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Tonev and racism in Scottish football

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I’m not about to give you a character reference for Aleksandar Tonev, he may be prone to racist outburst, for all I know.  Society, and therefore football, still has a racism problem, just read how coolly Luis Suarez played addressing an opponent as “negro”.  The game has to react firmly when presented with racist banners, which regularly appear in Eastern Europe.

On the balance of probabilities, would a born-and-bred Scottish international be judged to have made a racist remark during a game against an opponent he doesn’t share a common tongue with?

If Kenny Miller was similarly accused and claimed to be misquoted, how would you feel?  Scottish footballers just don’t have a history of this kind of remark; I’d be inclined to believe Miller.  So, I expect, would Scottish football.

Tonev comes from one of those Eastern European countries.  Scottish football acknowledged it had no evidence to act on but found him guilty.

Based in just as little evidence, could you please decide if Scottish football is guilty of racist generalisation in its handling of this matter?  I know you don’t have enough evidence to come to a proper decision, but that’s the point.

Maybe if Aleks was at Ibrox on Tuesday making flute band gestures to TV cameras at halftime, the like of which Scottish Government minster Roseanna Cunningham once insisted was unacceptable and illegal, we’d all realise he didn’t mean any harm.  Or was it just the Sign of the Cross, Ms Cunningham?

But Tonev’s not “one of us”, so who cares?

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  1. Goram and Amarusso were caught on camara (and in print) racially abusing black players, what was the penalty?

     

     

    If Tonev is proven guilty get rid.

  2. The Battered Bunnet on

    Am posting on a phone and have limited functionality… Given Paul’s leader, would someone be kind enough to cut & paste my post at 12.22 on the last thread?

     

     

    Ta

  3. FourGreenFields on

    The Daily Record have been invited to a meeting at Celtic Park regarding their reporting of the LZ incident .

  4. oldtim67

     

    12:16 on

     

    31 October, 2014

     

    blantyretim.

     

     

    If you fancy a wee drink after your visit from your employers I’ll be in the Blane Valley around 4pm.

  5. the battered bunnet

     

     

    12:22 on 31 October, 2014

     

    Racism in Scotland is our society’s family delinquent, hidden away from sight, unacknowledged, not spoken of, and which very occassionally makes an embarrassing appearance in public.

     

     

    It’s part of our hereditary instinct to attack ‘the Other’ on the basis of difference, but is by a huge distance the most common of hate related expressions.

     

     

    Hate Crime stats show consistently over the past 10 years between 4500 and 5000 instances of racially aggravated hate crime every year.

     

     

    Scotland’s Black and Minority Ethnic population per 2011 census is some 200,000.

     

     

    It seems incredible but is merely banal fact that 20% of this group of people has been postponed he victim of a racially motivated attack in just the last 10 years.

     

     

    Twenty percent.

     

     

    And this figure represents only those attacks for which a perpetrator was identified and charged.

     

     

    No suspect: No charge.

     

     

    No charge: No hate crime recorded.

     

     

    Shameful. Altogether, shameful.

  6. The Battered Bunnet

     

    12:22 on

     

    31 October, 2014

     

    Racism in Scotland is our society’s family delinquent, hidden away from sight, unacknowledged, not spoken of, and which very occassionally makes an embarrassing appearance in public.

     

     

    It’s part of our hereditary instinct to attack ‘the Other’ on the basis of difference, but is by a huge distance the most common of hate related expressions.

     

     

    Hate Crime stats show consistently over the past 10 years between 4500 and 5000 instances of racially aggravated hate crime every year.

     

     

    Scotland’s Black and Minority Ethnic population per 2011 census is some 200,000.

     

     

    It seems incredible but is merely banal fact that 20% of this group of people has been postponed he victim of a racially motivated attack in just the last 10 years.

     

     

    Twenty percent.

     

     

    And this figure represents only those attacks for which a perpetrator was identified and charged.

     

     

    No suspect: No charge.

     

     

    No charge: No hate crime recorded.

     

     

    Shameful. Altogether, shameful.

  7. a question for any tech guys

     

     

    i post on my phone , when a new article comes up i have to go out and back onto google , then login again …. is there a short cut for this thicko !!

  8. I wonder if Kenny Miller has ever been on the receiving end of any racism…

     

     

    Is Oompa loompish a race?

     

     

    B-)

  9. an tearmann

     

     

    12:34 on 31 October, 2014

     

     

    The SFA have called a man out as a racist.In todays age they had better know what they are doing and have the back up to take this thro to courts if need be, if Tonev decides to go that far.I know if it were me and I was getting called out on this charge I would pursue to the highest court in the land to clear my name.I would do this as this label could possibly ruin my future career.A lot has been implied about racist attitudes from eastern bloc countries,rgis may or may not be so. I suppose getting called a racist byan institution,who supported one of its biggest clubs operate a sectarian policy for most of the first 115 of its 140 year life is a but much to take!

     

     

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  10. With ever ounce of my being I am totally against racism. However I would like to know did the Court of the Star Chamber at SFA actually publish the words that Tonev was alleged to have said? Or has someone just made them up as is the usual the norm of press reporting in this “free” country?

  11. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    Oldtim.

     

    douby ill make it, you got your meds packed..??

     

     

    Marspapa

     

    go to top of page you are on and click on cqn in bold writing, takes you back to home page then tou just click on comments..

  12. I have no doubt Logan thinks he heard a racist remark, that remark has been reported as being “get your hand off me you black c**t”

     

     

    surely Tonev will have been asked to repeat what he actually said to the Referee, Celtic Football Club & the SFA.

     

     

    Why has what he believes he actually said not been reported.?

     

     

    I’m sure our Club would have had him back down the road in an instant if there was any doubt, rather than become embroiled in a racism slur against our name.

     

     

    We must fight this all the way untill there is evidence to support Logan’s claims 100% which obviously there is not.

  13. Cindirrat Thomo on

    The SFA should be challenged on every ‘punishment’ delivered and measured against Ian Black over his 140 bets on football including against the team he was playing for on that game! given a three game ban!

     

     

    If the S(evco)FA want to bottle it from Sevco intimidation don’t expect us to forget it.

     

     

    Take them to Court, that’s seemingly allowed now too!

     

     

    Ogilvie come out you odious creep!

  14. I think there might be a decent crowd at game tomorrow. Been talking to a few people going to their 1st game of the season. Is the Deila era starting to take off?

  15. I would be fairly sure that whilst deliberating on a verdict, the implication of an appeal would have been considered.

     

     

    both the likeliness of and basis for the appeal which, if launched would be done so by the best lawyers in the business.

     

     

    Whilst I freely admit the SFA are a bunch of backwater ameatuers who dont want the (and their) world to change – I would be shocked if they delivered a guilty verdict, knowing the global ramifications based on an assumption..

     

     

    Unless we have strong evidence which points the other way we have to be seen to act on the basis that at this moment in time Tonev has been found guilty, so therefore a fit and just action is to suspend the player until an appeal has been heard and remove him from our anti-racist video.

  16. I’ve never heard the word C*** being used either in the native language or in English in all my years having a holiday home here in Bulgarski.

     

     

    Has Alex picked this word up in his short time in the UK ? i very much doubt it.

     

     

    I was asked what is the meaning of it last night, and i couldn’t explain it to be honest.

  17. A wee proposal or thought really.

     

    There has been much discussion about attendance at a game against the country’s newest team, Sevco/NewcoRangers.

     

    Personally I have no desire to share a stadium/air/oxygen with the horde that follow this new club, especially if they and authorities insist in perpetuating the “Same club” myth.

     

     

    With the draw for the League Cup semi finals imminent, and me being on the home ticketing scheme and no missing a game for several years, I am fairly confident of being offered the opportunity to purchase a ticket for the semi final. Which is what I will do.

     

     

    However should that semi final be marketed as the return of the Old Firm and the “same club” myth continued, I will not attend.

     

     

    My positive solution to this conundrum is this.

     

     

    I will sell my ticket to the highest bidder and donate money raised to the Mary’s Meals charity.

     

     

    Two questions.

     

    1. Who will join me?

     

    2. Can we make this happen?

     

     

    Thoughts please.

     

     

    EC67

  18. thomthethim for Oscar OK on

    The two worst insults directed at a man are :-

     

     

    1) you are a bad driver

     

     

    2) you know nothing about football.

     

     

    Perhaps Tonev told him he was a bad DIVER.

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