Following yesterday’s article on the cosy relationship between the police and Scottish Government, who are alarming a remarkably wide range of society, a flurry of information has been passed back to me, including the following notes on the Integration of Scottish Criminal Justice Information Systems (ISCJIS) database. The First Minister has stonewalled requests to breakdown religiously aggravated crime, claiming the Crown Office have destroyed their records, but my source suggests the information is available for analysis in the ISCJIS database. I’m told:
“The material stored (in the ISCJIS database) ranges from simple conviction records, to DNA, and social status. The data is used primarily for presenting Criminal History in court cases, and in identifying suspects in criminal investigations. It is also used of course to measure the social impact of changes in Legislation and Enforcement Policy, as evidenced by the current furore. It will also be used to predict the impact of such changes, particularly as regards Equality and Diversity impacts, which is a statutory requirement of any proposed Legislation. You see, the ‘missing’ data is actually necessary in predicting the impact on Equality of the Offensive Behaviour Bill.”
“Essentially, if you want to know how many Section 74 Breach of the Peace convictions (Aggravation for Religious Prejudice) or even charges, there were at a given point in time in a given court, you simply search on the Breach of the Peace Conviction Code and add the modifier code ‘P’ indicating Religious Aggravation. All such offences are then returned, with full access (rights permitted) to the Reports and Case Notes.”
To assist the First Minister, below is information on what the enquiry form he has to complete looks like. This is a link to the operation manual and if he’s really stuck he can call the helpdesk on 0141-585 – 8333.
We can only speculate why the authorities are so reluctant to disclose information on, on a subject so close to their hearts.
Quick shout for the John Thomson Memorial Fund, which is benefiting from the sale of 60″ posters for the recent stage play, check them out on ebay.
OFFENCE AGGRAVATION
DEFINITION: The code for a crime or offence that adds to the Offence Code by highlighting particular circumstances relating to the specific incident as opposed to the actual charge.
DATA ITEMS: Crime/Offence Aggravator.
PERMISSIBLE CHARACTER SET: Code field – Alpha or Zero.
RANGES/VALUES: The code field is 1 character long and consists of an alpha code, which identifies the Aggravation to the offence committed. It is possible that a charge can have a combination of up to 6 aggravations. An aggravation description may be held in a text field within individual systems and will be an automatic expansion of the Offence Aggravation code into text to specify the nature of the Aggravation.
PRIMARY OWNERSHIP: ISCJIS – maintained by Crown Office.
CODES: Over page:-
CODE Aggravation Inactive indicator
Anticipated activation date
0 No Aggravation
A Anti Social Behaviour
B Offending whilst on Bail
C Cancelled
D Domestic Abuse
E Disability
F Football
G Football Banning Order
H Harassment
I Harassment Order
J Connected to Serious Crime Y October 2010
K Offence against a child
OFFENCE MODIFIER DEFINITION: The code for a crime or offence which provides additional information for the specific incident as opposed to the actual charge.
PERMISSIBLE CHARACTER SET: Code field. Alpha, numeric.
RANGES/VALUES: The code field is 4 characters long and consists of an alphanumeric code, which identifies additional elements of the charge. The code will consist of an alphabetic character followed by 3 numeric characters. If no modifier exists, 4 0’s (zeroes) characters will be transferred. An Offence Modifier description may be held in a text field within individual systems and will be an automatic expansion of the Offence Modifier code into text to specify the nature of the Offence Modifier.
PRIMARY OWNERSHIP: ISCJIS maintained by Crown Office
CODES:- See offence modifier codes. The current
definitions are:-
A For Class A Drugs
B For Class B Drugs
C For Class C Drugs
W For Weapons
L Breach of undertaking
Y October 2010
N Sexual Orientation
O Sex Offenders Order
P Religious
R Racial
S Sexual
Q Transgender
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coorslad is Neil Lennon says:
You should think about changing your user name.
Neil Lennon does not share your views it would seem.
Enough us enough. It’s good night from me.
Estadio,
Ha!… PL1, as was I… a paradigm which was far too elegant for the Cobol robots….. but assembler, man… thats just pedantic ;)
But enough… I’m giving too much of my soul away… me with my self-image of doggerel poet, shattered in the binary mirror
good luck with the por.. err, web site
ernie lynch says: 13 December, 2011 at 21:09
I would like the board to release a copy of the charges we faced and a copy of the judgement. They have no good reason not to do so.
I would also like to know in specific detail what the reasoning was for the former referee Eddie Smith to report us to the UEFA delegate.
Was he suggesting that there was a breach of the criminal law, or was he applying the standard set by Article 11 of UEFA’s discipinary regulations?
If the former why were there no arrests, if the latter, is that part of his role as match commander?
Regarding your points;
Would these be able to be addressed through Celtic shareholders to tabling questions to the board?
Canamalar
Sorry mate but where do you mean?
neveralone says:
13 December, 2011 at 21:53
GOT
TWAT
Aye…FUD FANNY ARSE TWAT… You have no idea how I feel about these spineless Fu..TWATS…
Stringer,must get round to that,toke me about 20 attempts to put it on..
Reilly,I love the Tones,But I think Celtic have milked me more over the years,but it has stopped today..
It seems pretty obvious to me that plod have achieved whatever it was they or our board set out to as I & many other who sit next to me & probably a few on here have noticed their total lack of activity ( cctv, picking out 1 from a crowd) & general shocking behaviour ever since the story broke that we were being reported.
JimmyQuinnsBits
I bet we could bore a few of these young upstarts over an evening in front of the coal fire with foaming pints of ale, a table-full of punch cards and tickertape and memories of compilers and interpretors!
How did you know that my site was to be about Por…..tugal? :-)
Hail Hail and goodnight all
Estadio
mic1888
Stokes did ok against Rennes and got his goal, but Sammi was by far the best player in the 3-1 win.
petec
It sounds like Lenny’s going all out attack, which means we may see 4-4-2 or even 4-3-3, with Sammi left striker. I can’t see us taking anything from this game, so why not?
Overall, the Euro games have highlighted the value of players like Ki, Ledley and Samaras, while showing that others still have a lot to learn.
Hamiltontim
thats pretty much how i remember it.
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hamiltontim says:
13 December, 2011 at 21:55
Palacio67
Have very vague recollections that there was a late goal.
It was 1-1 and if I remember Raith put the ball out for a throw in due to an injured player. If I’m right we took the throw in but instead of giving it back, we put it out for another shy down at their corner flag.
They took it, we won the ball and scored directly. They were not best pleased!!!
Itv4, the fight of their lives. Benn v McClellan. Stunning but very sad at same time.
SffS
Estadio,
hell that coal fire and ale sounds good on a night like this… one of these days hopefully
G’night
ht,
I thought your question was trying to make some comparison about UEFA convictions.
IMO the dividing line is legal/illegal, imposing sanction for anything else is disrespectful, the board are showing as much respect to the Celtic support as the establishment, no good enough.
The Original Sadies Bhoy
1) Tricolour.
Bob Kelly would not have blown it out of the water without the intervention of Rangers on our side.
And the hatred of the tricolour continues. Read the jibes on any fans website for any other club in the SPL, including, for shame, Hibs and United. Now, equally, you may not fear the “nutjobs” on football websites but these people have a vote and many of them will be inclined to vote SNP on the back of this legislation. Did you see the Tartan Army spokesman at the Justice committee? He’d have to double his IQ to become a moron.
2) Irish Tosh
Gerry McNee was not an isolated figure on this issue. He received a receptive audience for this on the Programme (Scotsport, I believe) where he uttered it. He received a receptive audience from fellow journos for being a good Uncle Tim. And he even won some friends in the Celtic family- Kev Jungle of CQN regularly speaks highly of him.
So, while you and I may have no respect for him, his logic or his skills, he is more influential yet in Scottish football than you or I.
BTW, I am not arguing that Irish Songs or the Tricolour are in clear and present danger. I am suggesting that dropping “Ooh ah up the Ra” will not satisfy our enemies; it will not stop Eddie or Campbell or Stephen from demanding further UEFA punishment. It will not stop Leckie or King or Traynor from calling UEFA to task for not continuing the onslaught.
Where will Mr. Lawwell draw his line in the sand? Do you know? I certainly do not.
GOT
Good grief how erudite you are and so lucky to have feelings for Celtic apparently unique to you.
Don’t give up…how about supporting Celtic with all your might?
jc2
How can I remember that but struggle when asked who scored our goal on Saturday?! :)
Seven Fishes Four Steaks says:
13 December, 2011 at 21:50
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SFFS,
Def the game then, ties up with the dates, first weekend in September is the Port fair.
Glad we got that cleared up, btw just noticed that Dundee utd were in the first division that season, was it John Collins who scored the goal to relegate them?
HH
hamiltontim says:
13 December, 2011 at 21:55
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Spot on
HH
Auldheid – a question for you as I know you have been following the Portsmouth landlady’s case re. Televising games using a foreign package.
Has there been a definitive ruling?
The reason I ask is that in N.E. England pubs are openly advertising 3:00 games on TV involving Newcastle.
I even saw one pub’s poster had SKY and ESPN logos on it!
Was wondering what implications this may have for us?
look guys this can ruin lives…
Daughter/Son goes to the game and gets arrested for god knows what…
Rap sheet stands forever, no immigration, no foreign travel, and no job prospects…AAAGGGGHHH
Thanx Peter…
The IRA guff should have been dumped years ago.
Of course we’ve been unfairly targetted but for years and years (& not always under pressure from outside) the Club and official supporter organisations have urged that the chants stop. Not because it was illegal (or illicit, whatever that means) but it was embarrasing and offensive to some, including our own support.
We have not been clever.
Canamalar
No mate the reason I asked was that if I’m correct the huns fine didn’t come about through EUFA directly but through the issue being highlighted by another body (FACE?)
Another poster pointed out that we should have lodged an appeal on the basis that this is a first offence. I would concede that there is logic in that.
Aside from that I see nothing to be gained from going down that route mate.
What bothers me about today is that we use the so called illicit chants tune to sing about Samaras and Wanyama,what’s to stop some polisman saying the ra version was being sung when it wasn’t?
On another note,Lawwell do yourself a favour,get us Diawara.
With the best will and understanding in the world – please give it a rest. We are being lured into fighting the wrong fight on other people’s terms.
That we are singled out in Scotland? As plain as the nose on your face and always has been.
That our assailants haven’t had the support of exixting laws, which they don’t enforce – they try to change them and the current suggested changes, if challenged in the correct instance, would never pass muster.
Some of our suporters persist with chants which few of us want to hear and let the club down as well as exposing us to the current attacks. They are not illegal only disturbing to many of us and offensive only to those who find our very existence offensive.
Sooner or later someone was going to take advantage of that. How better than to use legislation which doesn’t even exist?
Neither FIFA nor EUFA permit challenges in any court which allows them to make as many daft, unreasonable,, unjustifiable, eccentrent and corrupt decisions as suit their purpose i.e. we really are the people at a level which Rangers can’t even comprehend.
WHY?
Which business, anywhere in the world (with the obvious exceptions) can declare themselves to be above the law and get away with it? Should they relegate every association which challenged them, they would soon run out of members and therefore power.
I have no idea how many generations it will take to instill some reason in Scotland – certainly more than I would wish for – BUT – if they feel the need to approach Europe to get at us, why don’t we and many others do the same?
Like it or lump it most of us live in a democracy of some sort. That means the right to free speech and inhibits the rights of those who unjustly try to prevent the concept.
Do you want to fight and win (little point otherwise)? Choose your opponent, choose your ground, find your allies and use the law for us as others try to use made-up laws against us.
Cheers
Alex
Today is 13 / 12/ 11…………sounds like a countdown to Huns demise. Of course if you are reading this in USA it is 12/ 13/ 11 which doesnt work quite as well, or where Kojo lives 13 /12/ 11.
Cliftonville beat in the league cup semi-final after extra time 2-1
14 wins on the trot comes to an end
Paul67 et al
Regardless of what anyone of us think about the IRA in any of its’ manifestations, I find it hard to believe that the Board of Celtic Football Club, would accept a verdict by a UEFA Committee, based on the evidence of one Strathclyde Police Officer. It is a form of guilt by proxy, which, despite being, ostensibly at least, the Guardian of our club, the Board, in my opinion are not privy to accept on our behalf. On all or any of our behalf. It is the acceptance of a verdict, which, whatever view we hold, (and as Ard Macha has already pointed out) criminalises Republican songs for the first time. And not only that, it provides evidence and support for the criminalisation of the Celtic Support to be found in legislation likely to be passed into law this very same week. That’s you and me! That’s all of us!
Baby it’s cold outside.
Hope it’s a bit more temporate in Italy on Thursday. :)
Hail Hail !!!
Rico
neveralone
Is there any guff that the huns sing just now that should’ve been dropped years ago?
Palacio67
Aye but they didnae half pay us back not long after!!!
Good suggestion earlier,
go to Celtic park and shhsssssssssssssss anyone who tries to sing, shhsssssss shssssss
givethe board exactly what they want for a few games, well behaved money pigs, no fuss or bother, watch the support flock to the games, enjoy the passion. Oh wait passion can become uncontrolable, need to stop that too I suppose eh.
aye hail hail
neveralone says:
13 December, 2011 at 22:08
GOT
Good grief how erudite you are and so lucky to have feelings for Celtic apparently unique to you.
Don’t give up…how about supporting Celtic with all your might?
share
How about you going and taking a good feek tae yerself…Arse…
Green Oak Tree says:
13 December, 2011 at 22:14
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Its in the courts that it will not stick, even I believe with the new hunnish laws coming in.
If found guilty take it to the European court.
HH
Hamiltotim
the only thing i am a bit unsure on is the date. I am sure i was above where the GB sit that night
but my seat is in opposite end of the ground 443 and has been since we came back from
Hampdump.
I know when we North stand was opened for the first couple of games 443 section was not finished
so was that game at that time just after North stand opened ? or to many ciders in between ?
The day of the 28th of this month arrives soon. Should we video them signing their songs, whether of hatred, sectarian and banned or indeed just some of illicit or offensive behaviour, and then ask the SFA/SPL/match commander/
Celtic board to take action OR shall we lie down.
I wonder what John Reid makes of all of this? He may not have been everybody’s hero but don’t think he would have accepted this.
HH
CRC
Lennon n Mc….Mjallby
Of course there is loads…which well illustrates my point.
Had we been clever the whataboutery would have had nowhere to go.
“Having reviewed the evidence provided by the police, we will not be appealing this decision.”
This must be video evidence, is it available to view anywhere.
OK, I can’t leave you all on the tenterhooks of history and nostalgia.
This was me when it was all about experimentation and self-discovery…..
Estadio…cool or what????
Hail hail
Estadio