God love Packie Bonner, spend “£20m to £30m to bring those quality players the fans are desperate for”.
There are two opposing world views: one where people call for unaffordable money [those figures would be]to be spent because fans of a football club are “desperate”, the other where people want football clubs to spend what they can afford.
The latter group remember football’s crash-and-liquidate days – and learned the lessons. The former also remember the crash-and-liquidate days, but they are impervious to lessons.
We can debate what the size of an affordable spend is, but a couple of parameters have to be observed:
If it increases the cost base to such an extent that a reversal on the field would plunge the club into financial disarray, it’s unaffordable.
Players need to be appropriate for the environment – with neighbouring clubs earning £100m each season from TV deals, only players of a certain profile will play for a club with a considerably smaller wage bill (and turnover).
We live in a time when Scots Steven Naismith went for £8.5m (1 goal in 9 starts) and Ross McCormack went for £11m. These are common values for this calibre of player. We all want Celtic to improve, but that will not be achieved by spending unsuitable or unaffordable money. Packie, think back to Valentine’s Day 2012 and add a dose of perspective.
Get better at scouting, get fitter, improve the coaching – and spend everything you can afford, not any more. That’s the model for Celtic.
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CQN is one of many Celtic Blogs that are an illusion according to PL.
We are giving opinions to each other based on pure ignorance. We know nothing and are formulating opinions on perception.
I’d imagine Paul67 is having an existential crisis at this revelation?
THEORIGINALSADIESBHOY on 11TH MAY 2016 10:20 AM
We don’t even need to buy them all out.
You can secure a loan for them and get their wage paid for the year.
I read this morning that Arsenal are likely to sign Tom Rogic if that is true that is another poor bit of business on our part the player has looked the part in our midfield letting his contract run down until he can walk away free is certainly poor management.H.H.
JOE FILIPPIS HAIRCUT on 11TH MAY 2016 10:10 AM
There is an old saying in life put up or shut up so many CQN posters moaning about all that is wrong with Celtic with Peter Lawwell enemy no.1. Now all this moaning will get you absolutely no change what so ever and drive you to depression. If things are as bad as you Bhoys think take some kind of action do something other than moaning or just quit following Celtic coming on CQN each day and spouting the same negative stuff is a complete waste of time. H.H.
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“Now all this moaning will get you absolutely no change what so ever and drive you to depression.” ?
I think not. All this moaning tells the Club precisely how we feel and our many reasons for feeling that way. It may have escaped you but it is ST renewal time. Many of the moaners will be keeping their cash in their pockets until they see the calibre of manager appointed. I think holding on to our money might well get us somewhere. Another disastrous appointment on the cheap will be intolerable and thousands will walk away.
JOE FILIPPIS HAIRCUT on 11TH MAY 2016 10:26 AM
On the one hand I agree entirely with what you say. On the other hand, you can’t force a player to sign a contract.
Joefillipi
To be fair most have kept quiet until league won.
Then awaiting a message from our leadership on the way forward. A plan in place to re-vitalise the club. Call it a vision, one we can relate to and be inspired by.
The current situation is calling out for PL to give us hope that the club know how to move forward. I’m willing to bet that most would get behind PL if he could articulate a fresh plan and an energetic approach. What we got was more of the same and a feeling that we are corkscewing downwards. We need to see an upside, a positive trajectory and PL having secured 5 in a row, should have realised the mood in the camp was not generally in his favour, that he needed to win friends with a positive statement of intent.
He couldn’t. The man looks and sounds tired, exhausted even. He has been short of ideas for almost 5 years and has The demeanour of a man coasting until he is shoved.
Something changed today Joe, and a bit surprised that you haven’t realised the difference.
Thanks for everything Peter but it’s time to stand aside.
After the same club myth is obliterated it destroys any hope the hun’s have of ever catching us as Scotland’s Supreme champions, they will vanish like tough questions from the media when their cash cow is the focus.
Hail Hail.
JFH
I agree with you I too think Rogic is a great player, BUT? It looks to me as if he flys back to Aus. Every other week, he’s not fit at all, hardly get ninety minutes out of him, and he’s not the only one, but I do agree, he has talent, good player.
JOEFILIPPISHAIRCUT
Rogic still has year left on his contract. He has been stalling on a new one,presumably terms not to his liking,but he can’t yet walk away for free
CLOGHER CELT on 11TH MAY 2016 12:27 AM
Late night !!!
I get confused with who I want as our next Manager and who I think we will get – usually two very different people
I have thought since November last year that we are getting Michael O’Neill the Northern Ireland Manager
My theory is based on Ronny should have gone in November (Europe was a fiasco) – under normal circumstances he would go in November to let the new man have January to buy/sell and prep for CL qualifiers
The fact that Ronny stayed suggested to me we had another Manager lined up but we could not get him till the summer (after the Euro’s) hence my Michael O’Neill theory
So thats who I think we will get
BUT who would I like ???
Well your man Brendan is a good shout, a much better option than Roy Keane – however as stated Keane would have PL in a bit of a spin – Alex Neill at Norwich but not sure if he has his eye on “them” as I assume he is a hun ???
Time will tell – but I refuse to get excited as I’m not sure we have the ambition required to pull something special out of the hat
67ECW
10:24 am
” We are giving opinions to each other based on pure ignorance. We know nothing and are formulating opinions on perception.”
Not often I agree with Cultsbhoy.
JJ
PL goes and talks with the Celtic Support in The Sun.
Hun Media release a contrary view to Res 12.
Confusion abounds. It’s a good argument, we’ll see what UEFA make of it.
We are told on a frequent basis to be patient. Karma.
Scott Brown will be ‘roaring’ next season. (Roaring?)
On cue MacJay starts quoting Kipling. TD67 thinks everyone but himself and PL is a Hun. Oh and someone else starts talking SNP.
Here is a few alternative words from Kipling for our very own Rupert Murdoch.
Taken from the work, The Mother Lodge,
‘We’d Bola Nath, Accountant,
An’ Saul the Aden Jew,
An’ Din Mohammed, draughtsman
Of the Survey Office too;
There was Babu Chuckerbutty,
An’ Amir Singh the Sikh,
An’ Castro from the fittin’-sheds,
The Roman Catholick!’
TD67
You don’t know anything. Your opinion doesn’t matter…
( that’s according to PL)
DBBIA
Apologies I posted just before class time and I’m only on a brief break just now.
I’ve seen it but not read it. Your views would be appreciated.
Must be the time of year .
Juve’s CEO on the radio telling the support that -Yes -we tried to buy Renato Sanches -but simply couldn’t afford him .-” the reality is if we want to buy someone like him we would be forced to sell someone like Dybala or Pogba “.
Sunny day -scirocco wind -way down south .
Today’s get up and get going choons -.
The Artistics -This Heart of Mine ( Okeh )
Glen Brown / Lloyd Parks -I’m Your Puppet -(Pantomine )..
Nice it up CSC -way down south .
SALTIRES EN SEVILLA on 11TH MAY 2016 10:30 AM
Guy at Norwich just resigned in a hurry ????
67ECW
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy on 11th May 2016 10:30 am
“Now all this moaning will get you absolutely no change what so ever and drive you to depression.” ?
I think not. All this moaning tells the Club precisely how we feel and our many reasons for feeling that way.
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No it doesn’t. Peter Lawwell made his view on websites and bloggers abundantly clear.
If you feel you can;t be inside the stadium, get to the front door of the stadium.
That is the only way you will get your point across to Celtic and a wider audience.
Simply not buying your ticket is not enough. You will just be written off as a symptom of the times and give them an excuse to downsize further.
Lawwell is comfortable with all the criticism remaining online and ultimately being lost in cyberspace.
HH
I read this morning that I am having lunch with wee Geena Davis.
IF THAT IS TRUE I’ll need to stop off at the garage and buy some flowers.
Any moaners as I’v said please don’t include all Celtic supporters, well me anyway, I’m a positive guy on the club, it’s my opinion, and only mine, and I never come away with the “all Celtic supporters” thingie, every individual is allowed his/her opinion, but should never give the “all Celtic supporters” BS it’s not on and false.
Jungle Jim
Did you find that an odd statement from a CEO who needs to build bridges?
I found it incredibly niave..
As a mate of mine recently said regarding all things Scottish Football and why I have already renewed Mrs RobinBhoy’s and my season tickets……………
The answer is to punish Celtic and make the Huns stronger.
Of course it is.
Boycott season tickets…….everywhere but Ibrox.
That’ll work.
RobinBhoy on 11th May 2016 10:41 am
Exactly. An unexpected yet welcome side benefit for the enemies of our club
HH
Well………..
Catchin’ up.
Seasonal flouncers returned – dramatically and heroically (check).
Big build-up to a tease an’ reveal in the soar-away-currant bun…..( Peter, Why The Font!)
Big let down.
My whelm is completely undered.
DaeSumthinGood CSC
HH
If I gave up my season ticket I’d need to read the live updates on the ole CQN.
Flip that! :-)
CULTSBHOY CAN NOT RELATE TO CELTIC BOARD AMBITIONS ON OR OFF THE PARK on 11TH MAY 2016 10:38 AM
PL could come out and say we’ve signed X player for £10M, show the bank statement and the contract and still a large %-age of fans wouldn’t trust him.
For me that more than anything is a reason for him to go. No matter what he does, he’s lost the ability to get fans onside.
Let’s take Res 12. (Hypothetically) He could say “We’ve looked at this in depth, and we fully support it, as far as we can see we have no choice but to take the SFA to court. However, UEFA rules prevent us from doing so, and the club cannot afford to be without their money. So reluctantly our involvement has to end, but we support the shareholders may take it forward”. That could be 100% true and for me it would be both plausible and understandable but I guarantee you that he’d get pelters for making weak excuses.
He’s lost too much trust. A new man could make much the same messages but he’d get some leeway.
Why doesent the club say something, why doesent PL say something,WELL! He did, you didn’t like it (it was a TD GIRFUYs ) and I loved it, what where you expecting, http://youtu.be/qQU0yKysqLo careful what you wish for :)
The rangers media play the game the way they always play the game, “When in doubt, cheat your way out” that’s the rangers motto. Clearly it’s obfuscation, an attempt to muddy the waters because that’s what they do.
Hail Hail.
67 EUROPEAN CUP WINNERS on 11TH MAY 2016 10:37 AM
SALTIRES EN SEVILLA on 11TH MAY 2016 10:30 AM
Guy at Norwich just resigned in a hurry ????
67ECW
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Interesting times.
HH
I’m chucking the ST. It’s 90% family and financial but I have to admit there’s a certain part of the whole running of the club side of things that’s making it less difficult. I’ll still try and get along to some games but once the habit’s broken…
ROBINBHOY on 11TH MAY 2016 10:41 AM
As a mate of mine recently said regarding all things Scottish Football and why I have already renewed Mrs RobinBhoy’s and my season tickets……………
The answer is to punish Celtic and make the Huns stronger.
Of course it is.
Boycott season tickets…….everywhere but Ibrox.
That’ll work
Bang on some can’t see the trees for the woods, level5, BBC,STV,DR, SSB, follow follow, Sky, all full tilt with agenda, some are easy led, shame really.
I read this morning that Liberace is gay.
And dead.
IF THAT IS TRUE I’m away hame to practice the ole joanna.
And pimp my lovely hair.
In other news. I’ve sent The Offshore Game article to the blogs editor of Huffington Post UK, who’s an acquaintance of mine, to see if they’ll pick it up.
If the MSM won’t run with it, we might as well push it to the biggest online new outlets.
By the way I agree any CEO has a lifespan and Peter Lawwell has exceeded that. It would be best for all parties, including him to move on.
I have only ever had written conversations with him, answered in good time but as posted here recently he met with my brother and friend regarding all things Scottish Football and was, by all accounts very open and frank even showing them evidence of what Celtic have done on Resolution 12 so he does not, in my opinion, deserve half of the “stick” he gets on here.
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Pete will go when he fancies retirement
Why so …………..serious……..ly…………..negatronics.
Over a decade ago this site was for Celtic supporters. Paul67 you have been constant every year all the time, Celtic in your heart. Thank you.
It is toxic on here now, openly nasty to your host, every second post like a Hun red tops wet dream. Is it really that bad?….
CQN hates the Celtic board, the Celtic manager , the Celtic players who are Jewish or Swedish or lazy bastards.
I really hope that next season gets better. Try something different.
Here is the Peter lawwell piece:
“Supporters are very much entitled to their opinion.
“When things don’t go as well as they hope then there is always somebody to blame. In terms of the banners I don’t take that personally.
“I take it as a sign of the times, but the answer is this: If I’m not here, then there will be a new me.
“And he’s not suddenly going to find tens of millions of pounds stuffed in the bottom drawer. And he’s only going to try and do the same things that I’ve been doing to maximise the future of this club.
“Listen, I can understand why people on the outside looking in have their opinions but they don’t actually know how the club is run.
“We see it at the Emirates, we see it at Goodison and Villa. That’s where we are in today’s society. When supporters become frustrated and disappointed they look for people to blame.
“At first it was Ronny who got it and he’s now going so the sights are trained on me but my view is that, as a club, we’re in very good shape.
“We’ve had a very, very tough year but we look forward with a new manager and a new beginning.
“At the moment I’m focused on getting the right manager in and preparing for the new season.
“Criticism is par for the course when you’ve been at the club as long as I have. There are going to be lows and you’re going to get it in the neck. It’s the same for Dermot who’s been here even longer.
“I can understand why it happens because the supporters always look for more. But my life is based on reality, not perception. I know exactly where we are as a club. We’re in a good place.
If I decide to go or the board decides it’s time for me to go, then the club is merely going to get a new me. Now the new me might be better but he might not be as good. But the club will continue down the same track.”
Lawwell added: “I love the club. If it was about the money I wouldn’t be here. I’ve had opportunities to go — for a LOT of money — but I chose to stay.
“It’s not just been one opportunity either. But Celtic is my life. It’s more than a job, it’s a passion.
“I’ve supported Celtic all my life. I’d like to think when I do eventually go I can look back and say: ‘I did this, that and the next thing’.
“You’ve got social media and the bloggers, posters and trolls who think they know what’s going on at the club. They don’t.
“They don’t have all the information. The reality is different from their perception and I need to deal with reality every day.
“But criticism comes with living a public life in 2016. People dislike me having never met me, but that goes with the territory and you either put up with it or you don’t.
“And at the moment I’m putting up with it because I’ve got things to do. But I’ll be honest, the job is all-consuming, it’s 24/7.
“There is very little time in my life when I don’t think about Celtic and my job.”
Lawwell’s priority right now is to identify and appoint a manager to take Celtic into the Champions League. To do what Ronny Deila couldn’t.
But whether it’s Moyes, Rodgers, Lennon, Keane or AN Other what’s certain is that there isn’t going to be a huge pot of money to spend.
Lawwell added: “We’d love to go to the new manager and say we have a £40million warchest or a £50m warchest to buy the best and go for it.
“But we play in Scotland, we don’t have that. The reality is we don’t have an alternative to what we’re doing. For me that’s an exciting project for the right manager, the right guy. This is Celtic.
“It’s an iconic club, one of the biggest in the world. Even today we’re highly regarded as one of the best-run clubs in Europe.
“There is an excitement here which should be an attraction for somebody to come, get a hold of it and take us back into the Champions League.
“If your ambitions are to win the Scottish Premier League and move on then I can see that. But our ambition is to go further so for me it’s a very attractive proposition for somebody who wants to come in and create something.
“We get criticised for our strategy but I just don’t see any alternative. Everything we take out we put back in. But that’s it.
“We’re not going to take on any debt. We don’t have any other resources other than the ones we create for ourselves but that’s fine because we’ll spend everything we can. But it’s about getting the right manager to spend it wisely.”
He added: “It (Spending £20m) might. But if we take the club into £20m worth of debt, and it doesn’t happen, where does that leave us?
“For a Scottish club to owe that kind of money leads to trouble. You don’t have to look very far to see the consequences of people trying things which ‘might’ happen.
“That is something we will not do. But it’s not like we don’t spend money — our average is £10m a year on transfers.
“We can be flexible but we’re not going to take on debt which could ultimately be very dangerous.”
My own view?
He says we `don`t have all the information.`and I would have liked it if he explained why we don`t . Apart from that and the fact that it is in The Sun (Scotland`s biggest seller?), I cannot see anything that I find objectionable.
JJ
FYI
Homebhoys podcast last night available for download via Spreaker contains Res 12 discussion from ~54 mins
HH
Weeminger
Agree a fresh lead would be good. PL maybe hasn’t grown the business ( see turnover) but at least he’d leave a debt free set up behind with loads of potential. It would attract high calibre candidates who could make their mark quickly.