The SPL deadline for clubs to provide information on improper registration of players was six weeks ago today but the league has yet to report findings to clubs, while the chief executive rallies support to allow a Newco access to the league.
Time has expired on this policy of non-disclosure until it’s too late.
If the SPL chief executive ever tells us that Rangers fielded improperly registered players between 2000 and 2012, resulting in years of 3-0 defeats being awarded, there will be an enormous amount of anger, not only among supporters, but in boardrooms across the country, as they ponder money which was rightfully theirs but which went to Rangers – perhaps including Rangers prize money for finishing second this season.
We have made an attempt to quantify this money. Some of the losses were easier to calculate than others. For example, it was easy to calculate that when Rangers won the title in 2009 with improperly registered players, earning automatic qualification to the Champions League group stage, they denied Celtic £15m European earnings, plus £340k SPL prize money. Other losses are less clear, specifically when a club was denied a place in a qualifying round for the Champions League or Uefa Cup, which they may or may not have progressed from.
We have established three figures for each club in the SPL during the season just finished, to cover the period from 2000 to 2012:
Minimum loss:
The absolute minimum each club was denied from European and SPL prize money as a result of Rangers finishing above them with ineligible players.
Weighted loss:
The figure based on Scottish clubs gaining entry to Champions League/Europa League (Uefa Cup) group stages from 20% of their qualifying campaigns (which is slightly less than trend).
Maximum loss:
The maximum a club could have achieved if it qualified for the European group stage it was denied entry to.
Out estimates take no account of the subsequent effect money has on future years. For example, If Celtic earned an additional £15m from entering the Champions League group stage in 2009-10 their league challenge for that season would have been £15m stronger, and Rangers £15m weaker, potentially resulting in consequences in future years.
This multiplier effect would have benefited Celtic but it would be likely to have a greater effect on other clubs, some of whom would be denied the enormous percentage increase in budget automatic qualification to European group stages would have brought.
Hearts finished immediately behind Celtic and Rangers more often than any other club over the period and suffer the greatest potential losses, even more so than Celtic. Hibernian, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Motherwell also suffered significant losses.
Several clubs got nowhere near European football over the period, and some of the 11 spent only a few years in the SPL but each club lost over £1m.
Figures for each club are:
Hearts
Maximum: £72.3m
Weighted: £16.3m
Minimum: £6.2m
Celtic
Maximum: £46.7m
Weighted: £21.9m
Minimum: £17.4m
Hibernian
Maximum: £34.8m
Weighted: £8.4m
Minimum: £3.6m
Aberdeen
Maximum: £21.1m
Weighted: £5.5m
Minimum: £2.7m
Dundee United
Maximum: £20.8m
Weighted: £5.2m
Minimum: £2.4m
Motherwell
Maximum: £16.7m
Weighted: £4.4m
Minimum: £2.1m
Kilmarnock
Maximum: £5.1m
Weighted: £1.9m
Minimum: £1.3m
Dunfermline
Maximum: £3.4m
Weighted: £1.8m
Minimum: £1.5m
Inverness
Maximum: £1.3m
Weighted: £1.3m
Minimum: £1.3m
St Johnstone
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
St Mirren
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
In the event Rangers fielded ineligible players during the period under consideration, which everyone apart from Neil Doncaster knows, and even he will be unable to deny next week, we know the following:
Rangers received a minimum of £40.9m which should have gone to the 11 other clubs, assuming each club lost all their European group stage qualifying campaigns. This calculation does not include earnings from clubs now in the Scottish Football League, such as Hamilton Accies or Dundee.
If Scottish clubs progressed to the group stages of European competition on only 20% of their qualifying campaigns the loss would be £69.0m.
The figure for total potential losses if clubs successfully progressed to every European group stage is, as the figure for 100% failure, more illustrative than likely, but the maximum cost to the 11 SPL clubs is £224.6m.
Results will be changed, trophies can and will, be re-awarded, but these are the harsh financial consequences clubs, their lawyers and supporters, will consider when the facts are presented to them next week. The SPL executive has had six weeks to consider if there is sufficient evidence to commence disciplinary proceedings; they have failed to do so. They have failed you and every other football supporter in the land, while shamelessly pursuing an accommodation for the errant club BEFORE REVEALING THE FACTS TO YOU.
Time will be up soon, Mr Doncaster. You’ve had your chance but you have convinced no one. The people who really matter in this entire debacle are those who buy tickets for Celtic Park, Pittodrie, Easter Road, Tynecastle, Tannadice, Fir Park and the rest, they will hear the truth and read these figures. You have failed them.
You can read our calculations here. European income figures were sources from Uefa data.
Celtic’s disadvantage deepened when their winger John Doyle was sent off ten minutes into the second half for kicking the scorer, but there was an equaliser from Aitken, who was especially suited to a night of such fervour and force. Never bashful, Aitken was stimulated by the challenge of being in an outnumbered line-up.
From Celtic: A Biography in Nine Lives, by Kevin McCarra.
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Jock stein manager of both
Yeh. Celtic Vids :))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVySshfDeI4&feature=related
Kitalba
Great minds think alike
Art of War on 18 May, 2012 at 23:27 said:
31003 – they are actually quite good. Enjoy!
HH
Too true…….dain mrs threesy’s heed in…….not only enjoying a smoke….but dain it indoors…….doacter actually says they’re GOOD fur ye……that’s whit a keep tellin her…..dain her nut in….smashing…..
Kitalba
Just beat me mate
C’mon the hibees
First time I have looked at that video but I heard about it.
What can you say?
We should do anything in our power to keep the fabric of Scottish society
alive, WE need them.
Er, no we don’t.
If you need that then there is something wrong with you.
Financially – Cheats
Socially – Embarassing & thuggish behaviour, consistently.
History – Disgusting Bigotry & Cheating, how long?
Economically – Read the post.
These peepul are representatives of Scotland when they travel abroad but
hopefully they will not be travelling abroad anytime soon.
WE NEED THEM. THINK ABOUT THAT. WE NEED THEM.
DOES ANYBODY NEED THAT.
I WOULD NOT WISH THE HUNS ON THE HUNS
SAY SORRY! IT WOULD BE A START!
Sorry for shouting.
Fortunes Favour Mibbes said:
where the Midfield Maestro these days?? Last I heard a couple of months ago on here he was in Australia?
FFM – He’s just posted on here that he now lives in Newton Mearns. Do try to keep up.
:-)
Saint Stivs on 18 May, 2012 at 23:29 said:
1. Ronnie Simpson (brilliant catch who posted that)
2. (no sneddon)
3.
4, Pat Stanton
5. Mike Conroy
6. Jackie McNamara (would loved to be on the left wing, but better defender)
7. Willie Groves (won a medal with hibs and celtic ?)
8. Bertie Auld (sorry Scoot Scott Broon.)
9. Joe McBride.
10. Sandy McMahon (171 goals in 217 games for Celtic)
11, John Collins.
George m’cluskey has to make Celtic/ his team
FFM
only hassle ive ever had at a CFC game abroad was in Barca ….just after the Huns had visited
beyond that been in Germany, Holland,France,Spain,Portugal ,Italy& Belgium …never a problem
in Belguim we did get propositioned by the hooligans ..we had strayed into an Ultra`s bar by mistake ….steaming …thankfully they realised we were just drunken eejits and left us alone
Got to be Didier at no2?
Magnificentseven
Aye, I’ve had a lot of contact in the past couple of years with folks from all over Europe. Very very few of them needed to be educated on the what goes on here in Scotland – their awareness actually surprised me. The huns died in Europe even before their Manchester riots. Their death will be mourned by no one except themselves (and er…Neil Doncaster…), and that’s possibly the worst punishment you could wish on anyone ;)
PFayr at 23:28: “btw ..spoke to the wee man yesterday had a good natter about the foe malign …on good form
Excellent. You’re doing better than me. Apparently he’s a bit upset I didn’t send him a Candygram for his birthday.
Some people.
Kenny Miller
Ill get my jacket
The Huns want to connect with the Middle East. For God’s sake has that region not suffered enough.
Árd Macha
Gary Caldwell captained both
Kroos means crusty, not that cool :O)
I watched Bayern in a league game a few months back, and they were mince (still won 2 nil though, late goals). Great stadium though looks a lot smaller inside than you think, amazing outside with the changing colours.
I don’t really rate them as a team, can’t believe they beat Madrid but hope they beat stuff Chelsea.
I just watched that video again of the huns throwing that poor guy in the fountain. A despicable act of bullying!
Then i started reading the comments below, and it is apparent there is a video of a guy who was thrown in a fountain, allegedly by Celtic fans 4 years earlier…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTSmN6Xesa8
All the huns are commenting below their video, “aye hypocrite bassas sure yous done it first bla bla bla” but….
a) the video doesnt actually show the guy being thrown in the fountain, so he may not have been thrown in by a Celtic fan…
however,
b) he might well have been thrown in by a celtic fan, but the guy who uploaded it says in his description of the video “Video of a wee Portugese guy flung in the fountain at Rossio square – to cool off!” Now, i think it is fair to say that it is entirely possible that this guy was getting a bit rowdy, possibly a bit of a slabber, trying to start a fight or whatever, (hence the to cool off comment) and someone just lifted him and chucked him in before he ended up getting a digging!. Also, the behaviours of the fans are completely different in the two videos. The rangers fans are absolutely loving this torture of an innocent man quietly going about his business. The celtic fans in the other video are not getting involved, kinda turning their backs on the guy.
What do yous reckon? (i thought it was only fair to point the other one out)
Knoxy
Tom,
the real MM would NOT live in Newton Mearns….would he?
Discuss. 2000 words. Hand in by midnight.
Caldwell before Yogi Hughes or Mike Conroy.
decisions
Bedtime….but before I go……tell me I’m not the only person who feels patriotic in a Celtic kind of way…….you know what I mean…..when Celtic’s mentioned your chest puffs out and your SO proud to be part of it all……that’s what ahm talkin bout……..
St Stivs
No doubt about it I’m afraid…Caldwell miles ahead of both much to many CQNers annoyance
When you look into Hibs’ history, you have to love them. At least for the first bit.
It says on that there Wiki that when Hibs first formed, an official statement from the SFA said: “We are catering for Scotsmen, not Irishmen .”
The SFA, the racist gift that keeps on giving.
Yes, the club was formed as part of the activities of the a Catholic Young Men’s Society at St Pat’s in the Cowgate, and yes you had to have been to Mass the previous Sunday to get a game, but the official history says that the friendlies the early team played were to benefit everyone. And it quotes the club’s first captain, Michael Whelahan, as saying that neither race nor religion came into it when helping worthy causes.
All these folk getting their underwear in a twist about how sectarian Hibs were (in the face of such a welcome as “We are catering for Scotsmen, not Irishmen”) need to get over themselves. Come on the Hibees. Make Canon Hannan proud.
knoxy
All about context.. First thoughts are, how did he actually get there? Why is no one helping him to get out….ie, has this been filmed after some tried to help him out.
Given the way our supporters behave, I see no reason to be concerned about this clip, which is very different from the one earlier which presented a totally different scenario. We aren’t perfect yet, but we’re a hell of a lot closer than most :))
HH Amigo. My best to Oscar.
knoxy
GO Compare!
GO Compare!
Hi Jinks with a numpty?
Torturing a poor unfortunate for your pleasure? While filming and abusing?
Saint Stivs on 18 May, 2012 at 23:29 said:
1. Ronnie Simpson (brilliant catch who posted that)
2. Agathe
3.
4, Pat Stanton
5. Caldwell (sorry saint stivs pupil Mike Conroy)
6. Jackie McNamara (would loved to be on the left wing, but better defender)
7. Willie Groves (won a medal with hibs and celtic ?)
8. Bertie Auld (sorry Scoot Scott Broon.)
9. Joe McBride.
10. Sandy McMahon (171 goals in 217 games for Celtic)
11, John Collins.
Hope the sauce overpowers the salt!
I hate salt!
CF
quite so
Tom McL
Battery died there, not mine, phone’s.
Hope to stop by your doorstep next year. 25yrs married & Mrs M wants to tour the planet for 6 weeks, i will keep her company of course. You are on my itinery (spellcheck…wine).
The bhoy missed out on 1 job for Antartica, but still in for another. Good to hear your bhoy doing well.
Keep in touch, not a stalker, just a friendCSC.
Hx2
St stivs
I still think wee Murdo who won 5 league titles 2 scottish cups and a league cup with Celtic and a league cup with Hibs.
Also agree if a better full back or whatever they call them now than Agathe i must have missed him.
Though he only played something like 7 games for hibs when we stole hm for 50,000…
Celtic_First
Haven’t read the blog the last 2 days…who’s accusing Hibs of being sectarian? Doh, hang on…can I safely assume that this is coming from elsewhere as part of tomorrow’s build up, where the “glorious hearts” face that evil sectarian IRA loving club Hibs in a cup final? Aye, Scottish cultyer as dictated by the intellectual heavyweight Dawyll King etc :)
Saint Stivs on 18 May, 2012 at 23:29 said:
1. Ronnie Simpson (brilliant catch who posted that)
2. Agathe
3. Scott Brown (just cos i think he desreves it)
4, Pat Stanton
5. Caldwell (sorry saint stivs pupil Mike Conroy)
6. Jackie McNamara (would loved to be on the left wing, but better defender)
7. Willie Groves (won a medal with hibs and celtic ?)
8. Bertie Auld (sorry Scoot Scott Broon.)
9. Joe McBride.
10. Sandy McMahon (171 goals in 217 games for Celtic)
11, John Collins.
Canon Hannan and the work by Aloysius O’Kelly that only “came to light” in this century. Oh yes.
the_huddle on 18 May, 2012 at 23:19 said:
You can get 4/1 for Chelsea in 90 mins on Betfair. It is brilliant for betting on singles. Only downside it you cant do accumulators.
Worth setting up an account if you do occassional singles including football, horses, golf etc. The odds are much better than what you’ll find in the bookies (generally)
Personally i like the 5/1 on offer for Mario Gomez for 1st goal
Knoxy
Snake Plissken:
Aye :-)
A Song for Ireland & Scotland
FFM –
Paul McStay is well and truly settled in the Sydney area now with his family.
I saw him on Aussie TV as a studio analyst for the League Cup Final and he was looking fit and well.
Ok,
Don’t know how often this one’s been posted here (only once I recall, which is shameful !!) , but after the “hunners” to grace Youtube in the past year, it ranks as the funniest imo.
Explaining debt to a hun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8x_59EjZOs
knoxy2000 eating Jelly and Ice Cream and supporting Neil Lennon on 18 May, 2012 at 23:50 said:
the_huddle on 18 May, 2012 at 23:19 said:
You can get 4/1 for Chelsea in 90 mins on Betfair. It is brilliant for betting on singles. Only downside it you cant do accumulators.
Worth setting up an account if you do occassional singles including football, horses, golf etc. The odds are much better than what you’ll find in the bookies (generally)
Personally i like the 5/1 on offer for Mario Gomez for 1st goal
Knoxy
Yes, you can do multiples on Betfair, been available for years.