Congratulations to Dundee FC who return to the top flight of Scottish football for the first time in seven years. Back in the 60s Dundee were a top European team. They won the league in 1962 and in the preliminary round of the European Cup they trounced West German champions, Cologne, 8-1 at Dens. Cologne put a more respectable face on the aggregate result two weeks later, winning 4-0 in front of 40,000 fans.
Dundee went on to beat Portuguese champions Sporting Lisbon 4-2 on aggregate in the first round proper, this while Portuguese runners-up, Benfica, retained the European Cup only five months earlier. If the Cologne result was the most enduring in the collective memory, the 4-1 win over Sporting at Dens was one of the all-time great results in Scottish football history.
Anderlecht were next victims, losing 1-4 in front of 65,000 fans in Brussels before the fairy tale ended in the semi final against eventual winners, Milan, at a packed San Siro. A Wembley final against Benfica was Milan’s prize, a tie Dundee would surely have fancied.
The result against Cologne is historically the most impressive but this was not the case at the time. This was a period before the Bundesliga when West German teams participated in regional leagues, with the winners playing-off to enter the European Cup. Once German teams were able to join a financially prosperous league instead of being shackled by historical custom, they never looked back. Dundee, like all Scottish clubs, are disenfranchised from the history they could be creating by the poor value of their TV market.
It’s time for a change, not just for the sake of Celtic! If only the guys running the show knew the history and heritage of the team promoted today, or believed in the potential of Scottish clubs.
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Chucky Green : “I don’t think there’s a time limit on it but we definately need it as soon as possible but there’s still a number of issues outstanding between Rangers and the SFA and we’re working on them now.”
NO TIME LIMIT??? Whit?
Basically if they want the old member license they’ll need to take the penalties & sanctions too and they don’t fancy that much.
Club 42 = Spartans!
Does anyone know if Jim White has the remit to say and ask whatever he wants on SSN? The hurting hun went on and on for about ten minutes, grilling Doncaster about the prospects of Sevco getting into a reformed League set-up. Will this clown ever get over it? Between him and Smudger, I’m getting tempted to call the cancellations dept.
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Marrakesh Express on 16 July, 2012 at 16:23:
Maybe he was just taking it easy. I remember seeing footage from a Brazil game around 1971/72 against either Peru or Chile and Pele was like Terry Hurlock – after the game the two teams had a mass square-go.
There is also a great clip on Once In A Lifetime when he takes out Rodney Marsh – the night before the game the bold Rod had made a snide comment about Pele in a TV interview and that was his reaction to it.
would like something like this for season 2013/14
……………………………..Scottish Super League…………………………….
…………………………………….auto euro qualifiers………………………….
1.Aberdeen
2.Celtic
3.Dundee United
……………………………..europa league play-off……………………….
4.Dundee
5.Hearts
……………………………………………………………………………………….
6.Hibernian
7.Inverness CT
8.Kilmarnock
9.Motherwell
10.St Johnstone
……………………………………..relegation play-offs…………………..
11.St Mirren
12.Ross County
13.Dunfermline Athletic
14.Falkirk
…………………………………………relegated…………………………..
15.Hamilton Academical
16.Raith Rovers
……………………………………….Scottish Champoinship…………..
………………………………………….auto promotion…………………………..
1.Livingston
2.Partick Thistle
…………………………………………..promotion play-offs…………………….
3.Cowdenbeath
4.Dumbarton
5.Greenock Morton
6.Albion Rovers
…………………………………………………………………………………………….
7.Alloa Athletic
8.Arbroath
9.Ayr United
……………………………………………relegation play-offs…………………
10.Brechin City
11.Queen of the South
…………………………………………….relegated……………………………..
12. Stenhousemuir
…………………………………………..1st Division………………………………..
………………………………………….auto promotion………………………
1.Berwick Rangers
…………………………………………..play-offs………………………………
2.Clyde
3.East Stirlingshire
4.Elgin City
5.Montrose
…………………………………………………………………………………………
6.Peterhead
7.Rangers
8.Queen’s Park
9.Stirling Albion
10.Stranraer
11.East Fife
……………………………………………relegated to regionals…………………
12.Forfar Athletic
Regional Leagues………………….promotional play-offs
canamalar
Won’t give me odds, tried PP and bet365
How Good is Aiden White?
collie .. says..”Very, Good. He is as fast or even faster than Izzy..is a Better Crosser of a Ba’..than, Izzy… is a Pape.. is English Born. but, of irish Descent.. Has been capped for Republic of Ireland.. Under Twenty Ones… Six times.
He is Twenty years of age.. is Available oan a Bozoman.. whit else?
He is Five Feet Nine.
He kin Play.. Left Back.. but, is in the opinion of Many.. a real fine Left Winger”
Lenny, likes him..
Another, Master Matthews???
Hope we get him.
Kojo
Still, Laughin’
Jennie Bond is Michael Fagan’s cousin. For a laugh she let him in the back door that night when she was round there sharing a cargo with Princess Margaret and the Queen Mother.
Michael would have escaped if it hadn’t been for Margaret’s amorous advances pinning him to the kitchen table with the cargo sent flying everywhere. Jennie was none too pleased and to this day there is a feud between the Bond/Fagans and the Windsor/Battenbergs that makes the Hatfield-McCoy feud seem like a 60’s hippie love-in
hen1rik on 16 July, 2012 at 15:44 said:
Right bhoys I’m off for some golf practice my game has suffered since Sevco have went into admin.
Are Sevco in administration? When did that happen?
Charles Green doesn’t want Rangers playing this coming season.
Kojo – He is Five Feet Nine.
Surely we have enough wee fellas.
More giants, please. (thumbsup)
Chuck Norris is scared of Jenny…
TET,
if they’ve given 1\14 on you must be able to find a bet against it, shirly.
Whats the bet they dont win :o)
Cadizzy
I had heard that Jenny and Princess Margaret were drinking buddies. I also heard that Jenny introduced HRH to snakebites or snakies as she liked to call them. They didnt see eye to eye about Mickie Fagan though . Mags would often say to the Queen that she should have flew into the wee tadger with the business end of a claw hammer- much to the delight of the QM.
Burgnich, who marked Pelé during the[1970 WC] final, was quoted saying “I told myself before the game, he’s made of skin and bones just like everyone else — but I was wrong’.
steinreignedsupreme.
i read Pele’s biography. in it he says that as a 16 year old prodigy he was being hacked stupid by older pros. His coach taught him to fight back, literally, or he’d never get the chance to blossom. I saw one clip when he was in his prime. Playing for Santos, he waltzed past 2 or 3 players and immediately spotted another hatchet man lunging in at him. His reactions were so quick that he left the ball for a split second and went over the top on the defender, doing to him what he was going to get. And in the same move, carried on running forward with the ball. He was hard as nails, brilliant in the air, razor sharp thinker, dynamite in both feet, quick and absolutely deadly as his 1300 goals will testify to. Oh, and 3 world cup medals too.
hh
Sevco5088 actually playing out a season = Jabba on a weight-loss programme.
canamalar
I will find someone to give me odds
Does anyone know why Pele has 3 WC medals when he didnt play in the 1962 WCF?
caddizy
Only just noticed your question. I make it an iron rule never to divulge my sources. But seeing it’s you – it’s quite a large bistro type establishment west of the pierhead. More than that I dare not say.
Good to see you posting again.
TET,
:o)
so I take it theres a hun on the mountain today, we were not greeted with the usual glad tiding :o)
anche gli angeli on 16 July, 2012 at 16:48
Well, Margaret didn’t actually have to like somebody to get amorous with them so we’re probably both right.
My auld man was a huge Pele fan,,,still to this day he says he is the greatest!!
Not only did he admire Pele’s skill/Strenghth/Technique but also his Steel,,he always said that Pele was a right dirty Bassa who could look after himself,,lol.something my auld man could do pretty well on a football pitch too lol!!
Hail hail
My dear,dear,dear,friend.. Philvis
Hiya,palomine..??
Still Battlin’.. away.. Ma Advice,kiddo..
Keep oan Battlin’…sooner or later… It wull don oan the Socialists oan here,
that .. Socialism,is a Busted Flush.. it his bin Tried.. and is a Damp squib.
Anyway…
Aiden White is Five Feet Nine..
In Many instances, it has bin shown that Size disnae mean much.. if a Fitba’ Player.. kin play.. well.. Fitba’
The Best Prospect whom we hiv ,at the Moment, is Undoubtedly..
JAMES FORRESTER.. and he is awe o’ Five Feet Six…in his Tom McCans.
This Youngster, lights up oor Attack , like a Roman Caunnel.
He is oor Firebrand.. a Guy who kin Take the game by the scruff of the Neck
and create a goal scoring opportunity fur wan o’ his fellow forwards… in a Twinkling o’ and Eye….by engaging in a scintillating foray..intae enemy territory..
Yep.. Sure A Guid Wee Man is Nevah is Guid as a Guid BIG MAN..
But, Guid Big Men are as Scarce as .. Snakes Fur!
So until Wan o’ they Rare Aves , Pull oan a Celtic Jersey.. which is
very unlikely tae occur, during oor lifetimes…
Ah wull be happy tae add anither Guid Wee Man, tae oor Team,anytime.
Kojo
yer pal..who likes ye mair and mairer.
Still, Laughin’…of course.
‘In 1962, his second World Cup victory, he was on the Brazilian squad at the start of the World Cup but because of an injury suffered in the second match, he was not able to play the remainder of the tournament. In November 2007 FIFA announced that he would be awarded the 1962 medal retroactively, making him the only player to have 3 World Cup winners medals’ -lifted fromWiki/EWLM/EWTB.
2007? Maybe J.Havelange jiggery- pokery?
anche gli angeli on 16 July, 2012 at 16:56 said:
Does anyone know why Pele has 3 WC medals when he didnt play in the 1962 WCF?
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Anything to do with him being the youngest player
(at that time)?
OOps..~~~
Forrest.. of course.
Sorry Aboot that.
“Ready, when You are.. C.B.! ”
Kojo
Still, Laughin’…like Heidi.
fritzsong,
you can’t trust those continentals.
Paddy Power : Scottish Div 3
Rangers 1/14
The Field 6/1
So 6/1 looks a tempting bet for Sevco not to win the league….especially if they don’t even start it (but I guess that would void the bet )
Marrakesh Express on 16 July, 2012 at 16:52:
“i read Pele’s biography. in it he says that as a 16 year old prodigy he was being hacked stupid by older pros. His coach taught him to fight back, literally, or he’d never get the chance to blossom. I saw one clip when he was in his prime. Playing for Santos, he waltzed past 2 or 3 players and immediately spotted another hatchet man lunging in at him. His reactions were so quick that he left the ball for a split second and went over the top on the defender, doing to him what he was going to get. And in the same move, carried on running forward with the ball. He was hard as nails, brilliant in the air, razor sharp thinker, dynamite in both feet, quick and absolutely deadly as his 1300 goals will testify to. Oh, and 3 world cup medals too”
Aye. But he never won a Ramsdens Cup medal.
anche gli angeli on 16 July, 2012 at 16:56 said:
“Does anyone know why Pele has 3 WC medals when he didnt play in the 1962 WCF?”
The whole squad get medals.
Havelange stood down in 1998, so not guilty. And he and Pele were far from cordial.
Marrakesh Express on 16 July, 2012 at 16:23 said:
Steinreignedsupreme.
I was at the Brazil game in 66. Bremner snapped away at Pele all night but the great man went through the motions as the game was a warrm up for the world cup a month later. Btw it was played on a saturday night.
I was at that game too.
Was a Saturday night I think a 7pm kick off.
We aw went suited up then went tae Howdens bar on Paisley Rd West then the Flamingo.
Good old days
Must have been other players who missed out on a medal because of injury etc. Suppose cos he’s Pele – bit iffy though.
Ramsdens trophy..
Fish suppers to the winning team..
MOTM gets a pickled onion too…
Mon the hoops Euro nights beckon..
I remember reading Jimmy Greaves book and he says because he didnt play in the 66 final he got niente even though he played in every game bar the Final. Maybe the rules changed then. I dont really know.
canamalar
You obviously missed my first post then !!!!!!!!!
It’ll be interesting to see how the bears react to the inevitable skelpings of their new team in division 3.
Anche gli angeli 17.10
Jimmy greaves didn’t play in quarter/semi/final games ,maybe he forgot about that.HH.