.
He told O Jogo that Celtic’s best player, Wanyama, plays in front of the defence, and that this is the main reason why Benfica should play down the wings.
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Thanks a bunch, Craig Brown. The only consolation is that Paw Broon clearly has no idea whatsoever how to beat Celtic, so any advice from him to Benfica will probably only serve to help us.
“I like Samaras a lot. He looks like a proper athlete and is a pretty dangerous player. If we are to go far in Europe, he needs to play well.”
– Snoop Dogg
On the button with that one, but at this stage Snoop’s views on lateral movement and the HSE regulations are not known.
I would go with;
Forster
Lustig Wilson Ambrose Matthews
Brown Wanyama Ledley Mulgrew
Samaras
Watt
I’m a big fan of commons but he picked up a knock (?) also who knows if Brown will be fit