Congratulations to Dundee FC who return to the top flight of Scottish football for the first time in seven years. Back in the 60s Dundee were a top European team. They won the league in 1962 and in the preliminary round of the European Cup they trounced West German champions, Cologne, 8-1 at Dens. Cologne put a more respectable face on the aggregate result two weeks later, winning 4-0 in front of 40,000 fans.
Dundee went on to beat Portuguese champions Sporting Lisbon 4-2 on aggregate in the first round proper, this while Portuguese runners-up, Benfica, retained the European Cup only five months earlier. If the Cologne result was the most enduring in the collective memory, the 4-1 win over Sporting at Dens was one of the all-time great results in Scottish football history.
Anderlecht were next victims, losing 1-4 in front of 65,000 fans in Brussels before the fairy tale ended in the semi final against eventual winners, Milan, at a packed San Siro. A Wembley final against Benfica was Milan’s prize, a tie Dundee would surely have fancied.
The result against Cologne is historically the most impressive but this was not the case at the time. This was a period before the Bundesliga when West German teams participated in regional leagues, with the winners playing-off to enter the European Cup. Once German teams were able to join a financially prosperous league instead of being shackled by historical custom, they never looked back. Dundee, like all Scottish clubs, are disenfranchised from the history they could be creating by the poor value of their TV market.
It’s time for a change, not just for the sake of Celtic! If only the guys running the show knew the history and heritage of the team promoted today, or believed in the potential of Scottish clubs.
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toibhoy67,
Your comment doesn’t make sense unless you mean all trophies prior to the creation of the SPL, could not be carried over.
Oh and my boy is BTW, in case that was a dig.
Steinreignedsupreme on 16 July, 2012 at 18:08 said:
I agree but only up to the point where they don’t outplay us (which they did in the 2nd half). We still need to be able to pass the ball and not rely only on “fitness” to overpower the oposition. The problem was, we were poor. Just IMO of course. Many standing where I was were also of that opinion too.
Gerry
Joe Filippis Haircut on 16 July, 2012 at 18:12
CLUBFOOT ON £10k WAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAAWWWAAAAHHHHAAAAA
Thought I might add my tuppence ( old currency ) worth on the Jenny Bond / Bob Crampsey discussion.
Bob was my history teacher in first year at Holyrood. He had an interesting style. He always wore robes and carried a strap/belt. He would ask a question- Synod of Whitby say- and travel up the aisles seeking an answer. Those of us who got it wrong – tip, got a quick strap. He appeared again in my third year by which time he was genuinely trying to widen the perspective of young growing minds. I didn’t like his line of you are tribal. Green v Blues. Most of us who were attached to Celtic knew and were proud of our history. We knew that we were not merely the flip side of Rangers. I actually believe he knew this perfectly well but chose this route to make us articulate what we believed.
As to cricket he did love it and I fondly recall him drawing on the board the placing of players and explaining silly mid off etc. he had no takers. I live in London, my neighbour wears the egg and bacon tie as a member of the MCC. I have learned to be more than tolerant/ dismissive of other people’s sports.
I should have thought that the very essence of being a Celt was not to be judgemental and be inclusive.
Bob Crampsey was an inspirational figure.
A few years ago I had the pleasure of dinner with Jenny Bond. She was a surprising, attractive and entertaining individual. Learned a lot about her personally and all of it a million miles from the jolly hockey sticks persona.
Agree also with a few other poster that we are now engaged in an ideological war over Rangers history. It is very clear that there is now a concerted campaign to seamlessly link Old Rangers to Sevco. This will also be the case if Sevco fails to fly and another beast of the night emerges to rally ( and try and profit from ) the blue/orange hordes.
Disappointing to note the anti welfare ethos from some on here. We should remember our roots. We don’t have to look back too far in our collective history to recall that the provision of the basic means of life was a right fought hard for by many of our forefathers.
Inevitably some people move on and prosper but if they are linked in any way to the Celtic ethos then I would argue that they have a social responsibility to be progressive. There are a hell of a lot of people very comfortably off with a huge sense of entitlement. They should be much higher up the target list than very poor people at the bottom.
Looking forward to the football. Season tickets ( 2 ) renewed at the first call – I support Celtic- , train from London booked. Excited to see an early hero of mine Sean Fallon unfurl the flag.
Hail, Hail!
DONKEY
JUST SAY THEY ARE DEID
Fourgreenfields,
Steviebhoy66 on 13 July, 2012 at 09:02 said:
Was Sent this early 2009??
more info about aSWEET POISON!
A MUST READ!
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And she is walking!
No wheelchair!
This article saved her life.
If it says ‘SUGAR FREE’ on the label;
DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!
I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on ‘ASPARTAME,’ marketed as ‘Nutra Sweet,’
‘Equal,’ and
‘Spoonful.’
In the keynote address by the EPA, it was announced that in the United States in 2001 there is an epidemic of multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus.
It was difficult to determine exactly what toxin was causing this to be rampant.
I stood up and said that I was there to lecture on exactly that subject.
I will explain why Aspartame is so dangerous:
When the temperature of this sweetener exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in ASPARTAME converts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn causes metabolic acidosis.. Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of fire ants.
The methanol toxicity mimics, among other conditions, multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus.
Many people were being diagnosed in error.
Although multiple sclerosis is not a death sentence, Methanol toxicity is!
Systemic lupus has become almost as rampant as multiple sclerosis, especially with Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers.
The victim usually does not know that the Aspartame is the culprit.
He or she continues its use; irritating the lupus to such a degree that it may become a life-threatening condition.
We have seen patients with systemic lupus become asymptotic, once taken off diet sodas.
In cases of those diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, most of the symptoms disappear. We’ve seen many cases where vision loss returned and hearing loss improved markedly.
This also applies to cases of tinnitus and fibromyalgia.
During a lecture, I said,
‘If you are using ASPARTAME (Nutra Sweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc) and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, shooting, pains, numbness in your legs,
Cramps,
Vertigo,
Dizziness,
Headaches,
Tinnitus,
Joint pain,
Unexplainable depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred vision, or memory loss you probably have ASPARTAME poisoning!’
People were jumping up during the lecture saying,
‘I have some of these symptoms..
Is it reversible?’
Yes!
Yes!
Yes!
STOP drinking diet sodas and be alert for Aspartame on food labels!
Many products are fortified with it!
This is a serious problem.
Dr. Espart (one of my speakers) remarked that so many people seem to be symptomatic for MS and during his recent visit to a hospice; a nurse stated that six of her friends, who were heavy Diet Coke addicts, had all been diagnosed with MS. This is beyond coincidence!
Diet soda is NOT a diet product! It is a chemically altered, multiple SODIUM (salt) and ASPARTAME containing product that actually makes you crave carbohydrates.
It is far more likely to make you GAIN weight!
These products also contain formaldehyde, which stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs.
Formaldehyde is an absolute toxin and is used primarily to preserve ’tissue specimens.’
Many products we use every day contain this chemical but we SHOULD NOT store it IN our body!
Dr. H. J. Roberts stated in his lectures that once free of the ‘diet products’ and with no significant increase in exercise; his patients lost an average of 19 pounds over a trial period.
Aspartame is especially dangerous for diabetics.
We found that some physicians, who believed that they had a patient with retinopathy, in fact, had symptoms caused by Aspartame.
The Aspartame drives the blood sugar out of control.
Thus diabetics may suffer acute memory loss due to the fact that aspartic acid and phenylalanine are NEUROTOXIC when taken without the other amino acids necessary for a good balance.
Treating diabetes is all about BALANCE.
Especially with diabetics, the Aspartame passes the blood/brain barrier and it then deteriorates the neurons of the brain; causing various levels of brain damage,
Seizures,
Depression,
Manic depression,
Panic attacks,
Uncontrollable anger and rage.
Consumption of Aspartame causes these same symptoms in non-diabetics as well.
Documentation and observation also reveal that thousands of children diagnosed with ADD and ADHD have had complete turnarounds in their behavior when these chemicals have been removed from their diet.
So called ‘behavior modification prescription drugs’ (Ritalin and others) are no longer needed.
Truth be told, they were never NEEDED in the first place!
Most of these children were being ‘poisoned’ on a daily basis with the very foods that were ‘better for them than sugar.’
It is also suspected that the Aspartame in thousands of pallets ofdiet Coke and diet Pepsiconsumed by men and women fighting in the Gulf War, may be partially to blame for the well-known Gulf War Syndrome.
Dr. Roberts warns that it can cause birth defects, i.e. mental retardation, if taken at the time of conception and during early pregnancy.
Children are especially at risk for neurological disorders and should NEVER be given artificial sweeteners.
There are many different case histories to relate of children suffering grand mal seizures and other neurological disturbances talking about a plague of neurological diseases directly caused by the use of this deadly poison.’
Herein lies the problem:
There were Congressional Hearings when Aspartame was included in 100 different products and strong objection was made concerning its use. Since this initial hearing, there have been two subsequent hearings, and still nothing has been done.
The drug and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets.
Sadly, MONSANTO’S patent on Aspartame has EXPIRED!
There are now over 5,000 products on the market that contain this deadly chemical and there will be thousands more introduced.
Everybody wants a ‘piece of the Aspartame pie.’
I assure you that MONSANTO, the creator of Aspartame, knows how deadly it is.
And isn’t it ironic that MONSANTO funds, among others, the American Diabetes Association, the American Dietetic Association and the Conference of the American College of Physicians?
This has been recently exposed in the New York Times.
These [organizations] cannot criticize any additives or convey their link to MONSANTO because they take money from the food industry and are required to endorse their products.
Senator Howard Metzenbaum wrote and presented a bill that would require label warnings on products containing Aspartame, especially regarding pregnant women, children and infants.
The bill would also institute independent studies on the known dangers and the problems existing in the general population regarding seizures, changes in brain chemistry, neurological changes and behavioral symptoms.
The bill was killed.
It is known that the powerful drug and chemical lobbies are responsible for this, letting loose the hounds of disease and death on an unsuspecting and uninformed public. Well, you’re informed now!
YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW!
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My dear,dear,dear,friend.. Gerrybhoy @ 18.02
Pal.. Ah hiv tae agree .. in part.. well.. inasmuch as..
Celtic, were, pretty woeful.
A Combination of .. oor team harboring , a few underdeveloped Members, who wur being given a Run-oot… not underdevoloped in their physical attributions.. but.. Heck.. Ye know whit Ah mean..
Toshney,wiz and is .. no quite ready fur Prime Time, likewise..
Blackman.. who was particularly, unsure of himself.
Mr.Murphy…. wiz ,is and always wull be.. a Big Stookey!
The Only wan ,in Ma opinion, who showed us whit he is capable of.. wiz Master Forrest.. but, unfortunately, the German Team..also were of the same opinion.. and the quickly,livin’ up tae thur Handle…. put him oota commission… Ah hope James wis no beaten up too badly…
Yep, pal.. Gloomy Disappointment,fur us, last evening..
OOr German Fans.. deserved bettah fare..
Howevahhhhhhhhh..
Here comes the old “Standby”.. o a Disgruntled Celtic Fan…
” Oh~ Well.. It wiz Merely a Friendly.. so it really disnae mean much..in the Great Scheme of Things.”
Too True, of course..
But, Last Night’s Performance by us. .Still Rankles.. jist the Same.
Nice Chatting.. Pally.
Kojo
yer pal.. who likes ye aloater, already
Still, Laughin’ .. of Course.
Rangers could yet fail to take up a place in the Third Division.© SNS Group
Rangers’ prospects of playing in the Third Division remain uncertain because of a stand-off between the Scottish FA and Charles Green over conditions attached to the transfer of the club’s membership.
STV understands Sevco Scotland Limited is currently unwilling to accept the imposition of a 12-month signing embargo, originally placed upon the club by the governing body on May 11.
The Scottish FA want Green to accept the punishment as a condition of membership transfer, despite Lord Glennie ruling at a Court of Session hearing on May 29 that they had acted outwith their powers in imposing the ban on the club.
An appellate tribunal was told to reconvene to discuss a different sanction from within the rule book. This is currently on hold, with Green having the option to ask for membership to be transferred in exchange for the tribunal meeting again.
The sanctions available to the panel are unlikely to be palatable to the club, as they include the potential suspension or expulsion of the club from the Scottish game, as well as a possible exclusion from the Scottish Cup.
Should Green refuse to meet the Scottish FA’s demands, he will be forced to apply for a completely new membership not tied to the former club.
However, as Sevco Scotland Limited does not meet the financial requirements set down to join the organisation, they would not be eligible and would not be able to play football in Scotland.
If Green accepts for the signing ban to be imposed, Rangers will take up a place as an associate member of the Scottish Football League and will play in the Third Division this season. Clubs must have membership of the national association to play in a league.
Conditions of transfer
The Scottish FA have made clear to Green that they will only transfer Rangers’ membership to his new company if he agrees to the imposition of the registration ban.
If he refuses, the governing body will either transfer the membership but allow their appellate tribunal to reconvene, leaving open the possibility of Rangers either being suspended from the game for an indefinite period or being thrown out of the game altogether.
Should Green decline those conditions, the Scottish FA will refuse to transfer the membership and, as Sevco Scotland Limited do not meet the necessary requirements, Rangers will not play professional football in Scotland at least for the next year.
The Scottish FA also want Green to agree to pay all outstanding football debt as another condition of the membership being transferred.
They also want the new company to take responsibility for any sanctions later imposed by the Scottish Premier League following its investigation into alleged non-contractual payments to players.
At a meeting on Monday, Green told Ibrox employees there would be a “staffing review” following the decision of the Scottish Football League to place the club in the Third Division for the 2012/13 season.
optimistic little soldier on 16 July, 2012 at 16:10 said:
ernie lynch:
I know. But the point I was making was that if he made the point in 1966, the year before 1967, then he was probably correct.
If he made it after 1967, he was wrong.
Please tell me you dont need me to spell out what happened in 1967 to make him wrong….
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No matter when Bob Crampsey made his judgement about the relative merits of the great Dundee & Celtic sides, his intelligent opinion is perfectly valid.
There is no right or no wrong about how we judge two incredibly gifted sides.
I happen tyo think that the Lions were the greatest.
Then again, I am not nearly as smart as Bob Crampsey.
steinreignedsupreme
Was that not the same night that she made Benny dook for his own chips
violencerulescsc
optimistic little soldier @ 14:56…
It was usual for the travelling Celtic supporters club buses to remain in Dundee until midnight however after this incident the practice was widely discontinued….
I went to the Mitchell Library in Glasgow today to look at their back catalogue of Herald newspapers. There are a number of articles of interest from the 1961-62 season. The first concerns a supporter who died in police custody after scuffles involving Dundee and Celtic supporters after the sides’ league meeting on November 4th.
In an outside column at the foot of the sports pages the newspaper reports that a 20-year-old Celtic supporter, Peter Richard Gilroy, had died in custody after being arrested following one of the incidents which followed the Dundee-Celtic match at Dens Park.
Gilroy from 15 Porterfield Road, Renfrew passed away at Dundee Police Office. Mr James Clark, procurator fiscal, said he was investigating the matter. A post mortem was carried out on November 6th. His family were told of his death on Sunday 5th November after his sister Mrs Ruth Neill went to Dundee to identify the body.
This article appears in the blog “In Search of Alan Gilzean” which was published 2 years ago.
I have nothing against Dundee as a club and as Paul’s article highlight’s they have a rich footballing history and have produced some excellent footballers.
I do believe however that Dunfermline were harshy treated today.
Spartans, Cove Rangers et al even more so on Friday!
Doncaster, Longmuir, Ogilvie and Regan (not before he answers the SFA/Walter Smith compensation question) should all go.
Charles Green on SSN sounds like a guy who might just throw in the towel. If he had one…
Jim White is an undisguised unashamed cheerleader for the old Rangers.
DerryDave @ 17:37
you’ve got mail re Amsterdam .
Sanna
I am beginning to think what some posters are saying on CQN that Charles Green does not want The Rangers playing any football this season.He wants to blame others for stopping them.His goal is to have a season out and have them start in SPL2 2013-2014 as they have still got many hurdles to get over before there first competitive match which is just over a week away.H.H,
So … if they are Rangers reincarnated they get in but have to accept conditions.
But … if they apply as a new club they don’t meet the criteria.
What I don’t understand is why they apparently do meet the criteria if it is a transfer.
voguepunter on 16 July, 2012 at 18:17 said:
Fourgreenfields,
Thanks mate will read over it again .
It’s going to be a black night :(
Did mrs snowdon no share a toupee with Brucie??
Breaking bad season 5 just started in the US
Jim White makes me spew. What a brown nose.
oglach , got S05E01 about 10 mins ago . Looking forward to it .
Alan Rough doesn’t normally make me laugh but he’s rippin BFDJ a new one on RR at the moment.
everyone away fur their tea ?!
FourGreenFields on 16 July, 2012 at 18:05 said:
I can remember the resignation of a woman scientist in the late 80s from the US Food & Drug Administration in protest at granting a license for this toxic substance.
Just googled this info http://lsned.com/facts/aspartame-fda/ and lo and behold we have a known mass murderer behind it all.
unknownknownsCSC
HH
But in accepting the transfer ban to allow membership, is SEVCO fearful of inheriting other more serious implications from Rangers Oldco, like the fallout from the BTC if found in HMRC favour ?
I cant see how you can separate some issues from others.
sannabhoy on 16 July, 2012 at 18:29 said:
Yep me too, time to get baby Starry in bed…
Breaking Bad
Season 5. Episode 1.
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For any who wish to join me
HH
Just heard the end of BBC Radio 4 News from London.
Seems that Dundee got the 12th clubs lot ” after Rangers were demoted “.
Wonder who fed in that wee gem.
Yes, ideological war now well and truly started.
This SFA/Sevco thing is really deliciously absurd. The notion that Sevco is sufficiently well organised and capitalised to be given Rangers’ old SFA membership, but not sufficiently organised and capitalised to be an SFA member in its own right is contradictory and illogical.
Bear in mind also that there is considerable doubt that Rangers met the criteria last year in any event, meaning Sevco would be given a membership that does not actually permit it to play organised football!
Let’s try to break it down into its principle parts:
1) Is Sevco Ltd considered capable of staging football matches and fulfilling a fixture list?
If so, give them an Associate Membership of the SFA and let them play in Division 3 as provided for.
If not, all other matters are irrelevant.
2) Is Sevco Ltd really Rangers FC? If they are playing in blue shirts at Ibrox the fans of the team will maintain that they are Rangers FC, while mostly everyone else will recognise that they are not. It’s a semantic issue, not a substantial one.
Sevco bought the stadium and the rights to use the club’s badge. Neither are of any value unless there is a team playing football in the stadium with the badge on its jerseys. Accept that this is a new entity in old packaging and get on wth it.
A clean Sevco allows the Governing bodies to conclude the investigations into the cheating and rule breaking of the old, defunct entity, without impacting on the new entity.
My sense is that most folk want to know what actually occured in the Murray years, and for records to be ammended in the event that ineligible players were fielded. Few give much of a hoot for the ‘disrepute’ charges beyond the allegation that the SFA issued their licence to play when it ought not to have (and the small matter of Hearts’ outastanding £800K for Lee Wallace).
Neither of these issues should affect Sevco, least of all the penalties for last year’s corporate governance failures of an entirely different corporation.
If Sevco can play matches, give them a SFA membership and let them play matches in Division 3 free of the baggage of Rangers’ disgrace. Folk who maintain that the Sevco is Rangers will not be persuaded by the amended annals of the Game, and if Stewart Regan is to be believed, amending the annals to reflect the reality is a rather small inconvenience set against the likely loss of such a large number of supporters from the Game.
Stubbornness and obtuseness are not helpful qualities at the current time.
TBB
Ba puts Newcastle 1 up after a howler from the Monaco goalkeeper
Geordies very fortunate to be in front. Should be 2 or 3 down by now but for some poor Monaco finishing + a lucky save from Harper
Gordon;
It was some night I tell you. It was an early kick off and I was huckelled with 20mins to go. Thrown (and I mean thrown) into the back of the van and held there until full time. Dundee equalised whilst I was in the back of the van and the polis man, the more bitter of the two, opened the door and said “You’ll be delighted to know you’re beloved Celtic have just conceded…”. He couldn’t even make anything up that was witty or at least inventive!
At midnight, the cell opened and the lad said: Your da’s here.
I said: Eh, no he’s no.
He said: Aye, he is.
I said: Eh, he’s no. But I’ll go with whoever it is.
Walked out and saw my pished mates and one of their da’s to collect me. My mates left the game at 4pm and went boozing all day until I got let out. Got his da to drive up from West Lothian to collect me.
Ah, we can laugh about it now.
But, Dens was not a great place for Celtic fans to go, that’s the moral of the story.
Gerry Hassan @GerryHassan
@bbcsportsound Stewart Regan & Neil Doncaster have been bullying & intimidating, acting unconstitutionally & ineptly. Resign or get sacked!
That’s the spirit….
C’mon Campbell stop hiding and clear yer desk…
What I can’t get my head round in this saga is Neil donkeys hair.
I mean seriously, he actually asks for his head to be shaved but keep a wee bit long at the front so he can gel it up??
How can this man be taken seriously with a barnet like that, and how the hell did he get through any job interview yet alone a position of influence??
Not long till the real fun starts now though, the big tax case, illegal use of ebts, minty possibly getting lifted, 5 leagues 3 Scottish cups and 4 I think league cups getting taken off them, Gordon smiths greeting coupon on the telly. Aaahh can’t wait.
Could we actually see 20 in a row?
Gotta Go
See You folks..
Kojo
Still, Laughin’…
Dundee Chairman says any new Season Tickets bought will be at 1st Div prices.Fair play there.Their STs were actually up compared to last season btw.
gallagher on 16 July, 2012 at 18:31 said:
FourGreenFields on 16 July, 2012 at 18:05 said:
Thanks mate
optimistic little soldier on 16 July, 2012 at 18:36 said:
Was a good laugh though!!!
He’s got a desk?