I’m not about to give you a character reference for Aleksandar Tonev, he may be prone to racist outburst, for all I know. Society, and therefore football, still has a racism problem, just read how coolly Luis Suarez played addressing an opponent as “negro”. The game has to react firmly when presented with racist banners, which regularly appear in Eastern Europe.
On the balance of probabilities, would a born-and-bred Scottish international be judged to have made a racist remark during a game against an opponent he doesn’t share a common tongue with?
If Kenny Miller was similarly accused and claimed to be misquoted, how would you feel? Scottish footballers just don’t have a history of this kind of remark; I’d be inclined to believe Miller. So, I expect, would Scottish football.
Tonev comes from one of those Eastern European countries. Scottish football acknowledged it had no evidence to act on but found him guilty.
Based in just as little evidence, could you please decide if Scottish football is guilty of racist generalisation in its handling of this matter? I know you don’t have enough evidence to come to a proper decision, but that’s the point.
Maybe if Aleks was at Ibrox on Tuesday making flute band gestures to TV cameras at halftime, the like of which Scottish Government minster Roseanna Cunningham once insisted was unacceptable and illegal, we’d all realise he didn’t mean any harm. Or was it just the Sign of the Cross, Ms Cunningham?
But Tonev’s not “one of us”, so who cares?
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What Diarra are we being linked with?
The Real Madrid one?
Cos he must be in his 80s at least
bhoylo83
16:13 on 31 October, 2014
Lassana Diarra, ex Real, Chelsea, Arsenal. French international
Bhoylo83
Yes
http://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/3875/transfer-zone/2014/10/31/5657561/diarra-flies-in-for-celtic-talks
LB
I thought we had enough Diarrhea in the squad
lawwellsacountant
15:51 on 31 October, 2014
LIVIBHOY ok but I differ as I have no faith in our manager,the team has gone backwards and backwards since he took over
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Hun alert!
I think that because Tonev is making the appeal it also leaves open the possibility if they do convict him on the grounds of probability that he will appeal to the Courts of Law.
If Celtic were making the appeal I think that recourse is not open to them.
Whether anybody believes that Tonev would get a fair hearing in the Law Courts or not is anybody’s guess
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Oscar Knox, MacKenzie Furniss and anyone else who fights Neuroblastoma
15:35 on 31 October, 2014
Which of the two protagonists would have more reason to lie about what was said?
ernie lynch
16:32 on 31 October, 2014
What difference does it make if there wasn’t a third party to corroborate the accusation?
ernie lynch 16:32 on 31 October, 2014
“Which of the two protagonists would have more reason to lie about what was said?”
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Do you think one of the protagonists lied? Yes or no?
ernie lynch
16:32 on
31 October, 2014
The possibility exists that neither of them are lying.
If Tonev said one thing and Logan heard it as something else it doesn’t make him a liar. That’s what he heard. He’s mistaken, not lying.
Ernie
The blunt answer to your question is Tonev but you cannot convict someone on the basis that they might have had a motive to lie.
If someone is accused of murder but was in fact in bed with another person’s spouse at the time of the murder — they might have a reason to lie about their whereabouts.
But that is not evidence of their involvement in the crime.
Having the motive to lie is even less damning.
I honestly know what you are saying but there has to be a standard of proof below which it is not safe to convict anyone of anything.
blantyretim is praying for the Knox family
14:35 on 31 October, 2014
‘gave you the gut to contact’
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That’s rather unkind.
A bit below the belt, as it were.
BRTH
I heard that the ban was based on the balance of probability. I believe this is used in HR at places of work and also in law.
Can you confirm?
Apologies if you are unaware but given your knowledge of the law is better than mine I thought I would ask.
LB
Ernie
No longer on opiates so spelling back to normal..
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Oscar Knox, MacKenzie Furniss and anyone else who fights Neuroblastoma
16:40 on 31 October, 2014
‘Ernie
The blunt answer to your question is Tonev but you cannot convict someone on the basis that they might have had a motive to lie.’
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But you can bear it in mind when considering the relative credibility of the two people involved.
Which is what the case turns on.
Gersatz.
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1.
serving as a substitute; synthetic; artificial:
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Wee minger @1639
I’ve read you making that same point close to a dozen times over the last 24hrs.
Any chance you can type it into a language that Ernie can comprehend?
Cheers :)
Stollen unashamedly from the Scotsman forum
“Gersatz”
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[er-zahts, -sahts, er-zahts, -sahts] IPA Syllables
Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
serving as a substitute; synthetic; artificial:
an ersatz coffee made from grain.
noun
2.
an artificial substance or article used to replace something natural or genuine; a substitute.
Bawsman
16:45 on 31 October, 2014
The tz is silent when the word is followed by macaroon bars.
The decision of those pronouncing judgement is and will remain flawed as long as the process remains behind closed doors.
All we know is one accused the other and he has been backed on circumstantial evidence.
Those are the facts we have been presented with to date.
Why not make the facts and resultant decision transparent? This probably one of the most heinous slurs a young man could endure and carry with him forever.
The entire affair has been dealt with in a slapstick manner, without the judge and jury facing any recourse for their decision.
Anyone know if those going to the PTFC game will be pretty much guaranteed for the semi?
I mean season ticket holders of course. If not I believe this is a major reason people are not renewing year on year.
The Bhoys who go to these games should be guaranteed in my opinion.
LB
What would be worse, Tonev calling him a black c^^^ & getting away with it or Tonev being completely innocent and getting branded a racist for the rest of his natural life.
LiviBhoy 16.51,
That’s sexist. Get yourself a good lawyer.
So some half wit on here ,thinks if you don,t rate Deila your a hun,that would make every celtic fan I know and thousands who actually paid up front to watch the piss served up by him ,huns to what a fanny that poster is
Livibhoy,
In the near recent past its been almost guaranteed that the guys on the home cup ticket scheme will get one.
Ballot/ lottery for the rest and public sale depending on opposition.
I was on a jury in the high court eighteen years ago, I won’t go into the case…but members of that jury had judged the bloke by his appearance and the expense the experts cost for the defence.
He was found guilty by a majority.
The bloke got a year added on to his sentence, making it nine years…he served the whole nine years and took his case to the European courts, I’ve never found out how he got on with that.
Oh, incidentally on the judges rounding up…it was the blokes family that skint themselves to pay for the experts.
I often wondered how the guilty voters felt on hearing that…I’ve been brought up and have taught my kids never to judge a book by its cover.
Some on here should take note. HH
Good Afternoon Timland
I’m not on the away ticket scheme,so rarely get a ticket for
cup finals,not a prob with that,I would imagine that if we draw
the hun in the semi I won’t get one,was wondering if anyone
who does get one and isn’t going would mind passing it on
to me……….getting the begging in early.
A Ceiler Gonof Rust
Cheers for that! You available?
LB
Ah the irony…Celtic player gets accused of racism…by a shower of sectarian bigots.
HH
Geordie Munro
Cheers mate. Bhoy at work worried as he is desperate to see his first semi final and final.
It’s his first FT job and season ticket.
LB
Livibhoy
Said at game the other night if i dont get one for semi
having been at Partick Hearts and Euro games on home tkt scheme
a call will be placed next day to take me off said scheme.
jc2
I agree with that. The Bhoys and Ghirls (ACGR take note) that went to those games should be guaranteed.
LB
BT ok understand now Doh!! Hail Hail Hebcelt
Its a pity our board wont challenge the masonic, sectarian influence in the SFA, Apparently, you can say anything you like about a Celtic player, because the Celtic board wont challenge it…..The huns are fully aware of that fact.
I don’t know if Tonev is racist, but to be accused of racism by blazer wearing sectarian bigots, really takes the biscuit.
Same old, Same old….could write the script by now.
HH
Livibhoy,
I’d bet lawwellsacountants life on him getting one.
But if we draw the new kids on the block there’s a good chance it might kick up a wee ticketing anomaly.
THE GREEN MAN
So true, so very true
KINGLuBO
Livibhoy
I’d be extremely surprised if he’s on HCT scheme and went on Wednesday night if he didn’t get one for the semi.