The very last thing anyone connected with Rangers wanted to read this morning is that Andrew Ellis, Craig Whyte’s former associate, is suing the Rangers owner for 24.9% of the club’s shares. This puts a further legal impediment in the way of any potential transfer of shares or stadium assets from Whyte to a new party. It remains to be seen if Ellis is in a position to legally enforce his claim however the veracity of his claim may be moot.
Prospective Rangers buyers do not have time to spend in court hearings and appeals before the start of the new season. If a phoenix (or even a CVA) is to be put in place it is likely that those with a claim, any claim, will need to be satisfied.
This development comes a week after Whyte transferred the security over Ibrox he holds through Rangers FC Group Ltd to Liberty Corporate Ltd.
Legal issues over ownership of shares and assets aside, Rangers’ administrators still have to deal with creditors, in particular, HMRC, who will soon learn if their tax demand against the club has been upheld by the First Tier Tribunal, and Ticketus. Duff and Phelps were denied the right to set aside the deal which Ticketus struck with Rangers to buy thousands of seasons tickets, leaving a path open for Ticketus to present a legal challenge to any deal which does not recognise their interests.
Chances of an early exit from administration appear to be diminishing by the day. Motherwell were in administration for four days short of two years between April 2002 and April 2004. If Rangers are not out of administration on the morning the new season kicks off they would start on minus 10 points.
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Serge on 11 April, 2012 at 05:59
Do you mind if I send you an email? also Interested.
Blantyretim sent you mail.
There was a discussion about masons and the oo previously,I wonder if any of you learned bhoys would know the meaning of a number with an arc over it?
The number was 2 and a half.
I got into an argument with a hun and he scribbled it on a piece of paper, a fellow hun observed it and scribbled over it cracked up at first hun.
Always wondered what it meant?
miki67
I have cashews & an apple for lunch. I can almost smell sausages it’s torture
Serge on 11 April, 2012 at 11:37 said:
Ps….id rather talk about sausages than Rangers.
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rolls and sausage when rangers die ?
SydneyTim on 11 April, 2012 at 11:33 said:
Used to envy the lifestyle ‘down under’ till I caught the Aussie version
of ‘mission impossible’ at the weekend.
Total crap.
hail hail
Serge on 11 April, 2012 at 11:37 said:
Ps….id rather talk about sausages than Rangers.
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So more like Bangers than Rangers?
Mick
Of course not mate, serge78@hotmail.co.uk
Hope this doesn’t hinder us in any way….
alex thomson @alextomo
New stuff on my blog later: how/why UEFA have Alex Salmond and MSPs in their sites because of political interference in Rangers
Rangers can go play in the blue square sausage league
Saint Stivs & Paulsatim
Brilliant, HH
The only thing better than square sausage is Bournesoups Beyonce, although I’d say they wurny linked….
V
Breakfast,is it? Right.
COOP potato bread–Belfast style, not that gunge you Scots eat.
Teaspoon virgin olive oil (squeezed between thighs of 18 year old Sicilian virgins—-from the “Philvis Book of Rare Treats).
2 slices sainsbury’s smoked bacon, cooked till crisp.
Potato bread fried in bacon/olive oil residue in non-stick pan.
Kept warm in oven while fresh as fresh can be free range egg is fried sunny side up.
2 potato bread placed on plate with egg on one, bacon on other. Big mug of Nambarrie tea.
Eat in front of computer while reading CQN.
Perfect start to day.
Paulsatim
I’m pretty sure they would be welcome to play in Bangor!
Morning all, looking forward to a Q+A session and some good craic with John Hartson tonight here in Stornoway.I,m going to quiz him about Craig Burley, I,ll share any tasty morsels. Anyone got a question I could ask on your behalf? Happy to do so. HailHail Hebcelt
Auldheid
With a bit of luck the idea of separation of responsibilities so that SFA supply and SPL monitor will take hold and stop any cozy relationships developing
The above is a must imo. As the poster iki at 11:27 posted, “Why are referees (Collum is a moot point) being rewarded for poor displays?”
Ah,to hell with this….I’m off on a shopping spree in Greggs…..
Catch up with CQN later,need to head.
hebcelt on 11 April, 2012 at 11:48 said:
Morning all, looking forward to a Q+A session and some good craic with John Hartson tonight here in Stornoway.I,m going to quiz him about Craig Burley, I,ll share any tasty morsels. Anyone got a question I could ask on your behalf? Happy to do so. HailHail Hebcelt
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Some people say that many footballers find their ‘job’ a chore and not at all cracked up to be what Joe Public thinks is, but for you John, what was it like getting up in the morning knowing you played for the World’s greatest team?
Mick :- I hope the following answers your question. Before anyone attacks me please not I am not a mason and the reply was not sent to me but taken from a site.
Answer
Brother Todd,
My initial hunch relating the symbol to Royal Arch Masonry was correct, and of course given that the number is shown inside the Royal Arch itself, I suppose rather obvious to anyone. This is an example of a derivative symbol .. a symbol representing another symbol with deeper meanings of its own. After a little time in my library, I was able to conclude that the reference 2 ½ within the Royal Arch is a direct reference to the Ark of the Covenant, which is central to the Mysteries of the Royal Arch. This is the answer to the question, and now it remains to explain that answer. I should mention, by the way, that while I have held the Three Degrees and the 32º for many years, and am also a Noble of the Ancient Arabic Order of Nobles of the Mystic Shrine, I have never taken the Degrees of the York Rite; I have always meant to.
The Ark of the Covenant is described as having measured 2 ½ Cubits by 1 ½ Cubits by 1 ½ Cubits. This is the proportions 5 by 3 by 3. More telling is the dimension of the Mercy Seat which covered the Ark which measured 2 ½ by 1 ½ Cubits. Now the Cubit is almost certainly based on the very ancient unit of length sometimes referred to as the Megalithic Yard, a Cubit being the length of a pendulum which would swing exactly 366 cycles during 1/366 part of the rotation of the Earth. This unit can be perfectly reproduced anywhere on the Earth by this means, note the reference I the Book of Enoch.
Saying that the symbol of 2 ½ within the Royal Arch represents the Ark of the Covenant is, of course, not really that significant, unless one begins the understand the underlying meaning of the number itself and why it is important. The proportion 2 ½ to 1 ½ relates to the proportion 5 to 3 which is most deeply significant in Masonry and alludes to the most ancient Arcanum of the Craft. 3, 4 and 5 are representative of the Three Lesser Lights of Masonry, a full understanding of which underlies the meanings of all symbols and allegories of the Craft, as well as most of those of other traditions, as well. No Mason can recall his Raising into the 3º and not instantly realize that the number 5 is of the greatest importance in Masonry. 5 is the answer to the riddle of Pythagoras and the key to understanding the Mystery of the Right Triangle. Five is representative of the Arcane knowledge of Venus and the Metronome, and Venus rising before the sun is the Morning Star. This is the star that once in 8 years bathes the chamber at Newgrange in a special light as it has for over 5,000 years, and was the Light of the Shekinah that was the Glory of the Sanctum Sanctorum of the Temple of Solomon. This is the Star in the East, both to the Mason and the Magi, and the Five Pointed Star was the symbol of Wisdom to the ancient Egyptian Priests, into whose Mysteries Moses was Initiated, and whose Initiation was revealed in the Mosaic Myths, culminating in the Mysteries of the Ark of the Covenant and the Tabernacle. This was the Mystery recovered by the Perfect Elu and recovered from the Chambers below the ruins of the Temple.
I am adding one bit in reference to the phrase ‘marked-well’. This is an ancient reference, and like most True Masonic Symbols, is far older than the Craft is acknowledged to be. To Mark Well references the measurements of the Sunrise. To properly align a Lodge, one must ‘Mark Well’ the rising of the Sun on the Feast days of the Holy Saints John, which marking will denote absolute due East. This done at sunrise on the winter Solstice is the ancient mode of aligning the Corner Stone, and derives from the fact that in the very ancient times, temples were aligned to this rising. One must go back to roughly 294 – 405 BCE (my calculations) before the Winter Solstice rising corresponds to December 25, the precise alignments being on four year periods since there is somewhat of a ‘wobble’ in the way this actually falls. Our calendar was irrelevant in those days, anyway since the most ancient of these peoples made use of the Sidereal (aligned to the Stars) Year of 366 days. The Feast Day of Saint John the Baptist is June 24, and the Feast Day of Saint John the Evangelist is December 27. Marked Well, the sunrise on the Feast Day of Saint John the Evangelist falls upon the Winter Solstice between 393 and 294 BCE. Marked Well, the Feast Day of Saint John the Baptist falls on the Summer Solstice between the years of 4 CE and 115 CE. The variations are possibly a result of either changes from the earlier calendars, or bureaucratic meddling in Rome. Either way, the essence is clear, that these two feast days mark the Northern most and Southern most points of passage of the Sun. Such knowledge is essential to properly align and set out a True Masonic Lodge for the placement of Boaz and Jachin, as well as the Altar. The Blazing Star will, therefore, arrive at its appointed place above the Worshipful Master at the Vernal Equinox once in every Eight Years as the most Ancient Brethren would have understood.
This is about as far as I can take our discussion in this place, my Brother. I hope you have found this discussion as informative as I have found it delightful and interesting!
Mick on 11 April, 2012 at 11:40 said:
Serge on 11 April, 2012 at 05:59
,I wonder if any of you learned bhoys would know the meaning of a number with an arc over it?
The number was 2 and a half.
I got into an argument with a hun and he scribbled it on a piece of paper, a fellow hun observed it and scribbled over it cracked up at first hun.
Always wondered what it meant?
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Its a stonecutters ritual.
By means of placing their hands on a table, they form a little triangle “A” shape.
This tells one cutter that the other cutter is in distress in the argument with a non practicing person from outwith the kraft.
However, the person, making the “A” shape must also roll his shoulders, backwards twice. If however he does it thrice this means somthing completely different , and is interpreted by the apprentice as
“The mighty temple house may not be open”
and the time honoured response is to offer assistance by means of coins , the value of which should be written on a piece of paper, arched by a scribe ,
on this occasion i would translate the reply as
“2 and a half pounds, thats the bottom line”
Wee Martin McCorkell won his tie this morning, he’s back on this afternoon.
Johan are you Gleddoch house golfer?
V
hebcelt on 11 April, 2012 at 11:48 said:
Ask big bad John ,why did it take so long for you to score your
first goal for the Celts?
Give us a shout when he takes his hands away from your throat.
hail hail.
Off-topic….
I was speaking to a ‘sage’-Tim this morning and, amongst other things, he said that during the 1960’s…the huns rioted in and, wrecked Newcastle!!!
Could anyone shed some light on this ?
Thanks in advance :o)
Hail Hail
Mick
I believe it’s to do with measurements and representing the arc of the covenant. Oh they love their wee secrets.
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Sydster..
Re; Square S..Yes wee can get it Here but the Butchers is a H*n..Ha Ha..
001BhOy
hebcelt on 11 April, 2012 at 11:48 said:
Ask him how many contracts he was offered by the huns.
miki67 on 11 April, 2012 at 11:50 said:
Ah,to hell with this….I’m off on a shopping spree in Greggs…
Remember to sign their petition.
Not sure if this has already been posted here. On RTC site : http://www.rangerssupporterstrust.co.uk/rstsite/letters/Letter_from_John_Park_MSP_to_D&P_100412.pdf
Does all this talk of Square Sausage have Masonic connotations.
As I posted some time ago. There is a Celtic Lodge in Edinburgh.
Hebcelt
can you please ask him….square or link?
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Edaward..
Good to See you Blogging on Here..I’m Happy about that ..I am Irrelevant ..Just happy you feel the Need to Post on CQN..
Have a Guid Day Edward..Maybe Catch up for a Beer when I’m Home..(I Will tell You the Full Baxter Story ha)..
Summa of JimCSC
The arcane,so-called ‘knowledge’ of The Masons is an absolute irrelevance in the 21st. Century. They are just a not-so-secret ‘old boys’ club with some sinister goings-on.
The Masons operate worldwide.
For the longest time,the variant in Scotland was ‘The Scotch Rite’,innocuous in comparison to ‘The Orange Order’ which seems to have gained predominance in Scotland. The O.O. is a beast of an entirely different stripe,whose core intention is the suppression of Catholicism and the Irish (Republicans,Nationalists; and the Irish immigrant community in Scotland),by any means necessary. And they mean it. RFC(ia) is an adjunct of The O.O.
Their modern ethos is ultra-violent and they prey on the ill-educated. They have links to groups like The KKK and they are not averse to serious criminality to further their ends. A judicial enquiry is long overdue into their activities,but this is unlikely as they disseminate fear & use their ‘legitimate’ Masonic connections to stay intact and in place.
They are utterly despicable,and anyone who supports RFC(ia) is buying into a fascist criminal organisation.
maybe rankers can follow CHAS in their fundraising, sickened by this….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7EEISsfCFY
SUMMA OF SAMMI
Hope you had a great day with your daughter.
hebcelt on 11 April, 2012 at 11:48 said:
I went to a similar thing in October last year. Once he got over his nerves and found his rhythm he was great to listen to, loves the hoops and had some great tales to tell. And stayed behind for hours for a few swallies and to chat and pose for photies.
Enjoy!
Kevjungle@11:53
I think the riot you refer to was a 1969 Fairs Cup(prelude to the old UEFA Cup) tie at St James’s Park in 1969. I do believe it was the first of many subsequent riots Scotlands shame enjoyed! (Birmingham,Barcelona,Manchester and numerous others).
HH
From the Scissors Sisters to the 33 degrees,are we going to talk about decent music today?
Feel I am in a Dan Brown novel at the moment
HH
new article posted.