Celtic surrendered another two points to fall further behind in the championship race, drawing 0-0 at home against Hibernian. It was a unorganised looking performance from the home team who gave Graham Stack little to do in the Hibernian goal.
Gary Hooper squandered Celtic’s only gilt-edged chance of the game when, after playing a one-two with Anthony Stokes, he struck the outside of the post with Ki available for the square pass. Anthony Stokes had earlier tested Stack, who failed to hold the ball but did enough to clear.
When the same teams met on Wednesday James Forrest transformed the game when he drifted inside but he spent most of today’s game adrift on the right wing. On two occasions he cut inside with purpose, once testing Stack with a blistering shot from 22 yards and later when a 25 yard pile-drive struck the crossbar, but Hibs were content to limit Celtic to such speculative efforts.
Neil Lennon was justified in his criticism of his front pairing of Stokes and Hooper today but Celtic were equally clueless in midfield. There appeared to be no cohesion and there was certainly not a productive match plan.
Motherwell’s away win in Inverness gives the Lanarkshire side a three point lead, having played a game more, going into next week’s crucial game against Celtic at Fir Park. Manager-less St Johnstone dropped three points at home this afternoon, leaving them four points behind Celtic in the fight for the last Europa League place.
This is where we are people, scrapping between Motherwell and St Johnstone. Get used to it.
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Slan_Abhaile……..BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE
How do we make it happen?
SwanseaBhoy
For what it is worth I thought and hoped we may have turned the corner with a few spirited performances recently.
I now think the current management and players of the club are incapable.
When things were not going well on the pitch I instinctively looked at the bench for something.
I saw no movement, no attempt to support, cajole, motivate, change formation or anything close to that.
It then hit me that the current set-up are not capable of improving things and we will continue to drop points and fall further behind.
Oiche mhaith agus coladh samh.
Árd Macha
I’m actually glad no one picked me up on my points from a previous post
Mr Stimpson says:
30 October, 2011 at 00:18
…
We have cheats and cowards in our team.
We have a board happy with second place.
I’m glad because sometimes people on here are too sensitive to critiism directed towards Celtic.
There comes a time, though, when we have to stop accepting the crap the club are feeding us.
Up against a bankrupt team for the last 4 years we have watched them take title after title.
Lawell took over the reigns in 2003, a high point for our club in terms of international results.
What are the metrics on which his bonus are calculated?
Decreasing turnover year on year?
Decreasing performance year on year?
Decreasing attendances year on year?
I could go on, but if those were targets then he’s doing a grand job.
Unless the situation is sorted the hun will take his points penalty and still win the title that is quite a thought and in my view an instant step down of the whole board and management/coaches
Slan_Abhaile……..BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE,
So it’s win at ANY costs for you?
Yer welcome to it mate. I’ll stick with Lenny, win lose or draw.
Bankrupt team for the last 4 years that spent 4.5 mill on a striker, don’t forget.
Auld Neil Lennon heid says:
30 October, 2011 at 00:51
CaltonTongues says:
30 October, 2011 at 00:43,
Apologies, but, I and many more were there. It is the worst I’ve seen for years.
Was it stunning arrogance after Wednesday?
Possibly? Eh, no, we are POOR.
TRAMPSCSC
Bombs ,bullets ,MIBS ,thugs walking free from court (Mississippi style), assaults on the park , a hostile press ,a corrupt sfa
and of course the “best support in the world “(as long as you’re winning)
Who the fe’k would want to play/Manage us under those conditions?
Glasgow/Scotland is not a very nice place to try and earn a living if you happen to be of a Tim persuasion.Ask all the Ex-pats if you think I’m wrong
I know who I’d rather share a trench with and it would’nt be half of the watery b’s on here
Oíche mhaith
SwanseaBhoy:
With all respect, asking ME what the plan is, even if I had such a plan, is a WASTE OF TIME.
I am not the one earning a million a year to HAVE a plan.
On this site tonight, as we sit twelve points behind Rangers, we have people defending the strategy, someone trying to sell us a membership certificate even as he accuses fellow fans of not loving the club, we have people who want Lennon sacked and people who don’t. We have people discussing bullets and bombs as if those despicable actions are enough reason to stick by a manager who may be floundering, we have people talking about the latest Rangers rumours and people who want to talk about why Jim White is wearing a poppy. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly are all represented tonight in spades.
I once thought forums like this might – just might – be a genuine chance to change our club. They won’t be. Ironically that’s not what they were made for. It’s like all those relationship questions I can answer in my mates lives but have never been able to answer in my own. You can see the problems of another as clear as glass, but self analysis … some people just can’t do it.
Whatever the answers are, they’re not going to be found here. This is, to be blunt, above our pay grade.
Now, if the guy we WERE paying to have answers actually did … I suspect we wouldn’t be here right now talking about this disaster.
Chico Maldini
Auldheid
I take it you are rebuffing my apology?
Anyhow – the Motherwell, dufc and mid week Hibs games, spring to your mind because they are quickly becoming the exception to the general standard of play being offered by Celtic this season.
I don’t think this team will suddenly change to become more consistent – therefore I feel we need a new team. Not every player obviously, but I think I’m keeping less than I would get rid of.
However, the single biggest change we can make is in the direction of the club and to achieve that we need a new CEO at the helm?
Árd Macha says:
30 October, 2011 at 00:54
For what it is worth I thought and hoped we may have turned the corner with a few spirited performances recently.
That is my critism.
There is.no animation from the dugout. The changes are too late.
James Forrest is Lennon says:
30 October, 2011 at 00:48
The idea behind the scheme was to share the load of supporting Celtic more equitably and to encourage better communication with the support so that when things go bad, as they do in football, the club and support would pull through it together.
I enjoyed the experience working on it deluded as it appears to be.
PS On love. What part of the following do you display for Celtic?
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
I see very litte sign of that in your writing.
Fred C. Dobbs says:
30 October, 2011 at 00:56
Yer welcome to it mate. I’ll stick with Lenny, win lose or draw.
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That is why we are losing 4 n a row. That ‘KTF” attitude.
Keep the Faith – should be a banned phrase for Celtic fans.
It merely upholds the CFC executive establishment that continually shafts us.
KTF?
SMR – Show me RESULTS
Fred C Dobbs @ 00:47
If Neil Lennon had the same North East accent as Tony Mowbray I think a lot more on here would be calling for him to step down
Mickboy
We are where we are.
And ill support the Celtic till i die.
Back Neil or go elsewhere.
C’mon the beautiful hoops.
Naibalance out for rest of season……….does this mean extra penalty awards from the mibs to even things up
James Forrest
I get as frustrated as anyone by some of the stuff people post on here but I have to accept that people are entitled to discuss whatever they want, within the fairly broad rules Paul67 has set for the blog.
I don’t think writing things on the internet in and of itself will change anything but I do think that were a leader to emerge with a plan then forums such as CQN would be exceptional vehicles for garnering support.
As it stands no-one that I’m aware of has a feasible plan.
Celtic_First was explaining the Spanish model of ‘fan ownership’. Apparently you tend to end up with very rich men running the Clubs. Plus ca change.
SwanseaBhoy
Slan_Abhaile……..BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE,
You asked why Mogga was never given the same latitude Neil has been given.
I gave a reason why…they tried to kill him because he is our manager.
Ye don’t get that?…fine.
HT, Auld Neil Lennon Heid
thanks
SwanseaBhoy says:
30 October, 2011 at 00:31
I know bud, but we’re surely about character…. if we’re not, then that – not defeats – will make me walk away. When you pledge support to someone, you stick to them, you grit your teeth, you do what your enemies wouldn’t expect… and you do the thing that makes strangers think ‘this is something special’.
Character is a long-term thing. Its why I’m a Tim… the support makes this a special thing, it transcends football
If it was anyone other than NL, I’d be calling for their head…. but I, and others here, put our wee “support Neil Lennon” tags in our monikers. They are not just words… there were no conditions….. this support has integrity. and it doesn’t come cheap.
Neil is our manager.
Show respect.
He deserves that.
Auld Neil Lennon heid:
Your membership scheme is exactly what I thought it was. Pure elitism.
“To share the load of supporting Celtic”?
Since WHEN has that been a “load” that needed sharing? When I want to do THAT I come here and talk, openly and honestly, about how I feel. And on nights like tonight, what happens is that the more honest some of us are the more we have to listen to crap like that.
You want the club and the supporters to pull together. Sounds nice. All very safe, and cosy, and New Labour Third Wayesque, and I’ve heard it before and I wanted no part of it then and I want no part of it now. Similar sentiments were used to take this country into an illegal war and another institution I love has never recovered from the damage.
When the club and the fans both WANT the same things that will come naturally, WITHOUT a “scheme” to make it so. When the club and the fans are coming to a fundamental and critical parting of the ways – as for many of us they are – then no “scheme” will make it better or look better or sound better or smell better than it is.
Love comes in many forms. For some it manifests itself in total devotion without question. For others it’s about fighting for what you care about, painful as that might be. That requires people to be honest. I love this club in spite of all its issues. I love what it represents. What you appear to be overlooking is that my desire for the club to succeed means I am at odds with the people who have caused its failure, and I can love Celtic even as I slate those who are running it into the ground.
I have left institutions before. I will always love what the Labour Party once was, whilst hating what it became. I will always be a follower of the Roman Catholic Church, despite recognising its many sins throughout the world, and I will defend the name of both and what they represent although I have left one forever and quite probably will never return to the other, because I can see the glorious intent behind them, the enormous good both still do in many, many, many ways, every single day and I love Celtic although I presently refuse to pay money I can barely afford so it can fund the lifestyles of greedy, lazy, arrogant players and the bonus of the CEO.
And I know how I feel without you telling me, and I neither seek, nor need, your approval to call myself a fan.
And as long as I live, that’s how it’ll be. “Member” or not.
Auldheid, somewhere on pg.11
“I cannot understand how or why the team are playing so badly/inconsistently. The same group earned 90 odd points last season so what has changed? Injuries apart what has changed?
I can’t understand either. So answer your question.
– changes to first team – Matthews, Wilson, Khaddouri
– less public threats to our manager;s life – possible knock-on effect regards siege mentality etc
– continued involvement in European football
– lack of continuity in team selection (not all down to injuries)
I’m not going to defend James Forrest (the CQN poster, not the Celtic player) but I am convinced you both ultimately want the same thing. Whatever problems of ego he (or you) may have, you and I and almost every poster on here wants Celtic to be great.
Some but not all of of that greatness manifests itself on here every day, or in charity initiatives across the world, or in the wide range of flags flown above Paradise in its history, or in the fact that one year my supporters bus learned the words to No Huns In Europe in Bulgarian, or to Michael Davitt laying the first sod in the new ground, or to Fergus McCann and his share issue, or to that night in Glasgow…
Some of that greatness manifests itself on the football pitch. We are not seeing that.
Hence the anger. It’s not at our failure to compete with the huns, whatever their level of corruption or (as we are used to) football lumpenness. It’s at our failure to compete at all.
You are one of the posters I respect most, purely for your words. I admire James’ writing too. More importantly, you are someone who is actively working to make things better for Celtic, and maybe you are having success I don’t know about, simply though your efforts to raise awareness or raise hackles within the SFA, the SPL and UEFA. James seems like a guy you could enlist, get together in BBs or on KDS or whatever and sort it out.
I’ve kind of stopped being a doer, I’ve become an encourage-from-the-touchline kind of guy. I, and the rest of the silent majority, want you and James to put your passion to work for us. And to prove my goodwill, get my email address from Paul and I’ll become a doer again. Let me know what I can DO for the cause, and I’ll get more people to do it.
Algarvian says:
30 October, 2011 at 00:57
what are you asking me not to forget?
That our, non bankrupt team, will not splash out on a quality player – which he undoubtedly is?
We can go back to the “Willo Window” to highlight our lack of ambition.
Jalavic and even, dare i say it, kenny miller have been great performers for them in recent years.
Telling me not to forget that they spent money on a quality striker only proves the point of our lack of ambition.
mickbhoy1888,
So it’s cos he’s Irish then? You are so far off the money there.
THEY TRIED TO KILL THE MAN FFS.
auld Neil Lennon heid @ 01:01
Love of a thing cannot be expressed in words alone ……. Show me where it is written down that being the instigator of proposed fan schemes makes you a better lover of the club than a man who is there every week just to watch some decent football
SwanseaBhoy:
Yeah mate, I am not knocking the site. I love this place. (Yes, Auldheid, I do, and every opinion in it) and the broad range of views. But the broad range of views is why we’ll never all sing from the same song sheet.
I know what you’re saying about the Barca model. And whilst I agree with you, the one difference is that the man, whoever he is, has to offer a vision to the fans, and they have to support it, and if he fails he can be removed.
That beats what we have like two nines, two twos and a Colt.45 beats four aces in a Texas poker game.
Paul67 et al
One question for you –
Is it unique that a group of players approaches the CEO to complain about the quantity and quality of the training?
That is the coaching is poor …
… And the conditioning is non existent.
If that set of circumstances came to pass what should the CEO do?
What would you do?
Really getting embarrassing now. We’re only entering November and we’re 12 pts behind. FFS this is a joke. The huns are pathetic and we’re worse, we’re struggling to compete with the hibs and St Johnstones’ of this world. Enough is enough the greatest fans in the world deserve more than this. We need quality in our team and with “OUR BOARD” we’re going nowhere. The club I love are on their knees. We’re back in 1992!!
tarrant:
Your sentiments are beautiful mate, and your passion is clear. Love them both.
I’ve asked him to meet me for a drink, at least twice in the last week by the way, and the first time I was ignored and the second time he gave me a cryptic answer about being sure we would meet when the time was right. Eah?
He has made it clear in an earlier post what he thinks of the idea. So it’s a non-starter, and this from a guy who, like you, thinks it would be to everyone’s advantage if a group of the more vocal guys on here DID get together and talk some issues out.
There are people who think some of their fellow Celtic fans are “ungrateful barstewards” and those guys are never going to sit down at the table with us, because although we want the same things we are fundamentally opposed about how we achieve them.
Let me put it this way. David Cameron claims to be about banking reform. So do the London protesters. You try getting them into a room to discuss how it can be done.
But Hell, you’re welcome to meet me for a pint any day, and I suspect Auldheid will take you up on your offer too.
I am Neil Lennon.
Reminds me of Cool Hand Luke
when all his ‘friends’ deserted him.
I’m off to my scratcher after what has been a tough day supporting Celtic.
I’ll wake up tomorrow morning still worried about our Club and still loving it.
I understand people saying Neil Lennon should not be our Manager any longer but you know what….I think he does deserve the solidarity of the Celtic support more than any other Manager in my Celtic supporting lifetime for what he’s gone through, just for the crime of being one of us. So, right or wrong, I can’t abandon him. I can’t do it.
And although I felt utterly despondent today, I can think of a dozen days when supporting Celtic has been even tougher.
That’s me done, good night one and all.
SwanseaBhoy
SwanseaBhoy:
He has the support of the fans, even those who think the job is too big for him. As a man, Neil Lennon will be a hero of mine long after he and Celtic have had a professional parting of the ways, however or whenever it happens, and there is no-one who’s been in the managerial seat in my lifetime I have ever more, or probably will ever more, want to see holding the league trophy high.
But mate, our support was a lock. It was a mortal lock. It was assured. What he needed was the support of the club, and that, my man, I do not believe he got, and if my anger is more raw than it usually is – and I’m sure that is well noted this season – it’s because of all the men who should not have been left twisting in the wind, Neil Lennon was a guy I never believed they would do it to.
If sections of our support are pushed beyond endurance and end up hounding Neil Lennon out of the managers chair, I will blame some of the people at our club for it. They will never be forgiven for it.
Gordon64 says:
30 October, 2011 at 01:24
the writing is on the wall and the signs are not good.
At the begining of the season I stated on here that this was a must win title. No ifs, no buts, no maybes. a must win.
If a section of the support believe that it is not a must win title, then i’d be interested to hear just how many titles rangers can be allowed to win before we MUST win it again.
For me this is the question. If Lenny can deliver, then great but if he doesn’t then just how many titles can we allow them to win?
The primary causes of the problems at Paradise are simple:
complacency and arrogance, caused by our financial/commercial superiority, in contrast to their peril, seeping into the playing staff.
Until we have a Celtic Football Team that remains humble, insulated from off-field matters, we will not prosper.
The board must go.
Lennon must go.
Paul Lambert is the man to lead us – someone who wouldnt buy into this superiority myth for a second.
Mr Stimpson says:
30 October, 2011 at 01:14
You said they were bankrupt for 4 years, i was pointing out that they spent 4.5 mil on a striker.
aw James, rein back man!
Tell us, what do you want for Celtic?
I don’t like the idea of Dermot Desmond being head honcho, I never have (I grew up in 70s – 80s Ireland and the guy’s as wide as, well, any other ruthless tax-avoiding privateer). To be honest, I don;’t like the idea of anyone being head honcho, so much so that they win every vote at the AGM without turning up. THAT’S elitism.
A membership scheme, socios, subs, collectivism – sounds good to me. I don’t know how it would or if it could work, but I’d certainly be interested in it. I gave up my season ticket because I couldn’t afford to go to games (bus, drink) but also as a lifestyle choice (opportunity cost was time with my youg family); but I would sign up to a membership scheme that granted me a vote in Celtic affairs, a voice in the club, a sense of belonging that being a shareholder does not give you, because Dermot’s money should not buy him a bigger share of belonging.
I said in my last posting to Auldheid that you and he are probably not fr apart in terms of where you want Celtic to be, but you have very different views of how to get there.
I have memories of sitting in Sandy Bells listening to Trotskyists arguing with Marxists while the Tories raped education in the UK. Find the bigger picture and refocus.
Fred C Dobbs @ 01:15
Well with your reasoning we should immediately promote Paul McBride QC to position of assistant manager and the Cairde na hÉireann Bhoys from the Gallowgate as the remainder of the backroom staff