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  1. twists n turns on

    Cowie bhoy

     

    Oh I’d take Brendan in a heartbeat but he’s probably waiting another opportunity in the EPL.

     

    Moyes, Rogers, Pearson. I’m just not sure PL will sanction that level of spend.

  4. Greenpinata on

    Timaloy29

     

     

    To be fair, not much positives to take from last night. I absolutely hate seeing a Celtic manager in this predicament.

     

     

    As for entitlement: we are entitled to see our players give 100 percent effort. Nothing more and nothing less.

     

     

    HH.

  5. Allgreen on

    We’re getting what we deserve. Untried, cheap compliant manager in doesn’t work shock. The players don’t look like they understand the formation and still no proper defensive midfielder.

     

    This manager could lose the league.

  7. weeminger on

    This is not a post about whether RD is up to the job or not but winning the league by what margin is acceptable? (and I still think we will – for all their reported control last night Aberdeen still needed two great saves, so they’ll drop points before the season’s out)

     

     

    As it is – 4 points?

     

    Win against Aberdeen but matched elsewhere – 7 pts?

     

    10 points?

     

    Aberdeen collapse – 17+ points?

     

     

    When did we become entitled to win by X points?

     

     

    Next up for trolling – fans are in part guilty for the downsizing.

  8. the glorious balance sheet on

    Kev Jungle 7.17am

     

     

    Hope all goes well for you today. God bless you, sir.

  14. the long wait is over on

    A new low for me last night on several levels:-

     

     

    1 – the management team ( not just RD). If anyone of them had anything about them then they failed to show it last night. Hopelessly short of motivation or tactical skills. I’ve been willing to give RD – clearly a decent and intelligent man – as much as anyone but it’s clearly over. If it were me I’d be seeking a temporary appointment for the management team this morning.

     

     

    2. The players. Played like a team looking to get their management team sacked. Lazy , lacking in fight and imagination against a team that they should have had enough nous and talent to beat even if the managers office and dugout were empty.

     

     

    3. The captain. I like Brown and think he’s actually improved the focus of his game and his first touch but he failed as a captain last night. It’s his responsibility, second only to the management team, to ensure the players do whatever it takes to win. Not just perform , not even to perform if it’s a bad night , but just to win. If that takes blood and snotters and brutalising your teammates in to a result that’s what you do. I saw no signs of that last night. Time to step up.

     

     

    4. The fans. Tin hat on but , for me , booing the team at half time and during the game is totally unproductive but perhaps unsurprising. The small(ish) section , however, that chanted “Ronny, Ronny, GTF” were nothing short of a disgrace. We might hate what were seeing and despair at the uselessness of most of the play but if we consider ourselves truly to be supporters we need to turn up in numbers and support them in adversity. Make no mistake , the whole of Scottish football smells blood now and I can’t see how we’re going to get the team over the line if the people they arguably need most at the moment throw them to the wolves.

     

     

    5. The Board. Generally, I’m in the happy clapper camp here but the RD and team experiment/ vision shows no signs of progress and, worse , is regressing alarmingly. Action is required and now. Biggest issue is likely to be the ongoing position of PL – rumours are that he is going in the summer and so DD night want him replaced before the manager is.

     

     

    Only positive from last night – we didn’t lose. Not sure how Dundee didn’t score with that header…

  15. Joe Filippis Haircut on

    Morning Bhoys a poor result last night but I dont believe we should panic now is the time for calm Ronny needs to get the players motivated for some reason that is lacking at the moment.He in my opinion also needs to settle on what is his best team and play it all this chopping and changing is just not working we have a wee break from the league on Sunday and a good result against Morton could lift the players. In the longer term im sure the managers position will be reviewed at the end of the season and currently Ronny is not looking like the man for the job but if we win two trophies the league and the cup who knows.H.H.

  19. timaloy29 on

    GREENPINATA on 3RD MARCH 2016 9:32 AM

     

    Timaloy29

     

     

    To be fair, not much positives to take from last night. I absolutely hate seeing a Celtic manager in this predicament.

     

     

    As for entitlement: we are entitled to see our players give 100 percent effort. Nothing more and nothing less.

     

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    Unfortunately, no football team avoids poor performances. The team looked low on energy last night and wasted the opportunites they did create. 11 shots on goal, only 4 of those on target and no goals speaks for itself.

     

     

    Brown and Mulgrew as a pairing is lacking in technique. Biton was sorely missed last night. Hopefully Ajer will provide an option next year.

     

     

    The suggestion that the team isn’t trying is tiresome. It’s a lazy assessment about what went wrong that’s trotted out every time we get a poor performance.

  22. TinyTim on

    If Peter Lawell were to resign,it would raise the alarm bells to an even greater level.

     

     

    It would show that DD and his board have a strategy that our CEO doesn’t feel is going to work.

     

    Our life long Celtic supporting CEO.

     

     

    Leadership comes from the top.

     

     

    Change and further investment are required.

     

     

    I suspect DD is up for change ,but feels he has invested enough.

     

     

    TT

  23. the long wait is over on

    Joe Filippis Haircut on 3rd March 2016 10:01 am –

     

     

    Genuine question

     

     

    Were you there last night?

     

     

    I doubt anyone at that game left with any confidence that RD Can def win the league.

     

     

    I’m not panicking but sometimes immediate action – if there’s even a remotely sensible alternative and I or you can’t know if there actually is- is necessary.

     

     

    He’s lost that group of players – nothing could be more obvious. They should however, as I say above, be good enough to have won last night irrespective of who’s in charge.

     

     

    tlwio

  24. dessybhoy on

    TLWIO

     

    First i have heard of PL leaving, I think the main problem with the team and the coaches is a total lack of experience, we have brought in players from Dun Utd etc who have never had the expectation to win trophies some can rise to the challenge others cant, the scouting is by and large a disaster area with a wage bill exploding and players who should be nowhere near Celtic Footbal Club on the payroll we are stuck with this until their contracts expire or we pay them off, following them should be the scouts.

     

    RD and his staff should be relieved of their duties today.

  25. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    Tony D.

     

    Good to be hearing from you.

     

     

    Ronny, Ronny G.T.F.

     

     

    Absolutely disgraceful.

     

    Shameful.

     

    Not the Celtic way.

     

     

    I could never do that.

     

    But I do understand those who do.

     

     

    However,in the unlikely event that it produces the blindingly necessary departure , then I`m afraid I would have to , at the very least turn a blind eye to it, while at the same time feeling as you do about it.

     

     

    The end never justifies the means……………..I was told.

  30. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    ITALIABHOY on 3RD MARCH 2016 8:44 AM

     

    Masty, I heard a strong rumour this week that Moyes will be manager in the summer. He has agreed to take over and Ronny is out the door.

     

     

    I can’t vouch for the veracity of this, other than to say it came from a decent source. If true, i really wonder whether Ronny has just chucked it and the players can sense it too. Look at Man City – in freefall since they announced the departure of Pellegrini.

     

     

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    Your last sentence really struck a chord.

  31. the long wait is over on

    TT

     

     

    As I said above I believe that PL will resign over the summer.

     

     

    He won’t now as it looks like capitulation but it seems he feels he’s had enough and it’s time to go/retire.

  32. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    QUONNO on 3RD MARCH 2016 10:25 AM

     

    .Sack Ronny. And then what?

     

     

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    Anybody,mate.

     

    Anybody.

  36. The Battered Bunnet on

    TinyTim

     

     

    Between net Cash and Debtors, there’s over £15M available to the club for ‘investment’. We seem somewhat disinclined to just now, as though we see an opportunity or threat in the medium term, and are preparing for it.

     

     

    There’s no need for Dermot or any other shareholder to come back in with more cash. We’ve got more liquidity than any time since we funded the new stadium.

  38. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    QUONNO on 3RD MARCH 2016 10:25 AM

     

     

    .Sack Ronny. And then what?

     

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    Dom`t sack Ronny. And then what?

  40. Davidopoulos on

    I was trying not to come on and moan but moaning is cathartic.

     

     

    Totally agree with the accusations towards the players and management.

     

     

    The players were having an absolute laugh last night. No passion or conviction whatsoever. They played that 90 mins as if it was a training match, when someone made an arse of something it was like “hey, no big deal guys”. The captain did not play a captain’s role in inspiring players, either through example or giving them a rollicking when needed. In fact the most disappointing performances came from some of the more “experienced” players – Mulgrew, Brown and Lustig. If they are the example for the others to follow then no wonder last night was so poor.

     

     

    Ronny did himself no favours either. He chose to play two players on the left wing, first Armstrong and then Forrest. Neither of those players have contributed anything to the team this season. Why did Ronny hand places to two guys who have given him nothing all season?

     

    Trust players is good, but when they don’t repay that trust you need to take action.

     

     

    I don’t want the manager sacked but I’m guessing the growing unrest is leading us to that being an inevitablity.

  41. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell

     

     

    PETER LAWWELL last night told angry Celtic fans they’re living in fantasy land if they believe he’s stockpiling millions.

     

     

    The Hoops chief executive was subject to supporter protests on Tuesday night as they crashed out of the

     

    Champions League for the second time this season.

     

     

    Dozens of fans demanded he leave as they raged over the loss of star players they insist haven’t been replaced.

     

     

    But Lawwell said: “The accusations and the push for spend, spend, spend is too simple, too superficial.

     

     

    “There is no pile of cash sitting there that we could look at, watch, feel and touch. It doesn’t exist. It is fantasy.”

     

     

    The Parkhead chief executive spoke at length yesterday as he laid out the reality of the club’s financial position as it operates with the constraints of Scottish football.

     

     

    Here’s what he had to say to the questions posed by our man David McCarthy…

     

     

    How do you respond to the criticism about lack of investment?

     

     

    We are bitterly disappointed at what has happened. We are all sharing the pain but we have to keep the head.

     

     

    The accusations and the push for spend, spend, spend is just too simple, too superficial. You need to be cleverer, especially in Scottish football’s environment.

     

     

    It is tough and there are real challenges. In terms of investment our policy our commitment is every penny that comes into the club will be reinvested, it will go back into the club.

     

     

    I do not think we can be clearer than that. There is no pile of cash sitting there that we could look at, watch, feel and touch. It doesn’t exist. It’s fantasy.

     

     

    We have a wee bit of cash reserve which gives us stability and we have money we can invest on the right players. We can do it at the right time and we have a track record of doing that.

     

     

    Lenny spent more than £30million, wee Gordon £38m, Martin was over £40m and Tony Mowbray was even £13-14m. We do back our managers financially and in every other aspect. Those are the facts.

     

     

    The frustration is these facts do not get through or people do not want to listen and are not taking them in. But those are the facts. Three years ago we were being told Celtic need Rangers, disaster, Armageddon the whole thing is going to fall apart.

     

     

    At the time I said we have a strategy that is not dependent on any other club and we are independent. That strategy is what we are doing and part of that is to bring players here and sell them to make a profit.

     

     

    We have lost millions over the period in terms of Rangers not being here and the way Scottish football is at the moment – the league does not have a sponsor and we do not have Rangers, so in order to keep our numbers up in the last two years we have given £4m back to the season-ticket holders with the £100 discount.

     

     

    So the way we have maintained our revenues is by making a profit in selling players. It is straightforward. If you look at our accounts there is no massive pile there that is being stockpiled. We can not be clearer. We can not give more than everything.

     

     

    Over the period in my time … if you get away from this madness, this frenzy in the West of Scotland, we are recognised wherever you go in Europe as one of the best run clubs in Europe, if not the world.

     

     

    That is off the pitch and on the pitch in the last 10, 11 years – my time. I have been 11 years – if we win the title this year we have won it eight times, we have been in the Champions League group stages seven times, the last-16 stage three times and at the same time Rangers and Hearts have gone bust.

     

     

    Do you agree that the quality on the pitch is less than it was two years ago?

     

     

    We invest the money, it all goes back in. We can accept the challenge is replacing the players who leave with the same quality. Over the piece we’ve got more right than wrong.

     

     

    For Fraser Forster going, we’ve got Craig Gordon. For Kelvin Wilson we got Virgil van Dijk. For Gary Hooper? Have we replaced him? Good question. But it’s not for the want of trying or investment. That’s judgment and you do get some things wrong. Every club does.

     

     

     

    We could buy a £4m, £5m or £6m player who is value. But the consequences of that are he would want the £50k to £70k a week he would get elsewhere.

     

     

    That screws up your wage structure when you already have great players here who would make a case (for the same). In the context of Scottish football a £50k-a-week player would actually be more than Aberdeen, Dundee United or any other Premiership club’s wage bill by himself.

     

     

    We don’t want to sell our big players. We don’t have to but unfortunately the golden league is only 90 miles away – not just for money, but for reputation, style and everything else.

     

     

    What else do we do? We have to be clever, smarter. We have to bring in players who are undervalued, no matter where they come from, and develop them. Make them jump higher, run faster, last longer, more technically aware and then put them in the team and see how we go.

     

     

    What do you say to the Celtic fan who says he isn’t getting value for money?

     

     

    We still have just under 40,000 season-ticket holders. Number one, a Celtic supporter supports the club through thick and thin.

     

     

    He is supporting a team which is the best in Scotland by a mile, a club which has ambition and which is one of the best run clubs in the world.

     

     

    But it looks like downsizing.

     

     

    What do people mean by downsizing? That means cutting back.

     

     

    Well, in order to keep Celtic at a level with revenues dropping we are looking at our wage bill.

     

     

    Every other club in Scotland, perhaps with the exception of Aberdeen at the moment, are doing the same.

     

     

    Our own fans, in terms of engagement, are saying, “Well, we are going to win the league”. Competition is the lifeblood of sport – where is the competition?

     

     

    So downsizing? No. We are still investing the same amount of money. Our wage bill is still the same and we’ve been able to maintain it on the profit from selling players.

     

     

    You spent £3m on the new frontage to the stadium. Why not use that money on squad?

     

     

    I can understand people jumping to that conclusion. But if you scratch the surface the £3m for the frontage hasn’t got in the way of the budget. It has taken the club to a new level in terms of all aspects of quality and standards. And it’s a question of choices.

     

     

    Another question could be should we have given back £4m in season tickets with a £100 reward? There was £4m the year before that. It’s a balance and it can’t be spend, spend, spend on players.

     

     

    If Rangers were challenging would your spend be different?

     

     

    Our income would have been different so yes. Rangers going out has taken a lot of money out, not just for Celtic but out of the game.

     

     

    With Hearts going out of the league too with Hibs that’s taken money out of the game.

     

     

    But a £15m profit has been made in the past two years. Is it too simple to say half of it should be invested in the squad?

     

     

    That’s too simple, yes. It’s all about value. We invest when we think there is value. Selling players now, in effect, pays the bills. It keeps Celtic Park at the level it’s at. It keeps Lennoxtown at the level it’s at and maintains how we treat our staff, everything.

     

     

    Have you gone for the £6m-£8m player and what are the difficulties?

     

     

    Let’s take Steven Fletcher, who would cost £6m to £7m and is on £37,000 a week and is 27. That is a huge investment.

     

     

    You would go for Fletcher if there was a deal to be done for him on loan or such like. But the difficulty of getting someone up here at that level is that. We have had knockbacks from much lesser players than that level. If they want to come and play here there is then the difficulty of their salary.

     

     

    But paying £2m for players is always a gamble, particularly for a striker, no?

     

     

    There is a lot of money wisely invested but yes. There are errors we have made and the striker is the most important position. We have made errors but I don’t think it’s a gamble.

     

     

    For all the wrongs we’ve had Wanyama, Ki, Hooper, van Dijk, Adam Matthews, Lustig. You could go on and on.

     

     

    But the striker is a fair criticism. Last year when Hooper went you would think what we brought in could have done better than we have.

     

     

    That is accepted but it happens. And at every club.

     

     

    How has Ronny Deila handled his first few weeks?

     

     

    He’s coped well. I think he is following a great Celtic manager, a Celtic legend, which brings its difficulties.

     

     

    He is young. He has a lot of fantastic ideas. He’s progressive, he’s intelligent and he develops players, which fits what we’re trying to do here. Nothing prepares you for Celtic, nothing. Even Lenny, nothing prepares you for that job.

     

     

    He’s got in his own mind a change of philosophy, a change of systems and ways of doing things. And he’s got to qualify for the Champions League.

     

     

    So it’s a bit of a sh**storm. It is a baptism of fire.

     

     

    That chapter, in some respects, has closed. Not a happy ending but it’s closed and we move on. He is going to build his team and do what he wants to do without that short-term pressure. Hopefully he’s got that year in order to go and test things and take things on.

     

     

    Can you handle the personal abuse?

     

     

    You have to look where it’s coming from firstly. There is a silent majority of the Celtic support that do appreciate because the facts are there.

     

     

    If people scratch the surface they will see what is being done. It’s not just me, it’s the board.

     

     

    In terms of the abuse, I’ve been a Celtic supporter all my life. The pain hurts, in terms of results. In terms of my family – my brothers, my kids, my wife and cousins who all go to the games are who I feel for. I feel responsible for bringing that on them.

     

     

    You either put up with it or you don’t. That’s the business we are in. It’s frenzied, it’s hysterical and you either say it comes with the territory or you say, Adios”.

     

     

    Have you been tempted by other offers?

     

     

    Yes, I’ve been tempted but I’ve made the decision to stay here. I’ve had a few offers.

     

     

    So what keeps you here?

     

     

    I love the club. This is my club. Anything else would be a job, this is a passion. That would be the difference. And I have a loyalty to Dermot. I like working for him and for the board.

     

     

    But I’m 55 now and can’t do it forever. I can’t tell where I’ll be in five years … you’re only as good as your last game!

     

     

     

     

     

    © 2016 Scottish Daily Record and Sunday Mail Ltd

  42. Gary67 on

    Last night my youngest and I sat in an empty row of seats in the Main Stand. Every one of those seats belongs to a ST holder, they have all been at various times through the season but last night had decided not to (for whatever reason). In the past if ST holders around where we sit couldn’t make a game they gave their ticket to someone they knew to use, they cant give them away now.

     

    I’ll be there on Sunday (the curse of the home ticket scheme!!) and expect less than 10k in the stadium (official attendance will no doubt be higher as they will could those who don’t bother to turn up).

     

     

    The CEO must be praying for a Rangers promotion to keep ST numbers at a decent level for next season because there’s nothing on the park that would encourage people to buy again or return.

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