The SPL deadline for clubs to provide information on improper registration of players was six weeks ago today but the league has yet to report findings to clubs, while the chief executive rallies support to allow a Newco access to the league.
Time has expired on this policy of non-disclosure until it’s too late.
If the SPL chief executive ever tells us that Rangers fielded improperly registered players between 2000 and 2012, resulting in years of 3-0 defeats being awarded, there will be an enormous amount of anger, not only among supporters, but in boardrooms across the country, as they ponder money which was rightfully theirs but which went to Rangers – perhaps including Rangers prize money for finishing second this season.
We have made an attempt to quantify this money. Some of the losses were easier to calculate than others. For example, it was easy to calculate that when Rangers won the title in 2009 with improperly registered players, earning automatic qualification to the Champions League group stage, they denied Celtic £15m European earnings, plus £340k SPL prize money. Other losses are less clear, specifically when a club was denied a place in a qualifying round for the Champions League or Uefa Cup, which they may or may not have progressed from.
We have established three figures for each club in the SPL during the season just finished, to cover the period from 2000 to 2012:
Minimum loss:
The absolute minimum each club was denied from European and SPL prize money as a result of Rangers finishing above them with ineligible players.
Weighted loss:
The figure based on Scottish clubs gaining entry to Champions League/Europa League (Uefa Cup) group stages from 20% of their qualifying campaigns (which is slightly less than trend).
Maximum loss:
The maximum a club could have achieved if it qualified for the European group stage it was denied entry to.
Out estimates take no account of the subsequent effect money has on future years. For example, If Celtic earned an additional £15m from entering the Champions League group stage in 2009-10 their league challenge for that season would have been £15m stronger, and Rangers £15m weaker, potentially resulting in consequences in future years.
This multiplier effect would have benefited Celtic but it would be likely to have a greater effect on other clubs, some of whom would be denied the enormous percentage increase in budget automatic qualification to European group stages would have brought.
Hearts finished immediately behind Celtic and Rangers more often than any other club over the period and suffer the greatest potential losses, even more so than Celtic. Hibernian, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Motherwell also suffered significant losses.
Several clubs got nowhere near European football over the period, and some of the 11 spent only a few years in the SPL but each club lost over £1m.
Figures for each club are:
Hearts
Maximum: £72.3m
Weighted: £16.3m
Minimum: £6.2m
Celtic
Maximum: £46.7m
Weighted: £21.9m
Minimum: £17.4m
Hibernian
Maximum: £34.8m
Weighted: £8.4m
Minimum: £3.6m
Aberdeen
Maximum: £21.1m
Weighted: £5.5m
Minimum: £2.7m
Dundee United
Maximum: £20.8m
Weighted: £5.2m
Minimum: £2.4m
Motherwell
Maximum: £16.7m
Weighted: £4.4m
Minimum: £2.1m
Kilmarnock
Maximum: £5.1m
Weighted: £1.9m
Minimum: £1.3m
Dunfermline
Maximum: £3.4m
Weighted: £1.8m
Minimum: £1.5m
Inverness
Maximum: £1.3m
Weighted: £1.3m
Minimum: £1.3m
St Johnstone
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
St Mirren
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
In the event Rangers fielded ineligible players during the period under consideration, which everyone apart from Neil Doncaster knows, and even he will be unable to deny next week, we know the following:
Rangers received a minimum of £40.9m which should have gone to the 11 other clubs, assuming each club lost all their European group stage qualifying campaigns. This calculation does not include earnings from clubs now in the Scottish Football League, such as Hamilton Accies or Dundee.
If Scottish clubs progressed to the group stages of European competition on only 20% of their qualifying campaigns the loss would be £69.0m.
The figure for total potential losses if clubs successfully progressed to every European group stage is, as the figure for 100% failure, more illustrative than likely, but the maximum cost to the 11 SPL clubs is £224.6m.
Results will be changed, trophies can and will, be re-awarded, but these are the harsh financial consequences clubs, their lawyers and supporters, will consider when the facts are presented to them next week. The SPL executive has had six weeks to consider if there is sufficient evidence to commence disciplinary proceedings; they have failed to do so. They have failed you and every other football supporter in the land, while shamelessly pursuing an accommodation for the errant club BEFORE REVEALING THE FACTS TO YOU.
Time will be up soon, Mr Doncaster. You’ve had your chance but you have convinced no one. The people who really matter in this entire debacle are those who buy tickets for Celtic Park, Pittodrie, Easter Road, Tynecastle, Tannadice, Fir Park and the rest, they will hear the truth and read these figures. You have failed them.
You can read our calculations here. European income figures were sources from Uefa data.
Celtic’s disadvantage deepened when their winger John Doyle was sent off ten minutes into the second half for kicking the scorer, but there was an equaliser from Aitken, who was especially suited to a night of such fervour and force. Never bashful, Aitken was stimulated by the challenge of being in an outnumbered line-up.
From Celtic: A Biography in Nine Lives, by Kevin McCarra.
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So for all you just home from superb evening with p67 phil and paulmc
PPP as they like to be called
Any gossip for us internet bampots ??
Dec 2000, and not a peep of a criminal charge. I hope it’s true and more than just the huns are facing jail time.
kitalba
We all knows there’s no level to which they won’t and wouldn’t have stooped.
But a couple of things jumping out at me bearing in mind this was 12 years ago: listening devices, MI5 and paranoia.
Kitalba,
Cheers for the exclusive :-)
This would be the icing on the cake !!
HH
Fortunes Favour Mibbes
Mate, It was in the Sunday Mail.
M15, would they have needed to get involved if it were true, I don’t know.
jmbhoy67
That article is on both RTC and Kerrydale St. before I posted it here. The only difference is I did not copy and paste it I went to the source and copied and pasted theirs hence the differences.
Evening Celts, just a quick jump in and back oot again, as is my want.
And these teams that they shit on, as they try to change their world (Newco) .
Are immune to their Persuations as they try to change their ways CH CH CH changes the rangers need big changes, we’re all aware what their going through.
They are immune to what has happened and if there is no law, there will be no changes, will the rangers change? They’re NOW aware what they’re going through…..
Vmhan out
Thought I’d share my thoughts, ignore the spelling and I’m on a mobile.
One love CSC
just home…
sorry for keeping it off the blog…
great night…. nice to meet CQNers and future CQNers…
people feel so disappointed when they meet me and I am sober….
not as disappointed as I am though at being flippin sober…
kitalba on 19 May, 2012 at 01:08 said:
Cheers anyway!!
HH
Fortunes Favour Mibbes
Don’t forget what the Sun hacks got up to. If the Sun can do it then maybe the hun could learn too.
the_huddle on 19 May, 2012 at 00:46 said:
I cant believe that the BBC would break anything new to us, they just package up what we already know into a nice package for the masses to take in.
If the phone hacking is real then someone needs to release the evidence soon (now) it would be the end game.
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I think you’re absolutely right.4
Just saw a “trailer” there. The usual suspects, Scottish media perspective, and only referencing how this shouldn’t have happened to such a great instituion.
If you’re right, another shameless and disgraceful agenda ridden BBC trinket, reporting news that is up to a year old only because they had to.
Thank feck for Ch4. The closest thing to independent journalism in this country, although not totally independent….it also gets a share of the licence fee, so is subject to a pro rata control by the govt. The rest of course are Murdoch (or similar) owned. Happy days…..
Good wee night in Blantyre tonight listening to the three big guns of the new media.
To think that the two Pauls, (RTC and P67) both work full time for a living, what they have done in their spare time, as a hobby, on the side, without pay should shame the old media for an eternity. Their knowledge gained from hours of research is quite astounding.
Anyway, I set off from my old maw’s house with my Dad, brother and brother in law. Instantly I was put in mind of the same group of us setting out from the same place many years ago. We were going to a not dissimilar meeting. All those years ago it was a Celts For Change meeting, because an absolute giant of a football team was in dire straits, the thought of them not being around for ever was just something uncomprehensible.
Tonight the theme was the same but the contrast could not have been greater.
Why is it that Celtic fans have been at the forefront, flagging up warning signs from the off, years in advance on both occasions? What drives the huns to be so blinkered and steadfast in their refusal to show any real nouse in times of adversity? I think that is mental. Surely they must be as capable as us?
Apparently not.
It can only be a genetic thing. It must be!
I remember Celtic being in the mire, absolutely. We saw the writing on the wall years in advance. We came together and we overcame.
The same thing has happened to the huns, we saw the writing on the wall years in advance. They refused to believe us, we were just paranoid tims, clutching at straws, to be scorned and ridiculed at every opportunity. What a mistake that turned out to be.
Turns out we were right all along. Turns out the huns really are a breed apart.
Genetics, basically people who have evolved socially have drifted away from Rangers quite naturally, those who remain are genetically inferior, socially inadequate and incapable of saving themselves. Now the vultures have descended.
Stupid huns right enough, stupid socially inadequate, genetically inferior huns.
888th post?
Sweet as a nut. :)
That’s my Irish Lottery numbers sorted for tonight.
1,12,18,19 & 8 of course.
£1 Canadian.
monteblanco
Love that point about social evolution.
Those that have clinged on to that anti-evolution institution are indeed a breed apart.
Monteblanco..
it is easy to see where you. your bro and bro in law get the faith…
your dad is a great man…
monteblanco on 19 May, 2012 at 01:17 said:
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My old man popped round tonight (bearing a case of cider, good lad), first thing he said to me was ” those huns are blinkered so & so’s” and this is someone that isnt online and only gets bit’s and pieces.
It’s scary how blind they are, and they are walking straight over a cliff.
DBBIA, Dick Byrne, Johnny Clash and, especially, our New Zealand sausage Chef:-))
kitalba on 18 May, 2012 at 23:28 said:
The Official history of Celtic Football Club
Thanks big time a chara
Just finished watching this with the youngest boy
He’s 18 and plays Football both Gaelic and soccer,and was audibly wincing at the tackles Jinky got ,especially in the European games.
Btw the eldest boy eventually got sorted out with his back pay (about 75 per cent) and has just arrived in Karratha WA today to work on the mines so things are looking up for him. (just wish he would n’t phone home at bloody 6am every other day!) :-)
monteblanco on 19 May, 2012 at 01:17 said:
quite exceptional.
just checked in before departing for bed.
was there some sort of stone cutters forum in Lanarkshire tonight.
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i demand to know who attended, who commented, and who was not badge wearing.
tal.
keep it lit.
British telecom whits the craic?
I’d have liked to be there but…. Ye can’t have it all ….. Life is a bitch.
just how I feel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hHq-jlj6zQ
Vmhan on 19 May, 2012 at 01:42 said:
hope your ok bud, one for you –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXyBLnScuCU
vinny..
great night..god bless u bud…
stivs
nanananana…. o))
macanbheatha:
I’m glad you enjoyed it. I more glad that your boy got sorted. I used to work on the Pluto Project over in Karratha, only my desk was in Reading, England. There is plenty to keep him busy up there and there are a few other major projects underway that will last for years. Broome is not to far away for his R&R swings.
Funny, only yesterday my boss asked if I would go over there for a week to help out one of the bigger energy company’s here. If I go I’ll give you a shout.
night bhoys..
off to watch the nephew tomorrow keeping the faith and the dreams alive…
celtic bhoys playing at Falkirk tomorrow 2pm..better than watching edinburgh derby imo…
hail hail..
God Bless and look after oor wee Oscar…
not every uneducated huns cup of t,
but hey ho,
some latin, goodnight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR9Nit-3VDg
BT chucky
green brigade
thai tims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x4bRViYA-U&feature=related
kitalba on 19 May, 2012 at 01:46 said:
As generous as ever a chara
He was on the phone this morning to his Mum while waiting on his flight from Perth to Karratha and Feeling pretty cheesed off as he was there for about 7 hrs when all of a sudden he ended the call by stating “have to go Ma , just spotted some fellas wearing Celtic tops”
Needless to say this was a big reassurance for Lady Mac .
The Family’s everywhere!
monteblanco on 19 May, 2012 at 01:17 said:
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I wasn’t at the CFC meeting in Blantyre although I’m a native from those fine parts. But, I did attend the SOC(Save Our Celts) meeting at the Shettleston halls which was chaired by, Lisbon Lion Jim Craig(I think?), Joe Beltrami, Brian Dempsey, James Farrell, Tom Grant and, Not The Vew editor Gerry Dunbar and, last but not least Willie Wilson who formed SOC. All this was before CFC was formed but, we were all on the one road!
That meeting gained national TV and MSM coverage and, curiously enough, the man who the then board where hiding behind, CEO Terry Cassiddy was, ahem, out of the country and left the instruction that no-one from the club had to comment about the meeting until he had returned ? Mmmmm.
Roll forward a year and guess who was at the next, SOC meeting….TC!
Those where bad days for the club.
Hopefully, tonights meeting will enlighten some happier times for us. :)))
Hail Hail
See this Craigy nobody knew ………..$hite
When the huvs accounts?/AGM(Dec) were due who questioned where are they?
Celtic internet bampots YES
Rangers board NO/ benefit of doubt if yes sacked
Press oh er dont ask us
Mark Hately No AGM is like a new player Jan
For anyone who missed it : Crimewatch parody.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxdJ3VdxNBY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
ok its a few years old but you get the idea
http://www.colombospace.com/Youtube/j4Lu98bsgrc
No to Newco
I have a certain beef about some posters stating that – TB was done out of a league flag because of hun-cheating ?
Any Celtic manager who, continually played the, hopelessley, ineffective Peter Grant in our mdfield….deserved ALL that he got! imo!
Grant’s best quality/trait imo was, his ability to ingratiate himself upon whichever manager he found to be in charge of him!
In other words…..an ass-licker.
Curiousley, the manager who didn’t, ahem, fancy Grant was one, Wim Jansen and, by coincidence …..look what prize’s he won for us!
I think, thanks to Wim’s time at our club, maybe the mind that isn’t, Celtic-Minded can bear most fruit!
Although, MO’N might be the exception to that rule ?
Margaret McGill on 19 May, 2012 at 02:48 said:
No to Newco
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I have no intention of crossing swords with you but, would you trust our leaders to vote against newco ?
Hail Hail