‘News’ that a football club can actually go out of business will come as a surprise to no one here as Hearts issued a statement saying “Without the support of fans there is a real risk that Hearts could possibly play its last game on 17 November.”
Hearts have two commercial problems: they owe HMRC money they don’t have and their running costs are greater than their income. They also have over £20m of debt owed to major shareholder, Ukio Bankas, which at this stage of their corporate existence is more of an asset than a liability.
The club have asked supporters to cough up around £2m to pay HMRC and see it through until the end of the season. A further £1.7m HMRC demand is being contested but should Hearts lose this appeal, that bill will crystallise quickly.
Unlike the now-defunct Rangers, Hearts major shareholder is due more than 75% of the debt, so Ukio could vote to accept a Company Voluntary Arrangement, possibly for as little as 1p in the £1, if the club goes into administration. This is a well-travelled road for Scottish football clubs who overwhelmingly fail owing shareholders or the bank the majority of their debt.
In this respect, there is no obvious reason why Hearts are in danger of playing their last game next week. Administration would allow the club to shed its debt, including the contested tax bill. It would almost certainly result in player redundancies, which would reduce expenditure below the level of income. Hearts would be diminished as a football club, and would take a 17 point hit in the SPL, but that is as bad as it needs to get. Ukio Bankas would take the largest hit on money they may well have already written-off.
The only thing I see for Hearts fans to worry about is the property value of Tynecastle. Ukio will almost certainly have a charge on all the club’s property assets. If the club disappears, they would be left with the real estate. Tynecastle is worth a whole lot more money as flats than as a football field.
When a company cannot pay its creditors it goes into administration and seeks to negotiate a settlement with them. Hearts can do this “within days if not hours”, as Our Hero once said. It’s just curious that Hearts are playing on the bring rather than sorting things out.
Maybe they could get former player and tracksuit salesman, Maurice something-or-other, to sell some of their assets.
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Afternoon all.
Have any you had any bother trying to book for the Henrik night in January.
Not been very impressed with the service. Had mail confirming a table and nothing since. Mates had double money withdrawn from their account also.
Shoddy
Just checked the BBC site to see todays fixtures.
A comment from a Hibs fan about their rivals involved modifying the Hearts song, `Flats, flats, glorious flats, it`s down at Tynecastle they`re built`. :-)
Miki67,
I can feel all those great holier than thou all inclusive supporters winding up to tell you not to turn up at Celtic park as there is no place for supporters like you.
Me, I welcome you and all like you, open to all especially the traditional core.
Hail Hail
Arranmore@11.41
Beautifully put.
miki67
10:37 on 10 November, 2012
Where I live, the poppy issue is not an issue, and anyone I know would be surprised to hear that a well known rank rotten orange mob in Scotland is using it as a propagandistic stick to beat people who have no interest in wearing what has become a hubristic display of support for legalised murder, not a commemoration of the cruel deaths of millions and the futility of such slaughter as was its original intention, now usurped and cynically used by the most craven of cowards and manipulating politicians.
You wear it if you want. Equally you don’t wear it.
But above all, remember that war is horrific and legalised murder is failure on a grand scale.
Where is the care for the dispossesssed and those caught up in hellacious violence right now as we make a mockery in the UK of the devastating loss caused by spectacular and wanton waste of the young for the benefity of the privileged wealthy elite?
The more that changes, the more things remain the same.
The poppy: just one more symbolic tool to beat people with.
Despicable.
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Miki – you and me sing from the same political hymn sheet. The ABUSE of remembrance Sunday is an insult to those who have died in the uniform of the British services, it is an affront to the victims of those who died at the hands of the British Military.
By all means people should remember but it sticks in my craw that the remembering is accompanied with military displays and parades rather than a huge cry for PEACE.
I argue every year and all through the year that we would all be far better served with a unifying symbol of remembrance for the many millions who are killed, injured or become ill as a result of their work. There is such a day on 28th of April but outside of a handful of Trade Union activists there is little done to commemorate workers (and I would include in that the workers slaughtered in uniforms, poor men dying at the behest of the rich)
The only point I would disagree with is the ‘orange mob’. It is not just our religiously motivated separated friends who use the day and the symbol to impose their hegemonic view of ‘good wars/ bad wars’ – our ‘masters’ have always known the power of symbolism and propaganda and have used it to keep us all in our place. I suppose that is why so many of them will run a mile if you ask them to support things like Workers Memorial Day.
In short I want a Cenotaph for the miners, the mill workers, the builders, the agricultural workers, the steel workers, and every other worker who sufferes physical or mental harm at their work – the heros who built society and paid with life and limb or mental health. When we get that on an equal footing and as well supported by the media and the press, politicians, Churches and State as the Poppy Appeal is then I may think about remembering the war dead of an imperialist nation. Oh, yes, and when my remembrance of my Republican forebears who were POW’s in their own country have equal status when it comes to remembering then I will have some more time for the Poppy. It was particularly hurtful to see FIne Gael Politician (and Labour ones before him) in the Dail sporting a Poppy. The descendents of the party which committed atrocities against their fellow Irish men during the civil war who dared to stand for a Republic and not a sell out wearing a symbol of british imperialism – hard to stomach. And I have deeply personal reasons for feeling this way which I am not about to share on line.
(By the way for those sick of the Poppy debate may I add that I find the Friday quiz tedious, discussion of the Golf day out rather dull, am not always bothered about two posters who discover that they went to school together and start discussing the old days etc etc etc BUT there are plenty who love these things and fair play to them. I suppose that’s why some forums have different threads – we don’t here so we scroll on by)
May I finish with saying that I respect any person who wishes to remember their war dead in whatever fashion they choose. And while I was sick at the sight of a FG politician doing so in the Dail I would not deny him his right to do so no matter how much I disagree with him.
GreenLion2 1140
Brilliant video.. That’s us .. That’s our support ..
HH
Afternoon all. Need some advice. I’m in Abu Dhabi for the next 4 days and looking for a place to watch the game tomorrow. Checked Celticbars and the closest CSC is in Dubai which is out of my reach right now. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
roberttressel:
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Yep.
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neilcanamalar
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I am of little account. If the inclusiveness of Celtic couldn’t contain me I woudn’t be here, but here I am, so that’s that sorted.
HH! to everybody from the end of one of the most memorable weeks I can remember…..
……does that make sense?
As much as anything else in the world of me.
KTF!
South Of Tunis
12:12 on 10 November, 2012
Thought that silence thing was timed for the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month ..
Will there be a minutes silence in Glasgow’s Bingo Hall’s tomorrow afternoon .?
Will there be a minutes silence in Glasgow’s cinemas tomorrow afternoon ?
Will there be a minutes silence in Glasgow’s shops tomorrow afternoon ?
Will there be a minutes silence in Glasgow’s bars and restaurants tomorrow afternoon ?..
Etc / Etc / Etc .
If not , why not ?
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My guess is that all the people that are in them and run them are rabid republicans, sectarian bigots, Internet Bampots, ungrateful 4th generation Oirish. That includes the owners of SAinsburys, Tescos, Asda, Morrisons.
Don’t start me on Lidl or Aldi……. bloody Germans coming over here undercutting our other foreign owned multi national supermarket chains. The cheek.
I for one would not mourn the demise of Hearts Football Club.
may67
12:00 on 10 November, 2012
I can’t refresh the comments pages any more. Anyone else have the same problem?
Been having the same problem all week, pain in the erchie. When I refresh the page the post count either goes back the way or wont refresh
rimtimtim
12:45 on 10 November, 2012
I for one would not mourn the demise of Hearts Football Club.
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But surely Celtic Supporters, being but one side of the sectarian Old Firm coin need a traditionally ‘Protestant’ club to hate until the Sevco get back? Is that now how this is supposed to work? We all lose interest unless we have people to hate? Like the way improved attendances and beating Barca are sure signs of Armageddon setting in?
No?
Oh right, I’m getting it now – for Celtic it has been about the football and about loving our club all along, not the hatred of others…….
Silly me…………..
Bye Bye Hearts
Right, enough ranting from me today. I’m in militant mood. No Pasaran. Away to join the consumer rat race and get it out of my system…….
Hail Hail
My boss is Peter Principle
12:46 on
10 November, 2012
may67
12:00 on 10 November, 2012
I can’t refresh the comments pages any more. Anyone else have the same problem?
No
Robert T
Good writing Sir. Thanks.
TBB
ipaddy mccourt
11:29 on
10 November, 2012
I used to wear a poppy but I choose not to now as i think it has, to a large extent, been hijacked by those with an agenda. ‘Poppy fascism’ has mushroomed to the point where no-one appearing on British TV would dare be seen without one for fear of the outcry it would provoke in the right wing media. It would be career suicide to your average newsreader, presenter, pundit and weather man. This is despite the fact that a large majority of ordinary citizens do not wear a poppy! However, to many, many people in society, the poppy is simply a poignant symbol of respect for the memory of British servicemen and women who lost their lives in many conflicts. We can argue until the cows come home about the rights, wrongs, legalities, etc of those various wars but at the end of the day we can surely, for 60 seconds, put aside our perfectly valid reservations about the politicisation of the poppy and remember the young men and women who were sent to fight real Fascism and never returned home, including many, many Catholics and Celtic supporters.
Those who need no encouragement to attack Celtic will be watching closely. Let’s scunner them by observing tomorrow’s silence impeccably before roaring our young team on to another victory.
Hail hail one and all
P67 didn’t wear one.
I’m sure at ipox today there will be the carnival of clowns professing their sympathies for the fallen.
It’s actually quite ironic thems doin a minutes silence for their deid club.hh
ICT one up at half-time
In recent times a minute’s silence has been held on two occasions when we were away from home. The first was at Falkirk and the second St Mirren.
On both dates I happened to have tickets beside a really good friend who previously was in the Royal Navy and ended up being shipped off to Basra at the height of the conflict in Afghanistan.
After meeting him outside the stadiums, a smoke and a chat about Celtic and life in general, he went in to the ground to observe the minute’s silence while I waited outside until it was over.
He respects my decision and the reasons for my actions and likewise I understand his.
That’s why we’re still the best of mates.
Greenlion & Nuclearbovril
Fantastic video, got a lump in my throat watching it.
Hail Hail.
ESPN advertising next Saturday’s game at Pittodrie…
“Tune in to watch the SPL’s two most successful clubs!”
Hee hee made me laugh.
First of all many thanks to the lads who put up link to the Barca lads video. Pure Class-I love it. Re the minutes silence If I was in Parkhead tomorrow I would hang around by the pie counter & delay taking my seat till game started. However I realise its not practical for a whole lot of people to do that. Every guy should do what they want & not fall out with each other over it. But my advice to the objectors, of whom I am one, would be don’t give them any excuse to slag us off. Just stay quiet for the minute and say a prayer for Jinky or Tommy Burns or a family member. When its over just do what we all do & cheer for The Hoops.
Can I Have Raspberry On That Champions League Ice Cream
13:00 on 10 November, 2012
Wouldn’t it be better if those who wanted to show their respect for the fallen did so in an active fashion by attending a Remembrance day ceremony at a war memorial rather than just paying lip service to the idea in a football ground?
I went to hear /experience John Cage’s totally silent 4 33 in a theatre in London in 2004 .
Before the gig started —- there was a guy outside demonstrating , loudly voicing his objections to people paying money to hear 4 minutes and 33 seconds of silence . .
Fondly remember a woman in the queue telling him to piss off and adding —
” In this country , a minute’s silence costs millions of lives “
djbee
im the same.i only ever get one comment on last page?
hh
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If a NATO Bomber Bombed the Taliban and on the Way back Crashed into a Afghan Village..
Should we Not Pause and Respect All Dead..Right or Wrong.. Innocent and Guilty..?
Summa
Andrés Iniesta: Football isn’t a science. We play this way because it suits us
The midfield magician talks about fighting his way to the top and why Barcelona and Spain’s style of play is above all ‘pragmatic’
Sid Lowe
The Guardian, Friday 9 November 2012 21.00 GMT
After a decade at the top of the game, Andrés Iniesta says winning the hard way is what keeps him motivated.
They have seen better nights. Quite a lot of them, in fact. In a village of La Mancha, there is a bar. The village is called Fuentealbilla and has a population of just 1,864; the bar is called the Luján and it is run, as it has been for as long as anyone can remember, by Andrés Iniesta’s grandfather. It has become the home of the local peña or supporters’ club, the walls covered with newspaper cuttings and shirts, a mini-museum collected by the Barcelona midfielder. Every time Andrés is in action, the bar is packed.
On Wednesday they witnessed another piece of history, it just wasn’t exactly what they had in mind. The evening before, Iniesta, Xavi Hernández and Lionel Messi posed for photographs with Celtic’s shirt to mark the club’s 125th anniversary. The following night, the celebrations became even greater when Barcelona were beaten and Rod Stewart cried. “We have beaten the best team in the world,” said the Celtic manager, Neil Lennon. Iniesta scored in the first game against the Scottish champions but not this time. This time, there were shades of Chelsea about it. Chelsea last season, that is.
They have seen better nights, all right. The memorabilia reveals as much. When Iniesta scored the last-minute goal at Stamford Bridge that sent Barcelona through to the 2009 European Cup final, it led to a 40% increase in the birth rate in Catalonia. That night his grandmother was watching from hospital, leaping up and down shouting: “My grandson! My grandson!” Others were in Bar Luján, just as they have been for European Cup finals, European Championship finals, the World Cup … and that goal in South Africa.
“My granddad opens up for the big Spain or Barcelona games,” Iniesta smiles. “I still have the boots I wore in Rome in 2009. At the Wembley final, I swapped shirts with Paul Scholes. And from the World Cup final …”
He pauses to think. That night at Soccer City when Spain won the 2010 World Cup final, Gerard Piqué took his memento when he took a pair of scissors to the net, while the vest Iniesta wore in memory of Dani Jarque, the Espanyol centre-back who died of a heart attack, is on display at the stadium of Barcelona’s city rivals. Iniesta, who struck the only goal against Holland in extra time, can remember the moment perfectly. He talks about “hearing” the “silence” as he waited for the ball to drop; about knowing that he just needed gravity do its thing or as he puts it “wait for Newton”, then hit it, convinced he would score. But he’s not sure now what booty he left with. “I think,” he finally responds, “that I kept the boots.”
Fuentealbilla is deep in Don Quixote country. Iniesta left there at the age of 12 – he has been at Barcelona so long that he recently admitted that he felt “a bit Catalan too” – but he keeps coming back. When he first arrived in Barcelona he wanted to turn straight round again. He admits that when his parents came to visit he wouldn’t just sleep in the same hotel room as them, he would sleep in the same bed. The rest of the time he slept in La Masía, the Catalan-style farmhouse that stands alongside the Camp Nou, looking out the window and wondering.
“Those days were the worst of my life,” he says. “You’re 500km away, you’re without your family. You’re from a small place where you can walk everywhere and the change is huge. There were lots of nights I thought: ‘I want to go home.’ Very hard moments. I’d think I was never going to make it. But you have to be strong. Even at the age of 12 you think: ‘I have to fight. I’ve come this far, there’s no going back.'”
Sacrifice and redemption are central to Iniesta’s experience. For a player whose game seems so effortless, so natural, so smooth, the story he tells is surprisingly tough. So, in fact, is he. There is no other way to say this: Iniesta is small. Not just small-for-an-athlete small, but small: 5ft 7in and slight. But there is a steel to him, a competitive edge too easily overlooked. Leaning back on a wooden bench, Iniesta speaks evenly and rationally but every now and then it comes through in his words too.
“If there’s one characteristic all players have it’s precisely that,” he says. “They all have that gene, that competitiveness, the ability to overcome obstacles, to fight, a willingness to sacrifice. It might look easy to reach the top and stay there, to play for your country and win things, but it isn’t. All players that have achieved those things have that: the big ones, the small ones, the good-looking ones, the ugly ones, the nice ones, the not so nice ones … they all have that will to succeed.
“When you win something, that comes to mind. I remember when the referee blew the final whistle in the World Cup final, the first thing I thought of was the pain. The suffering. Instead of thinking: ‘I’m a world champion,’ I thought of that. It had been a hard year with injuries and I didn’t think I’d make it. If you win without sacrifice you enjoy it but it’s more satisfying when you have struggled. The World Cup meant so much because of the journey there.”
“The [Champions League] final in Rome [in 2009] was similar,” Iniesta continues. “I had torn a muscle and I couldn’t shoot with my right foot.”
It is no exaggeration: Barcelona’s doctors had told him not to shoot against Manchester United. But not shooting didn’t stop Iniesta and Xavi running the game. “There are moments when the human body can overcome things you would never expect,” Iniesta says. “I got injured 17 days before the final and all I wanted was to be there, however big the tear was. It was a 3cm tear and I fought morning and night. I had played in Paris [against Arsenal in 2006] but only as a sub so it left a bitter-sweet feeling and I kept thinking about that. In Rome I had to play. By playing despite being ‘broken’ I struggled at the start of the following season. I played a big price. But it was worth it.”
The day Iniesta got injured against Villarreal Pep Guardiola told his staff: “Andrés is playing in the final no matter – he plays.” The coach had long been an admirer and defender of Iniesta, right back to the day the kid from La Mancha joined the first-team squad for training. “Remember this day,” Guardiola told his team-mates.
The feeling, by the way, is mutual: “I’m sure the day he starts coaching again, whichever team it is that he takes over will be big winners. I have absolutely no doubt about that,” says Iniesta. “What he achieved here came from his ability to make us believe in his message – the results came from that.”
Speaking of messages, Guardiola once famously announced: “Andrés doesn’t dye his hair, doesn’t wear earrings and hasn’t got tattoos. That makes him unattractive to the media but he’s the best.”
In fact, it ended up making Iniesta even more popular; somehow closer to fans. Iniesta seems more like one of them; not long after the World Cup he recalls a woman coming up to him while he was leaning against the bar. “Excuse me,” she said. “Yes,” Iniesta replied, expecting the next line to be the usual request for an autograph or a photo. Instead she said: “I’d like an orange Fanta, please.”
It is impossible to talk to Iniesta and not like him. “I get the feeling people respect me and that there is affection for me. That makes me happy,” he says. “But it’s not about being good or bad. Everyone’s different. You’re not the bad guy if you’ve got tattoos and you’re not the good guy if you don’t have tattoos. Everyone tries to protect an image that reflects what kind of person they think they are. Some people like you, some people don’t. In the end you just have to be yourself.
“The thing people sometimes don’t see is that football is a part of life. In life you have different sorts of people, why should it be different in football?”
Iniesta does not just represent a shift in perceptions of footballers but in perceptions of football. Barcelona and Spain have challenged preconceptions. Along with Xavi, Iniesta is the embodiment of the style, an ideologue – even if Xavi is a more vocal, more unwavering defender of the faith. “We feel part of something: we generate the football,” Iniesta says. “People say that it is in the midfield where the style of play of a side is established and in that sense we feel responsible.
“The 2008 Euros were so important because they showed you could win that way with a group of players who weren’t physically imposing in any way – if anything, we’re the opposite. Maybe that’s the point at which the idea starts to change. It’s the same with Barcelona, who always had that philosophy but have now added titles and trophies. Without the trophies it would all mean a lot less but it proved that it was possible.”
Talk of philosophy draws admiration; it also draws criticism. If Barcelona felt as if their style was dismissed then, some believe that the success of their style means that other approaches are dismissed now, treated almost as if they were immoral. Against Celtic, Barcelona racked up 84% of the possession but were unable to find a way through; it was similar to the semi-final against Chelsea last year.
Afterwards, one Spanish journalist asked Jordi Alba something that has become a recurring theme: wasn’t it a pity that some teams don’t want to play football? As if what Celtic did was somehow not allowed, wrong, not football. That has created a backlash against Barcelona’s style and their steadfast, almost evangelical commitment to it, which came together in the Spain-are-boring debate of Euro 2012, one that appeared in Spain, not just abroad. It was as if Spain were obliged to win and anything else would be a disgrace.
“It’s not that now we are saying football is a science and playing this way you will always win,” Iniesta says. “The other thing is that we play the way we do because it suits us. We don’t have the players to pull it off playing a different way. People talk about ‘pragmatic’ football; well, for us, this is pragmatic. It’s the way we like to play and it’s the way we believe we have the best chance of winning.
“But the football that Spain and Barcelona play is not the only kind of football there is. Counterattacking football, for example, has just as much merit. The way Barcelona play and the way Spain play isn’t the only way. Different styles make this such a wonderful sport. But what we do is not easy, either.”
During Euro 2012 even Vicente del Bosque, a man normally so measured in his discourse, was critical of accusations that Spain were boring; that people were not valuing what they had achieved. “We’ve gone from poor man to rich man in five minutes,” the manager said. In the final, Spain responded in the best possible way, defeating Italy 4-0. “We needed that,” Iniesta admits. “It was the most complete match we played – in the way we moved the ball quickly, the speed and the aggression we showed getting forward.
“We are now being judged according to a level of performance which is almost impossible to reach. But we’ve earned the right to be judged that way. It’s a double-edged sword – the better you play the better you’re expected to play all the time. When it doesn’t happen then people start asking questions. We’re not complaining, we wish things had gone that well for the last 50 years that the expectations had always been so high. But maybe people don’t appreciate the difficulty sometimes.”
Iniesta was voted the man of the match in the final. It was his third award of the tournament and Uefa named him European football’s player of the year – ahead of Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. “Winning that was special,” he says. “To even be standing there between Cristiano and Leo was a prize for me, so to be there on the podium and actually win it … If people like the way I play so much that they put me above Leo and Cristiano, that’s incredible. I feel like people respect me.”
So how about the Ballon d’Or? Iniesta smiles. It is a kind of resigned smile. “Anyone would love to be there,” he says but he knows it will be Messi or Ronaldo that wins it; that arguably the greatest national team ever may never have a winner of the award. “Recognition is the World Cup and the European Championships,” Iniesta says. “It’s a team sport and they are the team prizes.” There’s a pause and he grins: “But of course it would be nice.”
There may be one last chance: the 2014 World Cup. “It’s massive, especially because it is in Brazil with all that means. A World Cup in Brazil is unique. It could be that after winning two European Championships and the World Cup, when maybe you would think there would be nothing else to strive for, this is a gift. Something to fight for. Another title and an achievement that would be very, very special.”
Will a minute’s silence encourage or discourage young people to join the army?
tyrehoops
13:15 on 10 November, 2012
djbee
im the same.i only ever get one comment on last page?
hh
I and others get that if we are not signed in whilst reading quite a lot. Once sgned in it fixes itself
” Wouldn’t it be better if those who wanted to show their respect for the fallen did so in an active fashion by attending a Remembrance day ceremony at a war memorial rather than just paying lip service to the idea in a football ground?”
Probably Ernie.
It’s a bit like all those thousands who have never been near a chapel in their lives but still had the decency to respect the minutes silence at hampden for jp2.
Some personal thoughts on the ‘poppy debate’. and the futility of war.
One of my late mother’s cousins and two of my father’s boyhood friends – all Italian – were sent to fight on the Eastern Front in 1941/42 by that megalomaniac madman Mussolini in the hope that a few thousand young men would, several months later, be occupying Moscow and Leningrad.
The three of them, in their late teens and from a tiny village in the north of Italy, never returned – not even in body bags. Official Italian casualties were c115,000 – several thousand missing in action.
Me, my father, other members of the family and the surviving brother of one of those young men – now aged 90 – choose to pay our own respects in our own way.
My own maternal grandfather fought in WW1, and was called up in 1916 aged 17. Italy was part of the Allied forces and he fought against the Austro-Hungarians in atrocious conditions in the border alpine regions: He died in 1978 and almost never talked of his experiences – the two medals he received for bravery still have pride of place to this day.
Futility of war? If he had died I would not be here today!
HH!!
Geordie Munro
13:22 on 10 November, 2012
‘It’s a bit like all those thousands who have never been near a chapel in their lives but still had the decency to respect the minutes silence at hampden for jp2.’
It’s not like it at all.
There will be thousands of Remembrance day ceremonies tomorrow at just about every war memorial in Scotland.
How many people obeying the silence at CP (and every other football ground) tomorrow, and insisting every one else does likewise, will have bothered to go to one?
It’s a load of tokenistic nonsense.
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Ernie..
It’s 2 Mins Silence in Australia..So l would say it Discourages..:O))))
Summa
Hamiltontim
I think you’ll find that Basra is in Iraq.
ht
Wait ’till your pupils hear about that:o)
Ianbhoy
Oops!!
ElDiego
Hear about what mate?
Geography lesson:o)
ElDiego
Sat Nav.com ;-)