The Daily Record won credit for scooping the off-field story of the week, multiple investigations into singing by Celtic fans, but others are beginning to ask who gave the newspaper details of a police investigation.
The stories broke in an unusual manner, with SFA referee and policeman, Eddie Smith, named as the person who reported Celtic fans to Uefa and the SPL. The officer made what looks like an inexplicable decision after some confrontations inside Celtic Park, without mentioning a word of his concerns to the Celtic security people during the game – the normal procedure for such incidents.
Smith, who has Celtic supporting credentials, was named, providing the perfect foil to deflect accusations that this was some sort of Masonic conspiracy, which it was not. The entire episode is a classic internecine dispute among Celtic supporters, but with the comments made to Uefa, the story was parcelled up for the Record by a Strathclyde Police spokesman.
The Daily Record reported, “A spokesman for Strathclyde Police said: “For Eddie [Smith] to speak to the delegate after the match is nothing out of the ordinary. In fact, it is standard practice””. This is completely irrelevant.
Celtic’s retort in the same article got to the heart of the issue – why the police are speaking to Uefa and the media but not speaking to the club: “This is quite unprecedented as no issues were raised to the club during the match and the police didn’t inform us directly about their concerns.”
Control over media communications from Strathclyde Police falls to Director of Communications, Rob Shorthouse, (pictured on the left). Shorthouse, whose own favourite team have taken a reputational battering from Uefa in recent seasons, despite silence from the police, should be concerned that the force have given newspapers material for three days of screaming headlines instead of addressing the key concern about departure from established procedure. This has only inflamed a volatile situation between Celtic fans and officers on the ground. Shorthouse, who held a similar position at the SFA until two years ago, will be familiar with the sensitivities of football issues.
Perhaps a Freedom of Information request will reveal who leaked a story that laid out details which reflected so badly on Celtic. All we want is equal treatment, as a former chairman once commented.
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The reason the GB sing, can you hear (insert stand) sing, is to let us know who’s turn it is to respond.
But we all knew that, right? :O).
Despite all the sideshows there is no excuse for on field failure this year?
just a clarification on last nights key point
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Saint Stivs says:
15 November, 2011 at 21:46
Well done them bhoys in Green,
waving the Gold Harp on the Green, something that might get the player arrested in Glasgow.
The Green Brigade, THE CELTIC WING of the CELTIC SUPPORTERS.
They get my support over the police , the QC,the meeja, the police and the SFA, and the crooked refs and our board .
I havnt seen them do anything I wouldnt do myself as a bhoy . Ive met a few of them now and contrary to the popular misconception, these lads are articulate, passionate, fair minded and above all else CELTIC to the core.
there are people in the section from 10 to 60 (sorry VMHAN).
100% behind them.
Cults
Thats whats cost us dearly over the past couple of seasons. Feckin sideshows and players blowin their mouths off and cant back it up on the park!!!
In defence of the GB.. What would the atmosphere be like without them.
Fred
I just think the hint to respond could be done by maybe synchronised coughing, semaphore or via the medium of interpretative dance.
:-)
Off to bed now. Lenny, get that lot sorted out for Saturday and bury the ghost!! H H
JFK,
I think says it best.
the world is small, when your enemy is loose on the other side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKLjSudFY_8&feature=related
Hi Ghuys, Salve salve;-
Appears to have been developments tonight on RTC
rangerstaxcase says:
16/11/2011 at 9:07 pm
Dave
No. The names have not been posted to the best of my knowledge. Let’s keep it that way.
James Mortimer’s name comes up as part of the story, but Whyte vigourously denied it. So that cannot be true. The story doing the rounds is much more ominous- and before anyone asks, it does not involve paramilitary groups.
rangerstaxcase says:
16/11/2011 at 8:50 pm
I am still piecing events together and should have an update blog post by Friday. No significant changes in trajectory of this story, but a few bits of nuance and attempted deflections.
Barcabhoy has probably heard the same names that I have. Those names should not be mentioned on here on pain of having your IP address / email details published. You drop me in it, and all promises of privacy are off.
This statement on my part should be a clue given what I have published about almost everyone else connected with this case.
Ominous for who, us or thems?
Greenwells
Flamma fumo est proxima
Football and Bobby Sands and Aiden McAnespie and the BOTOB are linked through one thing–a sense of justice. There is no point in asking Rangers supporters do they understand the concept of justice, because it has never been in their psyche. The football leader, by the way, is to draw you into the argument. The bile from a lot of so-called “Premiership” teams supporters should see a fair proportion of the “supporters” locked up. Mosley is not that far away. Reasoned debate is derided–just look at what passes for journalism in Scotland. Indeed, the BBC, which should be a beacon for fairness, is a slavering lickspittle to a Masonic/John Knox outlook. The whole problem is education. Catholic schools provide that. Balanced, wide ranging, thoughtful. As a teacher, I would have no hesitation in sending my grandkids to one. In Scotland they are seen as a split between communities, instead of what they are, a brilliantly positive statement of the joys of a proper education. I’ve posted here before on the fact that I go to Mass every time I’m in Scotland. I think it’s because I feel I must do it for a religion that unfortunatly, a lot of Scots would do away with had they the power. Celtic is a power for good. Come to us. What are you? COE, COS, Mormon, Hindu, Buddist, Presbyterian, Methodist,7th Day Adventist—come and watch football with your fellow man.
Raymac
smashin post !
night, lad
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/284141/Ex-Ger-warns-Celtic-it-will-be-tough-to-keep-Forrest-
They wish!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Raymac says:
17 November, 2011 at 01:04
When the Orange Order fund Catholic education we should get rid of catholic schools no? and all these other schools Mormon, Hindu, Buddist, Presbyterian, Methodist,7th Day Adventist as the democratically elected lawmakers shall make no law respecting
an establishment of religion or prohibit the the free exercise thereof , would you agree?
Paul67
So McBride runs a stop sign and gets pulled over by a hun cop.
He thinks that he is smarter than the hun because he is McBride QC extraordinaire
and is certain that he has a better education then any hun cop.
He decides to prove this to himself and have some fun at the hun cops expense!!
Hun cop says,” License and registration, please.
“McBride says, “What for?”
Hun cop says, “You didn’t come to a complete stop at the stop sign.
“McBride says, “I slowed down, and no one was coming.”
Hun cop says, “You still didn’t come to a complete stop. License and registration, please.”
McBride says, “What’s the difference?”
Hun cop says, “The difference is, you have to come to complete stop, that’s the law. License and registration, please!”
McBride QC says, “If you can show me the legal difference between slow down and stop,
I’ll give you my license and registration; and you give me the ticket. If not, you let me go and don’t give me the ticket.”
Hun cop says, “Sounds fair. Exit your vehicle, sir.
McBride QC extraordinaire exits his vehicle.
The hun cop takes out his baton and starts beating the 7 colors of keech out of McBride and says,
“Do you want me to stop, or just slow down?”
2010 Never Again
http://www.wolfetonesofficialsite.com/statement.htm
To whom it concerns:
I am appalled at the policy of the Celtic Football Club board in the manner in which you have attacked the song traditions of Ireland. Allow me to point out that Irish song and the story it carries is not one of bigotry or hate, but one of survival, of a fight for freedom against tyranny of a fight against racialism and against bigoted legislators and despotic governments. It’s a story of a people fleeing hunger and disease and of a people evicted from their homelands by ruthless landlords.
By banning or outlawing a song is morally wrong and really is just a cosmetic exercise to pacify bigots. It ignores the real problem, which lies at the heart of the society that feels a need of this oppressive action, sectarianism and racial discrimination are the main problem. Ask any Catholic who has sought a house or position of employment over the years and he will tell you about discrimination it is nothing to do with music or song which is just a reaction to the problem.
Study the music of the world and you will understand its beginnings its reasons and inspiration. Did America ban the music of the civil rights movement, which drew its energy from the suppressed black community there. What spawned the musical protests in South Africa that gave a voice and hope to a down trodden
victims of apartoid. Get rid of sectarianism and injustice in the society and the song is just a song it’s a harmless story. WHAT ARE THE REASONS WE REQUIRE TO BAN A SONG, DOES IT JUST HAVE TO BE IRISH. WILL WE GO AS FAR AS BANING THE FLOWER OF SCOTLAND OR SONGS ABOUT BONNIE PRINCE CHARLIE or the JACOBITES ARE THEY REBEL SONGS. I think not, try it and you will meet with opposition. Will we ban Braveheart from the cinemas because William Wallace fought against the English is it a rebel movie.
I think you are treating your loyal supporters with less than respect and as immature brainless people who cannot make a decision for themselves, who don’t care about the society they live in, who cannot make a choice as to what song to sing. Ask yourself the question, what were the origins of the great club Glasgow Celtic and I believe you will find all the answers. Celtic have the best supporters in the world and their traditions history or ethnic background should not be insulted. Surely our supporters have the right of expression just as the national rugby supporters have the right to sing the flower of Scotland.
The policy you have now embarked upon is unjust and oppressive and if you study history it was counter productive in the past.
There is a history of outlawing and banning songs and songsters against the Irish and the Scots , Yet there is more so called seditious music surviving from these traditions than from any other country in Europe. Many harpers and bards were beheaded, many minstrels were exiled or imprisoned for carrying the story of their people. STILL THEIR MUSIC LIVES ON TO THIS DAY.
These were the policies of power hungry oppressive governments who needed to suppress opposing opinions in order to maintain power. Are these policies to persist into the 21st century are they not out dated. It is a shame upon a society that needs to suppress a song, the symptom of the problem while ignoring the cause. Why is it that the Irish song tradition is attacked as a problem, they are not sectarian or bigoted in words or expression but carry the story of the Irish peoples struggle against oppression, hunger and injustice.
It’s the story of human misery and suffering of a fight against famine and disease and then a fight for freedom and human dignity. This story has as much right to be told as the story of Scotland or any other land. Are we to ban the songs of the great heroes of Scotland like Rob Roy or the great highland chieftains, no, It would not be just and I would oppose it.
When England ruled Ireland she attacked the freedom of the press on many occasions across the centuries, they closed down newspapers who spoke out against them. During the 1790’s they closed the Northern Star in Belfast run by Samual Neilson a united Irishman and Presbyterian who tried to rid Ireland of religious division.
The same happened in Dublin when they closed down a paper called the press the organ of a movement that was trying to bring the people of Ireland together and give equal justice to all regardless of religion. They fostered Orangism and bigotry in order to keep the people divided. Pitt said that the Irish must not be allowed to unite because if they do we will lose Ireland.
Sectarianism was encouraged and used to place a wedge between the people they feared the union of the PROTESTANT AND CATHOLIC and used orangism to ruthlessly put down the United men who had tried to develop a country where all religions could live with equality and peace. You see it was never in Irelands interest to be sectarian. Then they banned the songs the singers when the music was the last means of expression left to the downtrodden people. They then banned the wearing of the colour green and tortured and persecuted the citizens until the united Irish movement was driven underground or to America.
Ireland and Scotland have so much in common and have had a intertwining history across the centuries. Scoti is the latin word for an Irishman and so derived the name of Scotland the land of the Irish. In the middle ages Ireland was known as Scotia major and Scotland as Scotia minor.
Robert de Bruce and his brother Edward were very much aware of their Irish ancestry and fought with the Irish chieftains to win a united Irish kingdom. Colmcille from Donegal brought Christianity and learning to Alba now known as Scotland.
The Irish brought a music language and a way of life with them, which we share as a common heritage to this very day. We are brothers and sisters of the same seed so why should there be bigotry or division. The only thing that can keep us apart is ignorance or fear or the policies of division that were pursued in the eighteenth century. The story should be heard and then it can be understood there is nothing to be feared in the story of Ireland or its song.
The Wolfe Tones have carried the story of Ireland to the world for 35 years and have been acclaimed and honoured in many countries. We have received the keys of Cities and were given many civic receptions, we have citations from assemblies and parliaments and are welcomed and sought after everywhere. We have played in almost every major concert hall in the world, from Carnegie hall N.Y. to the famous Paris Olympia, the Albert hall London to the Victoria hall Melbourne. Why is there a problem in Glasgow. Why are the Wolfe Tones and Irish song and music insulted and made a scape goat for what is a sectarian society. We love Glasgow and its people and only bear goodwill towards Celtic or our supporters.
My grand parents lived and worked in Glasgow. They returned to Ireland when my mother was four. Glasgow and Scotland are part of the folklore of the family. I have been a supporter of Celtic since I was a baby. I was often put to sleep or danced on my uncle’s knee to Hail Hail.
I am proud of my connection with Glasgow I am proud to be a Celtic supporter but it hurts to be a victim of racist or discriminatory policies. I composed songs referring to the great club and supporters, like My Heart is in Ireland and Celtic Symphony. We have brought an awareness of Celtic to our audience across the world and of course in Ireland which has assisted in popularising the club to a point that it now rivals Man U. in the hearts and minds of the Irish.
I hope that you will redress the awful injustice and rethink your policy concerning Irish SONG by all means speak out against sectarianism but don’t include the WOLFE TONES as such. We have taken the name of a great Irish patriot a Protestant whose ideals sought to unite and rid the country of this evil. YOU can look through the words of a thousand Irish songs and find no referance of sectarianism in them. Thank you for giving me your time
With best regards
BRIAN WARFIELD
Imatim and so is Neil Lennon says:
17 November, 2011 at 05:42
Maybe I am out of touch but what Irish songs have our illustrious Irish bored actually banned?
Good morning friends from a pretty wet and horrible East Kilbride.
However, the football is almost back and I for 1 can’t wait.
Jobo
Reposting this,as it appears that certain names are being bandied about. I was in Kilwinning last week an’ a’ an’ naeb’dy said nuthin’!
Bunchamasonicbas…..ooops,sorry.
Anyway,try and keep the speculation to a minimum,fellas. The mere suggestion of the name being mentioned clearly put RTC himself in a blue funk(sorry)
Don’t give PAUL67 any hearties wi wild guesses-or even informed ones.
Please.
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Greenwells Glory says:
17 November, 2011 at 01:01
Hi Ghuys, Salve salve;-
Appears to have been developments tonight on RTC
rangerstaxcase says:
16/11/2011 at 9:07 pm
Dave
No. The names have not been posted to the best of my knowledge. Let’s keep it that way.
James Mortimer’s name comes up as part of the story, but Whyte vigourously denied it. So that cannot be true. The story doing the rounds is much more ominous- and before anyone asks, it does not involve paramilitary groups.
rangerstaxcase says:
16/11/2011 at 8:50 pm
I am still piecing events together and should have an update blog post by Friday. No significant changes in trajectory of this story, but a few bits of nuance and attempted deflections.
Barcabhoy has probably heard the same names that I have. Those names should not be mentioned on here on pain of having your IP address / email details published. You drop me in it, and all promises of privacy are off.
This statement on my part should be a clue given what I have published about almost everyone else connected with this case.
Ominous for who, us or thems?
Greenwells
Flamma fumo est proxima
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Just some light breakfast reading for you all………
Gooooooooooooooood morning …
C………..
Q…………
N…………..
BigjoefromAnotSoSunnyCostaBlanka
Margaret McGill says:
17 November, 2011 at 05:48
Imatim and so is Neil Lennon says:
17 November, 2011 at 05:42
Maybe I am out of touch but what Irish songs have our illustrious Irish bored actually banned?
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2010 Never Again
Peter Lawwell has made it clear any songs with mention to the provos are frowned upon and should stop. Don’t think any official ban yet
And while I’m at it,a huge thanks to IMATIM for his WOLFETONES post,above.
Everyone knows I think The Celtic Symphony should be banned for offences against music,but I defy ANYONE-on this site or elsewhere-to come up with a convincing counter to the argument put forward so eloquently (mostly)by Brian Warfield.
I can think of one or two,though,who will try!
Jobo
What are you doing talking about football.
You do know if we all talked football that might win us the league. Ask Cultsbhoy. He knows all about how it works.
Now stick to Meteorology cause that’s your gig.
The gig that will keep football out of focus. You wouldn’t want the Celtic team thinking about winning now. Would you.
C’mon you Bhoys in… Erm what colour do we play in again?
Glasgows… Erm colours I canny mind.
MWD
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS says:
17 November, 2011 at 07:07
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2010 Never Again
How about a run down on what’s going down.
Just pre-fox everything with “allegedly” <:-))
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS says:
17 November, 2011 at 07:20
And while I’m at it,a huge thanks to IMATIM for his WOLFETONES post,above.
Everyone knows I think The Celtic Symphony should be banned for offences against music,but I defy ANYONE-on this site or elsewhere-to come up with a convincing counter to the argument put forward so eloquently (mostly)by Brian Warfield.
I can think of one or two,though,who will try!
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2010 Never Again
No thanks to me my friend. There was a link on here earlier. Now fez up! What’s going down?
2010 Never Again
What time do you all think the trolls will appear?
I notice they are staggering their appearance times. Really has us all fooled huh <:-))
Following the comments by the SPL chief Neil Doncaster, controversy is good for the league, BBC Scotland continued with the Neil Lennon is an angry man last night replaying those images of the handbags with Sally, i wonder if Neil is entitled to some money for being used to promote the SPL around the world
Back to Neil Doncaster, are we all watching one giant x factor now, is the SPL so devoid of footballing talent we need to sell the league via other means, operation save Rankers has to continue of course, im sorry but i now am very sceptical about the farce we now see on a weekly basis, Celtic sold many season books against the backdrop of what happened to Neil Lennon, if operation save Rankers lets them have the SPL title this season, what controversy will be required to sell season books at paradise in the summer, who wants to write the ending to the soap opera for season 2011-2012
Good morning from MK where we’re promised sunny intervals.
I’m a little perturbed that a Uefa referral for ‘illicit songs’ can cause such furore, it appears we’ve got ourselves into a mucking fuddle about what is in the grand scheme of things something that is quite insignificant at the minute.
Why is everybody so animated about a referral that is so vague? Lets all just take a breath and wait for the Uefa hearing on the 8th Dec when we should find out some detail and then we can have a meaningful debate.
IMATIM
I’m honestly as in the dark as you are,but the original post was from our old pal and financial whiz BARCABHOY on RT at 1827 yesterday. Or thereabouts.
Reaising the sensitivity of the allegations,he did not name names.
It certainly explains some of the reactions I got from the usual in-crowd when I was home at the turn of the month,the same mates who were fine at the time with giving me details of the Neil Lennon bombs campaign.
By the way,of the two arrested,I know one of them well,and I would not trust him to buy the petrol. So who was really the guilty party,and why are they still at liberty?
Chaps…………
What’s your thoughts …….,,
James Forrest……….
11 million………………..
Should we …… Or would we……..
BigjoeBobbingaboutOnaBoat
Blinkin’ flip! Laptop and Desktop keys don’t work the same…..
RT=RTC
The C is for case,though personally it could mean choob!!!!!!!!!
BIGJOE 0739
He was gonna leave for nothing when he heard we’d been referred to UEFA,but fortunately he thought better of it.
Dunno about NEGANON2 though,he still seems set on the off. I wish you well on that,mate-it’s a big step.
You obviously can’t be referring to the other JAMES FORREST of this parish,as £11m is peanuts for a player of his burgeoning talent.
“Perhaps a Freedom of Information request will reveal who leaked a story that laid out details which reflected so badly on Celtic. ”
excuse my french but bollocks like this really annoys me.
would you say the same about whoever has been leaking whatever to the rangers tax case site?
scottish football is toxic.
theres no other word for it.
from both sides.
i’ve sat here looking at everyone spouting their nonsense and i think its about time you all had a good hard look at yourselves.
i see no difference between people on here and the scum sites. you are all idiots.
*pointless post CSC or whatever*
Dunno aboot J.F the evangelist on the blog, and You only ever see negAnnon on this site when we are doing shite.
But yes…………..
I wiz talking about oor bhoy, Forrest James.
11 million is 11 million ……………
But…………………………
I would keep him. As he will be far better than anyone can imaginbigjoerunnigootOtextsontheIphone
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS says:
17 November, 2011 at 07:42
Blinkin’ flip! Laptop and Desktop keys don’t work the same…..
RT=RTC
The C is for case,though personally it could mean choob!!!!!!!!!
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2010 Never Again
Is that choob you mention in relation to your good self or in regards to the RTC?
IMATIM
RTC disnae dae typos!
AmachoobCSC
Though having said that,I’ve been called worse.
Quite recently,too.
ANTONSLEFTFOOT seems to think we’re ALL idiots!
Ah,well,takes all sorts I suppose.
Hope that hangover lasts,buddy……
Morning all..
Are the papers trying to sell our players again…zzzzzz, oh and it’s our in form player too, just like it was Kris Commons last year, blah blah blah oh have we got a crucial game this weekend??
Don’t believe the Hype.
SP