It doesn’t really matter to me how other people write their own history. If Queens Park claim to be the same Club as the Queen of Clubs, they are welcome to, as long as they respectfully allow me to express scepticism. Fortunately, Queens Park’s business model is not dependent on making such an outlandish claim.
A whole lot of nonsense has been written on the subject of a recently liquidated football club, “it was the holding company that was liquidated”, when it wasn’t actually a holding company, and then we have claims about advice from a “panel of the London Stock Exchange”, which was quickly withdrawn.
We are asked to believe that a football club cannot go out of business. It’s an interesting thought, not one I subscribe to, but interesting nonetheless. If you are happy with this belief, fair play to you, it doesn’t matter what anyone else believes.
I’ve met Jim Spence. He’s a guy who emerged from the Dundee Untied fanzine world and established a reputable career in the game. His affinity for United has never been hidden, nor should it be. United, as all clubs, have gone through periods of turmoil but Jim has called things as he has seen them, with his own club, and with others.
This week Jim made a comment about a football club which went into liquidation. It was more tempered than comments made by a former manager and director of the liquidated club, by the chief executive of its successor club, by all the contemporary newspaper coverage, and by the successor club’s current head of PR. Despite this, Jim has been on the receiving end of a sustained campaign by the thought police.
Jim may privately think what those at the successor club once said, but if he also wants to express those thoughts, the consequences can be acute.
He’s not alone. I know others in the media who have told me straight that they are not prepared to touch the Newco/Sameco subject, the resultant hassle is not what they got into journalism for.
Charlotte Fakes has given us a glimpse into how powerful people can manipulate and control Scotland. It has given reason to pause ahead of next year’s big decisions. The BBC and only the BBC are strong enough to stand up against bullying, you can forget the commercial media for one simple reason, this subject is the equivalent of commercial self-harm.
It wouldn’t seem like the weekend without Rangers International writing about going legal on someone or other, although I suspect they’ll be content having played to the gallery with this one and not trouble the BBC, but questions remain for the BBC, no matter what happens next.
I consume enormous volumes of BBC output every month, it is my first port of call for news, and often my last. It is one of the best aspects of British life, but if it can be intimidated like the commercial media, there is no point in it existing in the first place.
Fortify your journalists or shut the doors.
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.PFayr supports WeeOscar
You are completely wrong.
We do not have an owner.
Majority shareholder, yes.
Nobody owns Celtic.
ElDiegoBhoy
I lived there for long enough to know that I didn’t want to raise my kids there, they suffered cos their Da was a Celtic supporter.
Me living in a hun free enviroment has got nothing to do with what I feel about what the scottish authorities are doing, I chose to get the eff out.
And why should you suffer ?, what are you doing about your suffering ?
That disny work for me.
Sorry mate.
HH
The Singing Detective Demands The Resignation Of Campbell Ogilvie ,
I credit Paul67s posts when they deserve it, it is regular but todays comment, IMO, isnae a guid Wan.
Radio or TV transmission
Just need Wan mair goal in the Brazil game for an over 4.5 goals win.
Brazil are looking good, despite the crowd being shockingly low, they Will be in the Final next year, IMO.
Brazil are amazing exponents of the football we All Love.
TET
That’s a poor reply. My daughters are excelling in this hun land. I’ll catch you offline.
http://t.co/XkDSq9U9zG
This from tha@holes I mentioned earlier
TET
It might not be easy but each of us
have a responsibility to try and make Scotland
a more fair and equal society for the generations
to come.
HH
Larrybhoy,
Miki was engaging with all he met here and I’m really sorry to hear your news.
Michael will be sorely missed.
My thoughts & prayers are with Michael and all your family. God bless.
Pato on…..
Wow, this guy is a playa!!!
Bring on the Milan.
If we win in Milan, I think we will get at least a draw there, then we will set the Cat amongst the Pigeons.
ElDiegoBhoy
This is what you said to me…….
Won’t disagree with you but you don’t have to suffer it the way we who live here do.
I replied I didn’t want to bring my kids up there, where, as you have said you are suffering.
I am delighted that your daughters are doing well, they are not the issue.
You had another dig, fair enough.
I am as entitled as the next man to air my views on the state of the country, and the effect it’s having on the club I love.
Take care.
HH
http://www.scribd.com/doc/148828922/Rangers-FC-Memorandum-and-Articles-of-Association
Top of page 8 company and club the same now in liquidation
miki67
Ah Michael, that I could have a tenth of your spirit. Rest in peace.
Djbee
DD is the owner of CFC
He calls the shots
To think otherwise is to ignore the obvious
Sad to hear the news of Miki67
His strong character and take-no-prisoners attitude was there in all his posts and made great reading.
RIP
Gordon64
I agree 100%, I chose to leave, I felt that my kids were suffering unjustly, it still doesn’t stop me having an opinion on what is happening.
HH
DJBEE
always were, always will be SCUM…
Petec…..
The BBC Was ONCE One Of The Best Aspects Of British Life….
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Most Surprised That Lustig Was Required To Join Up With The Sweden Squad Following His Injury At Tannadice……
Even Bigger Surprise When He Was Selected To Play….
Hope His Activity…Is Not Going To Compromise His Fitness For The CL Ties…
Not much on CQN but in and found shocking news about Miki6
7.
Again, ElDiegoBhoy’s wife and Micki67. When I thought the battle started to be won soon, good people pass awat . Life is cruel sometimes.
sipsini
Each and every one of them know they participate in a bizarre, perverse charade. I just can’t fathom the mentality that would allow them to live a lie, both individually and collectively. It’s a truly strange phenomena.
Years ago I remember watching TV. The programme was about the Amish sect in the USA. The programme stuck in my mind because an Amish father slapped his son after he stated the earth was round.
That is what is happening here.
Neymar and Messi with probably the best ever Centre Mid, Xavi, behind them against Celtic.
No contest.
If we get a Draw in the Camp Nou, it will be amazing. We are gonnae have to up our game frae last season to beat Barca this Season at the Holy Ground called Celtic Park.
Celtic are going places, hopefully Lisbon once again.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2dsnvus&s=5
These shares are worthless now as the club and company are in liquidation
BBC1 Last Night of the Proms
Next two dedicated to Miki67
Danny Boy and YNWA
petec
Draw in the Camp Nou ? Pah…seen it ..done it.
A lot of contributions to the Jim Spence ‘old club died’ debate from Sevco fans has been quite strange to witness.
Their argument appears to centre on various bodies (the SFA, Alex Thomson, the BBC Trust … ) having said at one point or another that Sevco was the same club as the deady bears.
So, it seems to me, the tactic appears to be to issue threats to anyone who says they are not the same club and then use their acquiescence as ‘proof’ that they are the same club. This is mental.
TET
You are doing your bit amigo.
Almost a sell out tomorrow.
The Celtic community at it’s very best.
HH
The Singing Detective Demands The Resignation Of Campbell Ogilvie
21:50 on 7 September, 2013
Petec…..
The BBC Was ONCE One Of The Best Aspects Of British Life
__________________________
Yes, mos def, the fine Zybs also credits the BBC so much frae way bacH when Totalitarianism Communism was all consuming.
sipsini
It’s been many years since I had to suffer them, and I do admire bhoys like you who have to on a daily basis.
I was fortunate that I had a trade that I could take elsewhere to make a living, and I exersised that choice.
Ironicly my kids now live back in scotland, their choice, but they are well away from the crap that you bhoys have to endure.
HH
….PFayr supports WeeOscar
With all due respect DD does not own Celtic.
To say that he does is simply not true, nobody owns Celtic, see Fergus McCann he set it up that way, no one person would ever own Celtic.
Majority shareholder, yes.
Nobody owns Celtic.
If you want to dispute it then I suggest you contact Fergus.
Yogiy
21:58
Very good spot.
The mezzo-soprano is Joyce DiDonato. But that’s her married name. Her own name is Joyce Flaherty, the sixth of seven children in a close-knit Irish-American family.
Give it laldy, Joyce.
big-cup-winners,
Rednecks the lot of them.
Ricky burns fight on…hope he wins.
sorry for the language and if this has already been posted….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqtqVfdQ0dg&sns=em
Deepest sympathies to Miki’s family on their loss. As a longtime reader of CQN, his posts were always entertaining and knowledgable, one poster I would never be scrolling past.
RIP Miki.
This Oldco/newco nonsense.
It’s really quite straightforward.
Rangers Football Club was founded in 1872. That very same legal entity became incorporated as a limited company in 1899 and became The Rangers Football Club Ltd. That very same legal entity became a plc under David Murray’s reign and became The Rangers Football Club plc. That very same legal entity went into administration in February 2012 and was liquidated in June 2012. It died.
The assets of the dead entity (stadium, training ground, car park) were purchased by a completely new legal entity (Sevco 5088 Ltd) in order to start a football club. That new entity was allowed to start in the fourth tier of Scottish football after SPL clubs refused to allow it to take over the SPL share of the dead entity. Some employees of the dead entity agreed to transfer over to the new entity. Others did not, as was their legal right.
The new entity, being entirely distinct from the dead entity, had no liability for the debts of the dead entity. All well and good for the new entity (not so good for the creditors) but because the dead entity and the new entity are
entirely separate, the new entity cannot claim the history of the dead entity. It can call itself ‘Rangers’, it can play in blue, it can operate at the stadium it purchased from the dead entity, it can attract the same paying customers as the ones who paid to watch the dead entity, and it can employ staff who agreed to transfer over to it from the dead entity, but it cannot, as a very simple matter of law and indeed of logic, claim to actually be the dead entity or seek to claim the history of the dead entity.
RFC 1872-2012 RIP
YNWA coming up.
Going out round the parks, including Glasgow Green. Bound to get a great rendition from those people who have gone along with their wee union flegs for a bit of Pomp and Circumstance.
On yersel Joyce, hen.
YNWA on the proms now bhoys!
Stans game is on BT for those that cannae attend.
Walk on Miki !!!
YNWA on BBC1