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The sectarian crime stats they forgot to destroy

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I’ve just caught Joe O’Rourke’s article on the Association site about the long-awaited released of statistics on sectarian crime in Scotland.  Joe suggests that the data from 2003 – 2010 was has been destroyed by the Crown Office.  I also hear that the Scottish Government will release entirely irrelevant ‘information’ today, specifically, where offences took place, not which groups were responsible or which groups were targeted by the offenders.

It takes a lot of effort to make sure you destroy data these days, you need to ensure not only that prosecutors permanently delete backups (which I really doubt they do) but also that the police similarly comply.

Fortunately all is not lost.  While it’s just about believable that regional police forces across Scotland and the Crown Office have acted in symmetry on this issue, I could have helped the First Minister, Alex Salmond’s, search for clarity by pointing him in the direction of British Transport Police (BTP).  The Transport Police are a separate force who operate across Britain and are run by the Home Office in London.  They are also a lot less proficient at destroying data.

They previously gave me detailed statistics on all incidents they record in connection with Scottish football for season 2007-08.  One of the most pleasing aspects of the information is the complete eradication of sectarian offences from all but one Scottish club, so the First Minister will be delighted to learn he has a smaller problem on his hands than he perhaps knew.  According to BTP, 11 arrests were made for sectarian offences in total, 10 Rangers fans and one Northern Ireland fan.

You can see the detail figures for all recorded incidents here (the majority of which are for non-sectarian issues).  From a total of 99 incidents (not all of which resulted in arrest), there were six involving Celtic fans, six for Dundee United, seven for Motherwell, four for Hibernian and five each for Aberdeen and Hearts.  Rangers fans were involved in a total of 48 incidents.

The BPT figures also make it clear that most incidents occur when fans travel to away venues.  The Force also confirmed that incidents surrounding the 2008 Uefa Cup final in Manchester were not included in these statistics.

To further aid Mr Salmond in his search for clarity on this issue, he can contact British Transport Police with a Freedom of Information request here, where they will be able to provide him (or you) with up to date stats.

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  1. celtic40me on

    Bournesouprecipe

     

     

    Make no mistake, this was Lenny’s doing, on something as fundamentally important to Lenny as this he wouldnt have been pushed into being a clubs spokesperson. To take questions at a press conference says it all.

     

     

    I think you are underestimating the man.

     

     

    Hope you enjoy the game tomorrow, goodnight to you and all the other good tims

  7. Stringer Bell on

    One thing being consistently overlooked in this current malestrom is the Huns consistently chanted in support of the uvf, as recently asa last novemebr when they gave the army free tickets for their game at rugby park (possibly these tickets were in lieu of shoes that their taxes could have bought, I am not clear on the detail).

     

     

    If you the chance to watch the game again, you will be able to join in with a few choruses of here lies a soldier.

     

     

    Easy to forget this with the current madness going on.

  9. mickbhoy1888 on

    Bada Bing @ 00:08

     

     

    I suppose for some of us that have a Scottish heritage in the Celtic support

     

    that 90 minutes of chanting YOULL NEVER BEAT THE CELTIC will suffice also

  10. bankiebhoy1 on

    BSR,

     

     

    Ok,

     

     

    Regarding Dermot- Even given the most recent attack I’s guess he aint surprised at the extent of the hun incursion……………

     

    Although his absence will appeal to the less informed i’m sure he’s waiting till other societal issues have been proved to have been significant.

     

     

    HH mate.

  11. reilly1926 on

    petec says:

     

    19 November, 2011 at 00:34

     

    reilly1926 says:

     

    19 November, 2011 at 00:12

     

     

    Catching up, Did Neil give the interview to the Sun or Celticfc.net?

     

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    The Sun. It was commented on this very site that they were sitting on a story about NL, Stokes and Thompson being at a rebel night in Stokes’ Dad’s pub.

  12. bournesouprecipe on

    celtic40me

     

     

    Neil Lennon is a very clever individual, something that get’s lost in the general rising tide of the malevolent melee.

     

     

    MWD

     

     

    You underline a fundamental flaw in the hands off, running of the club which fans find objectionable.

     

     

    bjmac

     

     

    text me ;-) and God Bless every single Celtic fan in the world, especially the ones going up the motorway North in a few hours.

  14. Stringer Bell on

    Bournes

     

     

    Good luck finding a motorway to Inverness!

     

     

    Good night all.

     

     

    3 points tomorrow or the songs will be the least of our problems……..

  16. petec on

    reilly1926 says:

     

    19 November, 2011 at 00:49

     

     

    Neil is a man who thinks Fully about Making peace, even when the whole hatred is focused on him.

     

     

    I said last week that Paul67 is a True disciple of Brother Walfrid, Neil Lennon definitely is now.

     

     

    We Owe Neil Lennon so much, the Celtic Board OWE Neil so much. The Scum will want to make his position precarious at any opportunity they can.

     

     

    I have always been highly optimistic with my scores because I have always been sure Celtic under Neil would progress as much as it is SCIENTIFICALLY thought.

     

     

    Thought is oot the windae – Celtic to take ICT for 5 goals, with a red card for us and them.

  18. What is the Stars on

    For all you unrepentant fenian bast%%%s out there (and there seems to be a few) put your money on a horse called Dan Breen (3.20 Ascot tomorrow)

     

    I mean you just have to,here was a man who said in 2967

     

     

    “I remember an Englishman asking me in England, oh, about thirty years ago, is it true that we kept the pig in the kitchen. ‘No, we’d have him in the bedroom,’ I said. ‘If we didn’t,’ I said, ‘we couldn’t pay the rent to bastards like you.'”[2]

     

     

    and about the soloheadbeg ambush that started the war of indepndence

     

     

    “…we took the action deliberately, having thought over the matter and talked it over between us. Treacy had stated to me that the only way of starting a war was to kill someone, and we wanted to start a war, so we intended to kill some of the police whom we looked upon as the foremost and most important branch of the enemy forces … The only regret that we had following the ambush was that there were only two policemen in it, instead of the six we had expected…”[3]

     

     

    Warning,Backing this horse in Scotland may be illegal

  21. !!Bada Bing!! on

    mickybhoy- ditto my friend.I think because Irish seems to be the underlying theme of attack. hh

  23. KevJungle - Put the GREEN BRIGADE into a new JUNGLE on

    Hi CQNer’s.

     

    I have to say that….the most poignant points to be made re: The establishments siege of the Green Brigade have come from, Graeme Spiers on the Clyde phone-in on monday night where GS said that…

     

    “it is part of Celtic’s DNA that the Celtic support/Green Brigade should sing ‘these’ songs that, reflect the very reason as to why Celtic FC are here in the 1st place!” GS continued “they HAVE to sing these songs that, proudly identify the clubs origins!”mmmmmmm

     

     

    Then there was the Michael Kelly interview on STV for which I’m afraid, I don’t know how to do the link thing, where MK proudly fought the Celtic fans corner!

     

    Now, I never thought that I would ever say that but, Michael Kelly was a Celtic ‘Beacon’ on the telly that night! IMO!

     

     

    Hail! Hail!

  24. reilly1926 on

    petec says:

     

    19 November, 2011 at 00:58

     

     

    Totally agree.

     

     

    Get some money on the red card particularly for us..

  30. Twinbhoy on

    i bought a pair of Celtic FC slippers from the shop in Argyle St today – and they are warm and tidy!

     

     

    Hail Hail

  32. petec on

    reilly1926

     

     

    I already got on both side bookings spread betting.

     

     

    I would expect a higher “deserved” booking count for Celtic players this game = 1 booking, so as long as there is 3 of that lot cautioned the Win is assured.

     

     

    The biggest thing about Celtic this season is the lack of fouls, Barca have the same kind of foul count as Celtic.

     

     

    Thanks for reminding me for getting on the ref cert, I dinnae really know that market so will stick to the over goals market accumulator.

  36. KevJungle - Put the GREEN BRIGADE into a new JUNGLE on

    Neil Lennon, whom I as a Celtic fan of almost fifty years will say that….

     

     

    as a player of Celtic in MO’N’s era was an absolute collossus, as a manager I think that, NL has been marginalised by the PL/DD driven PLC/Balance-sheet era of CFC which has become so distanced from the fans that, we find ourselve’s having a stand-off with the police because, imo, the Celtic hierarchy are now doing to the fans what, they have done to a succession of Celtic managers over the recent period….they have hidden behind the couch instead of, taking the bull by the horns, the likes of which we would have to go away back to when, Desmond White was a statesman of ‘our’ club!

     

     

    Neil Francis Lennon is the type of Celtic manager, if successful, that would tip the lid off the can of worms that is Scottish football.

     

     

    The LL/media hate NFL!

     

     

    NFL is still learning the job but, I think when NFL has a full deck of cards to play with then, I can envisage NFL bringing to the Celtic fans many happy days!

     

     

    Hail! Hail!

  37. topkat on

    Timbhoy 0053……………………….Naka was a big big player for celtic,,,,,,sadly missed …………loved watching him and aiden…….nothing at present in the team would reach the same heights….gifted genuises

  41. Palacio67 on

    KevJungle – Put the GREEN BRIGADE into a new JUNGLE says:

     

    19 November, 2011 at 01:25

     

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    Quite agree, he is not getting the free role to manage and bring his own players in, but is doing thr job as best he can for his love of the club.

     

     

    HH

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