I couldn’t watch. Instead, I caught up on Ozark. Later, convinced things were not working out as expected, I called it a night and was brushing my teeth when the first text arrived, “Beautiful”. Did it mean what I hoped it did?
All the downstairs lights were out but within seconds there was a loud and determined hammering on the front door. I knew what news that house-shaking noise heralded, someone was here to share a moment. And what a moment. What was at stake last night was nothing short of bragging rights for the rest of your life. The. Rest. Of. Your. Life!
An avalanche of red, white and blue tat was a mouse click away from being launched last night. An ocean of novelty items, neckties, mugs, watches and so many clothing lines, forever claiming the year 2022, were about to flood online shopping baskets and would forever catch your eye on the streets of Glasgow and towns thousands of miles away.
Throw them all in the sea! Nobody wants them.
An entire industry was stopped in its tracks when Eintracht Frankfurt completed that most German of achievements and won the penalty shootout in Seville. Had Newco won, their players would be celebrated for the remainder of their lives – and at their passing. You would never escape references to this game, it would follow you without end.
In reaching the final, Newco’s achievement, just 10 years after the liquidation of Oldco, was impressive. Well done to a manager and squad that surely reached a peak even their dads would never have through possible. To lose 5-4 on penalties, is especially cruel. Fans who endured so much and have yet to see their team lift a trophy in person (do we count the Petrofac Cup win over Peterhead?), were denied a lifelong affirmative memory. They know that was their chance, it will never come again.
The cost of Aaron Ramsey’s penalty miss excluding commercial and broadcast revenues? €4m additional prize money for the winners and a minimum of €5.2m for participating in the Uefa Super Cup game. Automatic Champions League qualification would bring in revenue, some of which will displace income from group stage games in either the Europa or Conference Leagues, one of which Newco will qualify for. This will be in the region of €15m to €20m.
If Newco successfully earn one of the two Champions League non-champion group stage places, the damage is limited to €9.2m, if they fail to reach the CL group stage, the cost will be in the €25m – €30m region. Aaron should have practised more.
Ramsay’s penalty also saved Celtic from having to share (for the time being) Scotland’s CL TV pool money – so a budget spreadsheet at Celtic Park received an extra £3m last night. Which is nice.
The £100m losses gambled on getting a Champions League breakthrough almost paid off last night. But it didn’t, which is how gambling works!
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Tav Pen highest goals scored in the Europa League
They need to stop with this 100,000 fans in Seville. Nothing like it. But just HAS to be more than WE took, doesn’t it ?
Now turn the discussion around to all things Celtic.
We need to believe that the Europa and the Conference League tournaments are there to be won. To be won by Celtic. It needs to be the ambition and focus.
There are now two generations, and counting, of Celtic fans too young to remember Lisbon. The 11th best team in Germany has just won the Europa League and our relief is palpable.
I want to take my sons to a Euro final and see us win it.
JD @ 1.16
If VR can get to a CL SF then we can do the same.
Another round of recruitment on a par with VW / MD / VVD and we are good to go.
We shouldn’t accept that it can’t be done — we should just work harder.
The fallout from last night’s match is unquantifiable, so many aspects to consider, most adequately covered above.
My thoughts go back to us and the end of Tom and Nir’s Celtic careers.
Ange has informed us that he had been talking to the players all season, re their futures and acknowledged that they were not shown the door.
At face value, I think most of us would have kept one or both for another season, especially with the CL on the table.
I see a parallel with the arrival of Rodgers to the club. He decided which players wouldn’t suit or could be adapted to his style. This spelt the end of Commons, Stokes and Sammi as Celtic players.
I think a similar discussion took place between Ange and Tom and Nir.
Their languid style, irrespective of their unquestionable ability, was inclined to slow the play.
He would have kept them, perhaps, but their game time would be limited. The boys probably realised this and is perhaps the reason why the departure is a bitter sweet experience.
The proof of this hypothesis will be the replacements and any noticeable difference in our transitions.
Great moments in life:
1. Being with my son when we did the invincible treble (cheers TR)
2. Watching the Dirty Dozen lose last night with same son.
Still laughing.
“Ramsay’s penalty also saved Celtic from having to share (for the time being) Scotland’s CL TV pool money – so a budget spreadsheet at Celtic Park received an extra £3m last night.”
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I don’t think the budget spreadsheet at Celtic Park received anything extra last night. Sevco’s elimination in CL qualifying would need to happen first, no?
HH
Not sure what the different ‘stages of grief’ are being experienced at the minute on follow follow …..there seems a real confusion.
Denial is probably still the most prominent.
GS left in 2014 because PL thought his wages were too high.
KC was frozen out for a year by BR because he was seen as a troublemaker in the squad.
AS was side-lined by RD in Aug 2015.
Over the last couple of months TR had looked a bit unsettled.
Big change to the “new” player we had earlier in the season.
Not sure if he wanted to be wanted and AP played it straight.
No matter sad to see him go — he gave us the best football years of his life and I hope he plays good football wherever he goes.
Call me Gerry
Hopefully PSV / Marseilles and perhaps rangers need to deal with their evolving squad will help with the CL issue for the Govan mob.
Burnley78
Indeed. Hopefully Sevco fail to negotiate the two qualifiers. But, they seem to be able to navigate through tough 2 leg ties (as evidenced this season).
Granted, their squad may look different next season. But even if they sell Kent, Aribo or whoever, these sales could easily occur towards the end of the transfer window, after the CL qualifiers. Same as when we kept our better players in the hope they helped us qualify for CL. Only to get knocked out. Then we sold Edouard, Christie, Dembele at the end of Aug.
In essence, what I’m saying is this…I will expect to be sharing the CL TV money with Sevco…until they are eliminated.
I think Paul is premature in saying we gained the extra £3m last night.
HH
When do the qualifiers start for the currant buns, por cierto
Brutal reality.
Por cierto
They will play a qualifier each midweek in August.
Grand Day To Be A Tim – Again
The £100m losses gambled on getting a Champions League breakthrough almost paid off last night. But it didn’t, which is how gambling works!
Indeed, although as has been pointed out the £3M in the Celtic spreadsheet and the gamble for UCL football can’t be discounted just yet.
The Rangers are in the UCL qualifiers.
After we lost in Saville it was the end of an era, we handed the reigns over to a highly efficient qualified accountant with a great reputation for cost cutting and debt reduction.
I don’t think The Rangers will do this, it’s not in their nature but if they did they could pay down their debt in five years and have a large and growing cash surplus in ten, booming to a King’s ransome in fifteen.
Of course they’d never get even close to another European final but you can’t have your cake and eat it.
Hail Hail
A little piece of history right here, in an era when footballers earn half a million pounds a week. zoom in.
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Glasgow City Archives
@GC_Archives
We hold many #SportArchives including this poor relief application for Willie Groves – the first £100 football player.
Groves was born in the Gorbals and played for
@HibernianFC
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@CelticFC
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@WBA
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@AVFCOfficial
. Ill health caused him to apply for relief in 1903.
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PAUL 67
What was at stake last night was nothing short of bragging rights for the rest of your life. The. Rest. Of. Your. Life!
An avalanche of red, white and blue tat was a mouse click away from being launched last night. An ocean of novelty items, neckties, mugs, watches and so many clothing lines, forever claiming the year 2022, were about to flood online shopping baskets and would forever catch your eye on the streets of Glasgow and towns thousands of miles away.
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You are correct in what you write Paul – but surely the same was/is true of our ‘big cup’ triumph of 1967?
I think most of us were resigned for the hype & commercial activity that an Ibrox victory would have brought – we would have dealt with it. However the concerning aspect for me was the progression and prestige that a win would have bestowed on the ten year old Ibrox project.
The progression to the Super-Cup spectacle and thence to the prestige of Pot 1 in the Champions League draw extravaganza, with the realistic prospect of advantageous pairing and advancement to the knock-out stages.
The misses by Kent & Ramsey put paid to all of that – a massive opportunity lost for them and a new & uncomfortable situation for us to deal with, avoided.
Lessons must be learned – if the second-best in Scotland and the twelfth-best in Germany can reach the final of a major competition, why can’t we? Let’s start the ball-rolling with a good performance in the CL group, and thereafter make a ‘good fist’ of our, expected & probably eagerly anticipated, drop down into the EL – the bar has been raised now, whether we like to acknowledge it, or, not.
Reading about Tommy Mc Intyre and Darren O Dea about the young Bhoys playing in the Lowland league how it benefited some of them ,Hopefully it won’t be to long till Barrowfield gets upgraded as to go and see the young hoops playing there instead of the Ardrieonians excuse the (spelling)Stadium .
Haha! Who could be angry on a day like today?
On reflection, last night was even bigger than it felt when I went to bed.
The absolutely numbing hurt is a bonus.
Well that was just lovely wasn’t it?
Been a fine week of winning title, party celebrations and watching der hun sh*t the bed….
Looking forward to a nice little end of season rib tickling encore on Saturday but not that fussed really. Their 2 big gimmes of league and Europa (arrogant effs) have been wiped out.
Normally I’d expect them to be knackered but expecting meds at Murray Park to be up a few notches…
HH
CALL ME GERRY on 19TH MAY 2022 1:50 PM
“I think Paul is premature in saying we gained the extra £3m last night.”
Being the pedant that I am I read Paul’s comment that
“a budget spreadsheet” not “THE budget spreadsheet”
had been updated as I imagine there will be different planned budgets depending on various scenarios.
QB
AccuracyOverTactCSC
Paul67 et al
In yesterday’s Scotsman (the newspaper’s title, not its current readership) Murdo Fraser Con, MSP for Fife, (perhaps some on here know him personally), reported from Seville. According to him 2% of the total population of Scotland had arrived to support the new club. (ok ten years old) Now, either, arithmetic is not his thing, the population of ol Caledonia has declined to 1.5 mill, or he has discounted all stone age Scots, (and stoners too) from the Neolithic era, Iron Age Celts, Picts, Gaels, Romans, Anglo-Saxons and Vikings, not to mention those who have arrived, or in some case more accurately, returned, in more recent times. Which leaves, if I’ve got my demographics right, only Huns.
At the end of said article he posed the question…..’Have The Stars Aligned?’
Yes Murdo indeed they have! Eintracht win on penalties.
RuinsnotRunesCSC
Correct , Paul67 .
If you thought the English media was bad enough with their 1966 guff , it would have paled into insignificance compared to the ‘Rainjurrz’ guff the SMSM would have spouted forever more .
Chairbhoy,
Think you will find that we had to cut back drastically on our spending after Seville,not Saville,its another teams blogs that use that terminology.
CAREFUL NOW @ 1:12
“They need to stop with this 100,000 fans in Seville. Nothing like it. But just HAS to be more than WE took, doesn’t it ?”
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They had 20-25,000 in the stadium, and 10-12,000 tops in the fan zone. So where were the other 60-70,000? The 100,000 estimate is nonsense. Some articles now estimating it at 150,000! Pure fantasy.
Regarding the evolving physiques of the Huns – the pecs and biceps of Tavernier, Jack, Lundstrum, Kent, Kamara and others have quite obviously expanded, but what about Bassey? He was muscular when he arrived from Charlton. Now he is a musclebound monster who is as fast as a deer. Reminds me of the Scots sprinter Wells.
I too noticed how quiet the Orcs were. The close ups showed many of them sweating, with red faces and bloodshot eyes, looking the worse for wear, and standing or sitting silently. I took a peek at their media, and various reasons are being put forward for their silence. e,g. Prawn sandwich brigade, nerves, dehydration, heat, exhaustion, not real fans, lucky lottery ticket winners, never go to Ibrox, there just to say they were there.
Finally, as Auldheid points out on Sentinel Celts, they were a Kent bawhair from having their £100M gamble pay off. That’s how close they got.
Never mind what they might have,or what they can get,we have set in stone money to spend.Are we forgetting their finances?.They have best players on last year,who know they can do better.
Come the end of August we will see .Pie in the Sky was never any good to anyone.
TURKEYBHOY @ 3:08 PM,
Thank you for the correction, it is indeed Seville.
Yes, I was aware we had to cut back, can you remember why!?
We had been gambling on gaining entry into the FAPL, the old firm Clubs believed they had a chance of getting an invite to join this prestigious and wealthy league.
Of course we had to prove we were good enough, so we went into debt to procure a manager and team capable of competing in the FAPL, it almost paid off but it didn’t, which is how gambling works!
Have you heard the story about the man who asked a “lady” would she sleep with him for a million bucks?
It’s kinda like that, Celtic won’t gamble on European success or UCL qualification but they will gamble to make their executive even wealthier.
Thank you once again for the spelling correction, it’s not my strong point.
Hail Hail
Iniquitousiv
“Finally, as Auldheid points out on Sentinel Celts, they were a Kent bawhair from having their £100M gamble pay off. That’s how close they got.”
No criticism express or implied, but permit me to point this out for the umpteenth time today to many people – and not just on here.
Kent’s “goal” would – or at the very least should have been chalked off –
https://content.invisioncic.com/Mrangmedia/monthly_2022_05/FB_IMG_1652958567525.jpg.3b19c09f36d428b0686f79ca38925916.jpg
Also, MacGregor made a fingertip save in the first half which would have put EF a goal ahead when they were well on top.
Hoe much are we going to hear about that ?
ItsAGameOfInchesCSC
Strictly speaking their gamble was that they’d get the CL lolly at the same time as depriving us of any. For the gamble to make sense they would need to have a material advantage over us in terms of income, £100m to match us makes no sense at all.
It will not allow me to compress the link, probably as I ‘m not on twitter but this funny
https://mobile.twitter.com/cellic1888/status/1527265572316139520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1527265572316139520%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fchampions67.com%2F2022%2F05%2F19%2Fwhere-are-the-other-149995-all-5-of-them-sky-sports-tweet-rinsed-as-sevco-supporters-disown-their-heroes%2F
EINTRACHT THANKFURK! Great article btw. The main take away for us is that i agree with the author, that was no ordinary loss for them last night in the Europa. The consequences for Sevco are vast and entail:. 1. Loss of about 50 to 60 million pounds in prize and Champions League money. 2. Early start to season in the uncertain qualifiers 3. Inability to Garantie new signing the champions league carrot 4. The humiliation of Ramsay exposing their poor management decision to persevere with an expensive signing which will errode a lot of trust in GVB 5. The loss of all future incomes on 2022 legends pyjamas to keyrings and wallpaper 6. The loss of a host dof good players who won’t fancy the qualifiers and or another Europa campaign, while their values will be at an all time maximum due to the Europa final run 7. The uncertainty of GVBs incoming players and 8. They are running out of late 20s ‘play for peanuts play for the cause’ Huns who will swap the EPL to join the sons of Prince Andrew
yes there will be huge implications of their loss last night that we should discuss, too many to list. Also it didn’t escape my attention that UEFA put a Dutch national as the main official in charge of VAR last night. Frankfurt were denied a stone wall penalty from which didn’t need var from a mis-times Godson challenge and Lindstrum didn’t even get booked for a karate kick to the head of an opponent. UEFA work on narratives and for them the Rangers run was a romantic romp of a team from a wee league in Europe and by god how they supported that narrative with a Dutch var official who shares their managers nationality and a Referee from another smaller country briefed on the ‘wonderful’ narrative. Finally, i speak German and i watched Oliver Glasner’s post game interview in German and he’s said he personally And his team were ‘annoyed by Rangers high and long ball tactics’. As for Ramsay, he goes down as the most costly and worst transfer on Scottish football history. Have a great day. Hail Hail
Alan MacGregor has lost In a Euro final with Rainjurz and Sevco.
Flair, speed, anticipation and power are needed to overcome rainjurs. For the 96 or so minutes it takes. Never letting up, never stopping. Playing against a 12th man. Not every world side is up for this dog fight. We have no alternative, like Cain and Abel (we are Abel) we inhabit the same football house in Glasgow. We will not cower. We will stand up.
Paul is so right. For our entire life, we would never have heard the end of this. The Supercopa v Liverpool or Real Madrid, Oor Prince Wilhelm discovering he´s a Govanite and on and on and on ……………
However let´s keep our eyes on the prize. How CELTIC spend the CL income is what matters and what Paul alluded to at the end of yesterday´s article
“It’s all about the money, nothing else determines long-term outcomes.”
It´s also about how you spend the money and Celtic need to invest in players and the club´s infrastructure, including possible improvements in the stadium, if fans feel it is necessary. We should try to keep signings at around the 5 million to 7.5 million mark. We can´t dish out the money Palace paid for Edouard or Brentford for big Kris. Because 5 million pound signings can go horribly wrong, see Scheidt/Barkas. Kyogo at just under 5 million counterbalances this but we are standing still if one of the two is a dud. Angelos has picked up players at mickey mouse or should that be john greig sized fees. We can double what he has been paying out and still be around the five million mark moving up to 7.5 million if a special opportunity presents itself.
We have been in winning situations before, looking lazingly into the rear-view mirror and missing our opponents´ advances. The best thing is to never look back into the mirror but to push forward towards new horizons. 83,000 people watching Celtic in Australia, bring it on. The future is unwritten. Was it Joe Strummer/John Mellor who first said that? Love the expression.
Although sense and Huns…
bournesouprecipe
Was he there against Munich in Nuremberg in 67?
I couldn’t care less about Sevco players out of contract or whatever, I want this Celtic Board to add at least 4 quality players no ifs or buts 1 midfielder 1goalkeeper 1Centre Half 1 striker and other good additions would be welcome,Sevco fans will know how we felt by getting sold down the river by Messrs Desmond,Lawell and Lennon .
TThe Long Wait
Good photo there, however the way VAR was operated yesterday I wouldn’t be 100% sure it would be called. Last night’s VAR was strange to say the least