Apologies to all who, like me, tired of the circular ‘songs debate’ on CQN many years ago. Back in 2011, when Celtic had a similar action from Uefa to defend as they now face, I predicted a slow train wreck:
“The Debating societies will be exercised on the freedom of some to sing racially-hostile God Save the Queen, or the militaristic, Flower of Scotland, and wait for the reaction to what is euphemistically known as ‘the marching season’. In this vein I would encourage the Celtic delegation who meet Uefa next month read aloud a transcript of La Marseillaise, which becomes a logical target if Uefa prosecute our club.
“I predict Uefa and the SPL will reprimand Celtic with a cease and desist-type warning which will include specific instructions to remove and ban ‘offenders’. Efforts will be made to prosecute ‘offenders’, which I expect will fail, but not before a few individuals are brought before the court.
“Neil Lennon, Jock Stein and since Fergus McCann, the club, have asked fans not to sing political songs. Many agreed but some will not waver, so it would be an act of vanity for lesser mortals to suggest restraint. The slow train-wreck will happen.”
A few weeks later I wrote:
“Singing Flower of Scotland will (correctly) never be criminalised but you can expect charges to be brought for expressing similar sentiment. Legally, this sounds like a reach by the SNP government, but it’s likely to be a few young football fans who carry the responsibility of establishing how the judiciary view this matter.
“While Celtic will never condone IRA chanting (or, apparently, try to mitigate it as inconsequential, as others did before them with illegal and prejudicial chanting) they have a responsibility to ensure positive parts of our Irish tradition, including the national anthem, the flag and other symbols of the club’s rich and diverse culture are defended.”
Since then:
Uefa and the SPL have reprimanded Celtic.
Efforts have been made to prosecute ‘offenders’, which mostly fail.
Despite pleas from Neil Lennon, or earlier from Jock Stein, some insist on signing political songs. As Jock and Neil were ignored it remains an act of vanity for lesser mortals to try to convince others to desist.
Charges have been brought for expressing sentiment similar to that in Flower of Scotland.
Celtic have not, should not and cannot try to mitigate IRA chanting or banners as inconsequential. It is not inconsequential, Jock Stein knew it a long time before the SNP government. Fill your boots on debating why it has consequences below, it’s a huge intellectual topic, you’ll enjoy it, then you’ll get bored of it and move on.
If you want the opportunity to have a Debating Society on this, there is space on the comments section, knock yourself out. I’ve been through the songs debate often enough to know some of our community feel it is incumbent upon them to sing IRA songs at football games. Pointing out the words of Jock Stein, or the inevitable conclusion to this singing, or how things have developed in Ireland, will not change this perspective.
That’s the thing about slow train wrecks, nothing can stop them. It’s more productive to plan on how to deal with the aftermath.
Congratulations to the Bucketeers who raised over £26k for the costs of mounting an appropriate legal defence to the Dam Square five. This is a stunning amount of money raised, which demonstrates the strength of feeling among the support.
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And he can be heard to great effect on
‘A punctured St Etienne bicycle
on a hillside desolate
Will nature make a man of me yet?’
Summa you don’t know that forsure. That Celtic team hammered rapid could have been five , it would have been interesdting if we got to thst final. I would happily take another euro final instead of a CL last sixteen. Seville was a highlight of my life and I thinkm I have had some fun.If it happened again I would be there in a mo ticket or no.
abmucker
11:51 on29 November, 2013
Back with a bang bud.
Please post more often. Always a good read.
HH
Rubbing it in .
Heard Allegri on the radio earlier/ wee preview re Sunday’s game away re bottom of the table Catania —
” It will be a very difficult.game . We will not get the time and space we got at Celtic”
Cold and damp , way down south . I hate winter
The huns last night.
Dearie me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoNL1ZpJnxw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiFx7P1SzrQ
The Movie: The Enigma Of Frank Ryan
Winning Captain.
How long does it take for the Magazine to Arrive,still waiting on mine,I don’t get a mail delivery until 3.00pm today so it may arrive yet.
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For Years on here l have seen People say..
I will Never be Back.. Bla Bla Bla..
I will Never go to Ibrox..Bla Bla Bla..
Can’t see Me renewing Next Year..Bla Bla Bla..Etc Etc..
Each time l have thought..WHAT..?
For the First time in My Life l feel Like Chucking Celtic for Good..
..
What have We Become..?????????
Disillusioned.com
oldtim67
Assume you mean the Annual? We post straight away and should be with you in 3 to 4 days. If you have been waiting a little longer than this please let me know and we will send out a substitute. My email is david@CQNMagazine.com
Awe Naw,
Hail Hail Mucker.
Hope you’re keeping well.
Been a busy bhoy up here in Aberdeen but I’ll jump back in when I have time mucker.
Mucker
The “Love Me: Templar” EP was a classic
Simple question I gave my self, would I deal with some one who lied to me, and broke there trust? My season ticket money seams to be paying fines these days for idiots who will not obey the EUFA rules, am I happy about that? Wheel out all your what abouteries, martyrs, pira, thatcher, SPFL, Doncaster, SFA, Alex Salmon, SNP, Polis, Peter Lawwell, Celtic PLC, grey brigade, WE got done, and are up on a rule breaking charge of the competition we are in, WE the punters WILL pay the fine, the GB? Well they get what they wanted the publicity, end off, and bottom line, we’re the suckers.
“The Enigma Of Frank Ryan” Clash at Bodenstown
Summa
Stay strong we need guys like you. Its easy for me to take the strop but if I was living in Scotland I would be by Morrisey23rds side. We are Celtic and our youthful support is something to be proud of. They excel. They are magnifcent. They impress me more than billionaire rhetoric. I can only really attempt to influence from afar. So dont get me wrong.
HH
When you’re no’ ready to surrender
Forget about who’s right
When you’re ready to remember
It’s another world at night
Templar
The benediction of the neon light
Templar
Templar is the hunter
Templar is the knight
Classic stuff.
OLDTIM67
Replied,bud.
Get that Aberlour 10yo for a score while you can. You know it makes sense!
Abmucker
Good to hear.
Are you nursing up in Aberdeen ?
HH
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OldTim..
Mail (FB) Long version..
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Summa of Sammi @ 12.11
Ironically, “chucking it” is the one real piece of action that would force the board to take notice of the growing level of disenchantment within the support. They reduced this season’s ST price because thousands told them in their survey that they were intending to “chuck it”.
Holding onto our green pounds or euros is really the only real weapon at our disposal. Banners (no matter how imaginative) don’t really change anything.
M6BHOY
While I know what you mean,chucking it simply isnae an option for most of us on here.
I realise that this plays into AWE NAW’s “bend over and take it” routine,and I canny really argue with that.
Protest is probably the only avenue available,and that is becoming more difficult by the day.
m6bhoy
12:23 on29 November, 2013
An away boycott would be the first place to start. Just to send a message that it can be done.
HH
Hearts = CVA = Exit administration = Keep History
Rangers = No CVA = Exit administration = Keep History
All the media poodles are very very quiet today I wonder why.
BBC Scotland has headline Hearts exit administration but months back they wrote Rangers exit administration.
Not to worry boys n Girls they are good at making t*** of themselves.
A lot of the focus in the last few days debate has been on the rights or wrongs of the message the GB have been communicating. For me the issue isn’t really about that. Most of my mates come from the same cultural background as me and (to put it mildly) have sympathy with the GBs messages. The issue the club have is that UEFA rules have been broken and they need to be seen to deal with that. In a regular SPFL match I don’t think this would be an issue as either there is no rule currently about displaying political banners or, if there is, it is not enforced.
Can anyone confirm if this is correct?
natknow – supporting wee oscar
I think it can now fall under the phoney outrage bill
HH
What we don’t need….is a Celtic board who are ready to jump on their own supporters, because of some hun journos venting their spleen….I wish they would man up ffs
Why are the board so terrified of these hacks….they are eejits who can hardly string a sentence.
and on that GB banner…..sorely disappointed
Was there any need to offend the whole world…putting Mel Gibson on that banner, outrageous:)
HH
AWE NAW
The bill for phoney outrage is too high for my tastes.
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo
12:32 on 29 November, 2013
natknow – supporting wee oscar
I think it can now fall under the phoney outrage bill
HH
Yes – I think you’re right – it could….but only if the police determine it to be “offensive”. I think they would have difficulty in arguing that successfully in court.
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M6Bhoy..
l don’t believe We have Conversed before..
But you could Not be more Off with my Post..
I Am Disillusioned with the Fans..at games and on Here..
Stabbing My Team in the Back or Tripping them up Lets say..
I Don’t hate Rangers..I Support Celtic..
I Don’t Hate Ireland..I Love Scotland..
I Don’t hate..
If l thought ANYONE at Celtic PLC was Not doing enough for My Celtic l would suggest a better way for them to Go about it..
Not say l will never be back Bla Bla Bla..
or
Be the Spoilt Child..
Summa
summa of sammi….
12:11 on 29 November, 2013
The disillusion is, that the huns are on their way back, no matter how uncomfortable it feels, they will lie, steal, beg and borrow and get there.
Some think we are holding a war chest for when the time comes…me I just think we throw money down the stank on supposed potential, that, with most recent buys has been at the least disappointing.
It’s time the board look at the big picture and give us what we desire, players that when you spend that little bit extra, walk into the first team…no more gambling.
I want to go to the game and when our mid or forwards receive the all telling pass, I’m off my seat expecting atleast a chance at goal.
Sadly, that is what is missing at the moment…entertainment.HH
Afternoon all.
The ‘banner’ displayed by the GB on Tuesday pales into insignificance when compared to some that appear most weekends at Serie A matches here in Italy, which are often highly political and downright racist.
BMCUW
Will mail you soon buddy – still trying to catch up.
HH!!
Tallybhoy
12:36 on
29 November, 2013
The difference being they are revealed at Seria A matches and Tuesday’s was a UEFA match. Perhaps Seria A don’t explicitly state no politics in the same way as UEFA.
Summa
I hate the SFA and UEFA and their pretence to operate fairly and legitimately and feel sorry for anyone who is being short changed because of it.
HH
SIPSINI
For the first time in a long time,we have a defence which we can trust.
We don’t have to worry too much about being hit on the break if we lose possession by trying the unexpected,being adventurous,looking to unlock the defence.
We have room to manoeuvre in that respect. Take off the shackles. Let the players play.
And then the people will sing. The crowd want to be excited,and they want to show their appreciation.
Without one,there cannot be an expectation of the other.
BRING BACK THE GLASGOW CELTIC WAY.
That’s a message to you,Roddy,btw,as much as it is to Neil Lennon.
Perhaps while eating a black snake Diamond roll, WG?
TALLYBHOY.
Take yer time,bud. No rush.
You have a lot on yer plate,so I can wait.
Crimbo in Scotland izzit? Ya madman.
Remember the trees at fortyfive degrees!
Summa in synch
Celtic
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new article posted.
Personally…I think its sad when people are offended by the truth
There is no doubt that Scoddland is a bitter wee country…..John Knox would be proud
Its ok to be a Nationalist…..as long as you are a Scoddish Nationalist, but Irish…er well, that’s a different story isn’t it.
I think its a good thing to be honest, but to deny the truth is despicable imo
There is hypocrisy at work on a massive scale…..Bigot Fest at ipox is fine….tell the truth on a banner….all hell breaks loose.
No need for it at all….Leave the GB alone
HH