I was concerned about a trip to Estonia after hearing Hearts struggle in their home leg against Estonian opponents last week, so news that Gibraltar’s Lincoln Red Imps beat Flora Tallinn was welcome, although the concern was tempered as news arrived that Hearts were three goals up in the away leg.
The lesson here is that in July, one more week’s training has a huge impact on performance.
Brendan Rodgers will be happy with how training has progressed thus far, but it’s only when players put multiple 90 minutes under their belts that they are ready for competitive action. There’s not necessarily a great deal of work to do to overcome Red Imps (no offence intended), but qualifiers come thick and fast thereafter. Despite beating Slovenian champions Olimpija Ljubljana yesterday, I expect Celtic will be more motivated for Saturday’s game against Maribor.
It gets serious from now onwards.
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twists n turns on 8th July 2016 6:35 pm
Maybe I’m too negative, but why allow some ambiguity to remain with the ” club/company” reference?
They’ve never denied it was a new company. This wording leaves wriggle room in my opinion.
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The ambiguity is from an misunderstanding (deliberate?) of UEFA Article 12.
Chapter 2: Licence Applicant and Licence
Article 12 – Definition of licence applicant
1 A licence applicant may ONLY be a football CLUB, i.e. a legal entity fully responsible
for a football team participating in national and international competitions which
either:
a) is a registered member of a UEFA member association and/or its affiliated
league (hereinafter: registered member); or
b) has a contractual relationship with a registered member (hereinafter: football
company).
2 The membership and the contractual relationship (if any) must have lasted – at
the start of the licence season – for at least three consecutive years. Any
alteration to the club’s legal form or company structure (including, for example,
changing its headquarters, name or club colours, or transferring stakeholdings
between different clubs) during this period in order to facilitate its qualification on
sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence to the detriment of the integrity of a
competition is deemed as an interruption of membership or contractual
relationship (if any) within the meaning of this provision
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In Europe clubs can be a) or b) and at present the club operating from Ibrox looks like its b) if RIFC have a contractual relationship with TRFC.
RIFC do not have a contractual relationship with RFC 1872 so if they apply they are a new club/company under b)
If TRFC apply they are a new club under a).
UEFA had to cover the current construct in their reply to make the point neither a) nor b) would face sanctions because to UEFA they are “new”.
If they are not “new” UEFA would have sanctioned them in 2012 for breaches in 2011.
RFC 1872 were not sanctioned and TRFC/RIFC were not eligible for three years because they are new.
I’ll say no more on this use of the term “company” to mean anything other than what UEFA intend for its not what Res12 was about. An unforeseen consequence, a question that was never asked and what UEFA volunteered by way of explaining no sanction in 2011.
Never left M :-)
THECELT45
Thanks for the link sorry for the late reply just back in
A big well done to all the res 12team for their great work
Hail Hail
Mt
Auldheid,
So, what’s next…..is it still in the Resolutioners hands or will you pass it off to the Celtic/SPFL board to follow up on the licensing issue?
FTSFA
truthwilloutCSC
H.H.
Auldheid
What final result do you predict and what do you think the consequence for the SFA?
Auldheid
Well there’s no ambiguity around your response! Thank you kindly sir.
Is Brandy Syphon………………bein’ asked for an opinion?
Mais non mon vilain petit huns vous êtes un nouveau club, un club très nouveau.
Vive Le Resolution..
Merci beaucoup a tous Les Resolutioners
Will N.Doncaster be joining the Q&A?
JOE FILLIPIS HAIRCUT
Surely you mean ” top, top players at a top,top club”. From the much missed Mark Hately phrase book.
Anyway , well done to the Res 12 gang and all who kept the faith. From here it looks like we have taken the lead in a match that will go to penalties. Apologies for the inclusive “we”.
Lennon n Mc….Mjallby on 8th July 2016 6:38 pm
Uefa leaving pub argument wriggle room by saying club/company.
They’ve stated the facts which makes for proving sevco are a new club so why the need to insert the word ‘company’?
layman’s termscsc
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See my explanation above. It was necessary to reflect Article 12 and current status of TRFC/RIFC.
STARRY PLOUGH on 8TH JULY 2016 7:50 PM
You just saved der hun some time and effort there lol
Auldheid
If I may ask another question;
Will the SFA be given a copy of the response you received from UEFA or will you be supplying them with a copy?
Aul’ heid…………..
*cough*
……an’ the eta of…….”heids oan sticks”?
Cheers!
HH.
Auldheid
Did you read back or will I need to ask my questions again?
Many thanks to Auldheid & co for doggedly pursuing this.
Do we expect any media outlet to run with this or will we be looking to make a statement again, perhaps via The Guardian?
Auldheid,
It’s cool…..just realised am asking for strategy…..keep it to yerselves ;-))
FTSFA
H.H.
Auldheid, do you think UEFA make a public statement to this effect? i.e. there is a new club playing football at Ibrox? Same question, but will Celtic?
I know you can’t know this, just interested in your feeling on this.
FOXY
Ah’m thinking of translating it into many languages for the 500 million worldwide:))
Oh, should have also said, to yourself, Canamalar, Morrissey 23rd and BRTH, well done.
Very well done.
Can I ask if the main objective was to hold the SFA to account or get UEFA to say they are dead? If it’s the latter then I have to say a lot of time and effort has been wasted.
All along we have been told that this was about the SFA and as we now appear to be in the end game the SFA are in the clear so why all the high fives?
This has capped a good week in sport: decent performances in Slovenia, facing a game in Gibraltar instead of Estonia, the two other Scottish teams progressing and Andy Murray getting to the final. Of course, there’s far more than sport involved in the Res 12 and victory here will be monumental.
Thanks again guys.
Eddie, it isn’t finished yet, but this is a huge step along the way.
As James Forrest says The Res 12 Bhoys have my undying love and respect.
Fantastic tenacity, obviously backed up by facts.
So let me get this right….
UEFA have confirmed had RFC (il) survived they would have been banned from European competition for having unpaid taxes?
UEFA have acknowledged RFC (il) should not have been granted a licence?
UEFA have acknowledged that in the use of New Club/ Company in their statement that the same club myth is a busted flush and that the club/ company are the same thing?
A simple yes to my above questions will result in much partaking of alcohol?
Thanks again BRTH, Canamalar, Morrisey & Auldheid.
True Celtic Legends
HH
I didn’t realise that the resolutioners had lawyers working on this and taking it forward, all of which explains why Celtic haven’t made any statement, and woll not until the issue is resolved one way or the other.
Dia Daoibh uilig
Auldhead and Co’
Thank yous’ for your time,commitment and endeavour
Ní bheidh sé i bhfad anois
HH BB
“Darryl……….Helllooooooo Darryl……….May I speak with Darryl please?”
Auldheid
Tbh – if Uefa fixed/updated their website it would be a start.
SFA to follow ..
Would probably go a long way to calming this down
Evening, Auldheid. First visit to CQN on my part in a very long time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8014811.stm
This link demonstrates how the Club/Company argument got dealt with in England, in relation to Southampton FC.
Saints tried the ‘it wiznae us, it was our parent company’. Didn’t fly because it can’t fly.
Well done to the Resolutioners…..
Ronnie
To any of the manky mob and lurking huns reading this
GIRFUY
Your DEID
Foxy on 8th July 2016 7:48 pm
Auldheid
What final result do you predict and what do you think the consequence for the SFA?
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I have no idea because I think differently from those who caused the problem.
One possibility is drop any possible domestic sanctions on the old club as UEFA have done. Everyone knows how they won those trophies regardless of BTC final outcome..
Drop any current sanctions on the new club like the fine and we all get on with it.
The new club trophy count starts at Petrofac and it goes from there.
Oh and have the LNS Commission set aside.
That is the pragmatist in me talking.
Auldheid…
From what I gather UEFA more or less stated club/company is the same animal :)
That will do for me and I’d like to thank the fabulous four for their hard work now that your endeavour has nearly reached its crux…cap doffed.
Just a heads up Auldheid… The good old days is on BBC four if you fancy recording it, as I know TonyD does;)
My dad phoned me to tell me it was on…wtf :((
CAPTAIN MOONLIGHT
I’ll let you off this time! Get yer gladrags looked out for a wee sesh in Autumn. Could do wi a catch-up.
HH
Doc, I hope they get what we all want but reading what UEFA said they believe SFA did everything by the book.
CATHEDRALVIEW
Doncaster? I’d rather he joined the dole.
weeron on 8th July 2016 8:09 pm
Yes I remember that attempt and how it was dismissed. If these subterfuges were to be successful every club would live beyond their means as long as they could get an idiot to give them money.
AULDHEID on 8TH JULY 2016 8:10 PM:
If there was an ounce of sense of honour in them that’s exactly what they would do.
Trying to make Sevco liable for that fine is farcical … and a consequence of the most toxic document in the recent history of football.
The Five Way Agreement. Time THAT bubble was burst as well.
The Q&A session is somewhat disorganised to say the least.
The main gain from Requisitioner’s efforts appear to be Official acknowledgement that the Huns are a new Club. This is hugely important, regardless of whether we ” knew it” or not, if the top body in European Football say it, then we should be able to force the SFA to say it.
If we can force the SFA to say it, then we can rightly demand that the records are adjusted and the new Club can claim what they won since their inception and nothing more.
If the records are so adjusted then it’s game set & match and even Nimmo & his charade will matter little.
However we still cannot assume all that is in the bag, there could still be backsliding from the Authorities if we push the issue to it’s logical conclusion.