God love Packie Bonner, spend “£20m to £30m to bring those quality players the fans are desperate for”.
There are two opposing world views: one where people call for unaffordable money [those figures would be]to be spent because fans of a football club are “desperate”, the other where people want football clubs to spend what they can afford.
The latter group remember football’s crash-and-liquidate days – and learned the lessons. The former also remember the crash-and-liquidate days, but they are impervious to lessons.
We can debate what the size of an affordable spend is, but a couple of parameters have to be observed:
If it increases the cost base to such an extent that a reversal on the field would plunge the club into financial disarray, it’s unaffordable.
Players need to be appropriate for the environment – with neighbouring clubs earning £100m each season from TV deals, only players of a certain profile will play for a club with a considerably smaller wage bill (and turnover).
We live in a time when Scots Steven Naismith went for £8.5m (1 goal in 9 starts) and Ross McCormack went for £11m. These are common values for this calibre of player. We all want Celtic to improve, but that will not be achieved by spending unsuitable or unaffordable money. Packie, think back to Valentine’s Day 2012 and add a dose of perspective.
Get better at scouting, get fitter, improve the coaching – and spend everything you can afford, not any more. That’s the model for Celtic.
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Twist and turns. We do not spend what we earn
We keep a substantial sum incase we fail in Europe and Peter bonus needs to be paid out on zero debt
PJBHOYNYC 502
I reckon he just thinks he’s always right.
A word for which is cocksure.
Very similar to what I think of him.
Last week – Brendan Rodgers, no more bets at the bookies!
This week – Roy Keane, no more bets at the bookies!
Next week – David Moyes, no more bets at the bookies!
The following week – Pat Fenlon, no more bets at the bookies!
The week after that – Stephen Kenny, no more bets at the bookies!
…..etc, till season book renewal time runs out then……
Hey presto…..
New manager – Peter Houston!(he’s no a bad dark-horse btw)….imho.
Ye see, innocent, well meaning Celtic supporters are having the p#ss
ripped out them by the deceitful, sleekit, kowtowing, back of the bus
Celtic hierarchy who will take yer money then, smother you with puppet
managers and, project players who’ll continue to empty the stands…imho.
So,……what are you going to do ?
Be taken-in…again ?
Or,…..
Stand firm, keep yer season book money in yer bank accounts then, use it
when the deceitful, sleekit, scunnering, hierarchy have gone ?
This is yer last chance to ‘save’ Celtic Football Club from eating itself.
some folk will say that, if ye bhoycott – you’ll harm the club ?
I can see they’re point.
But, even more harm is being done to our club by the hierarchy with all they’re
kowtowing, hun-collusion, deceit, sleekitly-spinning-lies about new managers so
that you’ll be duped and, robbed of yer money that is they’re god.
This is yer last chance.
If ye don’t take it….you’ll pay the deceitful, sleekit, hierarchy to eat Celtic’s remaining
remnants…..is that what you want ?
The iron is hot until the 27th of May.
After that, you’ll either have delivered an emphatic vote of no confidence in the hierarchy
which will see them melt and, head for the hills.
Or, you’ll have been weak and allowed yourself to be duped and put the remaining remnants
of Celtic FC, onto the sacrificial alter of the returning, vengeful huns who’ll show you ‘no’ mercy
as they take they’re revenge on us and, the hierarchy will probably be on the Sandy Lane beeches
laughing up they’re cuffs at yeez.
Is that what you want ?
Decisions, decisions, decisions…..
Celtic’s very future will be decided this month…..by you.
Save Our Celts!
Willie Wilson….where are you when yer really needed ?
…..off-oot…..
Morning Hoopsters
Just scrolled back and read the big picture interview. Arrogance, ignorance or denial? I really can’t decide the feeling from inside the bunker.
Did it really serve any purpose other than one of self fulfillment?
HH
CRC
Lawwell added: “I love the club. If it was about the money I wouldn’t be here. I’ve had opportunities to go — for a LOT of money — but I chose to stay.
“It’s not just been one opportunity either. But Celtic is my life. It’s more than a job, it’s a passion.
“I’ve supported Celtic all my life. I’d like to think when I do eventually go I can look back and say: ‘I did this, that and the next thing’.
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Thank you , Peter.
That`s all I needed to hear to reinforce my opinion of you.
You have kept your head when ( some ) around you are losing their`s and blaming it on you.
Keep up the good work.
Good morning, CQN
Just came on to see what PL’s statement was. Very insipid. Was hoping to bear that CFC had taken Res12 to EUFA.
However, I see that the usual repetitive posts are here so will log off and do something useful.
HH
SydneyTims wife for CEO.
Why Peter Lawell got involved in the Syrian and Israeli/ Palestinian question when he should have been buying Leicester players is beyond me.
Hail hail the Donald ru someone we know.
I will refrain from the 5 in a row celebration as it is clearly a non event. Very subtle Jobo.
My pick for Manager because ST wife can’t do both jobs is James McAvoy , I mean he got aff wi Angelina Jolie AND saved the World from sinister forces of darkness. Plus he thinks he looks like Jinky.
Hail hail
Taurangabhoy
A few thoughts on Res 12, and LNS , and what options are open to clubs . These issues are complex and thanks to others who have provided the research on some of the key points . They know who they are.
Res 12.
Do I think Rangers were incorrectly awarded a Uefa licence ? ….I don’t know for sure , however i believe it’s highly likely. Can it be proven ? Not without Uefa co-operation in my view.
If Rangers were incorrectly awarded a Uefa licence , who is responsible ? The SFA / UEFA / Rangers ? …..
1) I believe the SFA are in the clear. Their responsibility was to approve the licence application at March 31. There was no overdue tax at that point.
2) Uefa could have granted an exception should there have been unpaid tax at June 30, however there were restrictions on their ability to do that and a responsibility to inform the SFA that an exception had been made . There was overdue tax and therefore if a licence was granted it had to be by exception.
” Exceptions related to items a), b), c), e) and f) are granted to a UEFA member
association and apply to all clubs which are registered with the UEFA member
association and which submit a licensing application to enter the UEFA club
competitions.”
The Process for requesting an exception
“An exception request must be in writing, clear and well founded”, and other for exceptions under the 3 year rule, “must be submitted by the UEFA member association to the UEFA”
In other words, for an exception to be granted, it is the SFA who would have required to have submitted the “clear and well-founded” written application.
Relevant grounds, in the case in question, for UEFA discretion over the requirements of Annex VIII.
a) The relevant amount has been paid.
b) The creditor has accepted, in writing, an agreement to extend the payment terms.
c) It has brought a legal claim disputing liability.
d) It is able to demonstrate that the clain against it is manifestly unfounded.
We know that none of the above applied in Rangers case . So it’s highly unlikely a
“clear and well-founded” written application could have been made.
Given the heat the SFA have had over this they could have killed Res 12 stone dead by confirming Uefa issued an exception. They would also have had to inform all Scottish clubs at the time of the exception. The fact that they haven’t and didn’t is as conclusive you can get that there was no exception. There is also the fact that none of the exceptions criteria applied in Rangers case. We just don’t know 100% that there was no exception but we can be almost certain that this was the case.
3) Which leaves only one possibility for the issuing of the licence . Rangers lied to Uefa when they had to confirm they had no overdue tax payables at June 30. Whyte lied to anyone and everyone, therefore it’s no stretch at all to believe that he lied to Uefa.
LNS
The key issues for me are :
1) Why was the enquiry period covered changed from 1998 to 2000 ?
The SPL announced on March 5th 2012 that the enquiry would cover payments made on or on behalf of Rangers since 1st July 1998 .
The SPL then on 2nd August 2012 announced that the enquiry would cover payments made on or on behalf of Rangers between 2000 and 2011.
Suggestions that the DOS was subject to appeal are nonsense. The debt was included in the CVA proposal from Duff and Phelps on May 2012. It wasn’t in a category of “to be confirmed ” . It was confirmed at £3.052 Million and confirmed as due to HMRC. So no dispute no appeal.
2) Why did the SPL accept that Rangers EBT use was and always would be lawful even if it was overturned on appeal ?
The unanimous decision of the Court of Session has shown that acceptance of permanent innocence to be ludicrous. The FTT majority decision clearly suited the SPL. So much so that they didn’t want to use any future decision that overturned it.
3) Why did the SPL accept Bryson’s interpretation ? Why didn’t they bring evidence of action taken by the SFA over minor discrepancies in registration for other clubs. These routinely resulted in the SFA overturning results and expelling clubs from competitions for issues as trivial as only dating a document once rather than twice. Bryson’s interpretation clearly suited the SPL.
4) Why did the SPL accept Ogilvie’s evidence without question or query.
They must have been fully aware of his role in setting up the DOS scheme given their original intention to include it in the enquiry . Ogilvie’s response that he knew nothing about the EBT scheme opened up an obvious follow up along the lines of ” were you aware of or involved in any tax schemes for players during your time at Rangers ” . That the SPL didn’t ask that question indicates clearly that were content to portray Ogilvie as innocent of any involvement in behaviour that brings the game into disrepute .
My own view is that Doncaster restricted the scope of the LNS enquiry to ensure Rangers would not receive the punishment their actions deserved. Doncaster more than any other regulatory official is responsible for damaging the integrity of the game in Scotland . His removal from office should be a prerequisite and a precursor to any reopening of the LNS enquiry.
LNS was the SPL’s enquiry. It’s scope and terms of reference were set by Doncaster, he instructed the SPL’s solicitors .
What can the clubs do.
Ask yourself the following questions :
1) “Have i read the Rules of the SPFL ? ”
2) ” Have I read the articles of The SFA and the SPFL”
3) ” If Yes to 1) and 2) do you fully understand what you have read ?
If you haven’t answered Yes to all 3 of the above you shouldn’t be venting about what any club can do . If you demand the club should be accusing anyone of cheating then you are effectively demanding the club be charged with bringing the game into disrepute and be slapped with a significant fine as a minimum.
Then ask yourself some follow up question.
4) Am i a senior decision maker in a £200 Million a year industry or am I a professional advisor in an industry of that size. Because if you haven’t had that experience you aren’t likely to understand that ranting and being overly confrontational is counter productive.
IF you can answer Yes to all 4 questions above you will know that you need to present your case in a manner that is fact based, is relevant and doesn’t offend the people you are hoping will support your cause.
The alternative is to mouth off empty platitudes, promise the earth and generally rabble rouse in an irresponsible manner. Otherwise known as the Dave King strategy .
I’m happy my club take the issues seriously and don’t look for cheap applause at the expense of a positive outcome. There is no guarantee Celtic will get justice for our support , and for Scottish football. They will though not dupe the support to take the pressure off of themselves
Good morning friends from a beautrifully bright, dry, but breezy East Kilbride.
Looking forward to Griff hitting his 40th tonight.
Macjay1
Re ‘Gimme Some Truth’
“Were Richard Nixon alive today, he would have no doubt been wishing he had consulted the Scottish Football Association on how to make a scandal ‘go away’.”
Blogger Matt Leslie, ‘Not Fit For Purpose’ 9/5/16.
According to yesterday’s HMDT West Ham can claim to be the Celtic of London.
They are ‘inextricably entwined with their Catholic constituency’
Brother Norbert , from the St Edward’s Reformatory School, invited them to play on the ole potato patch which became the Boleyn in 1904.
Until 1959 the stadium freehold was owned by the Westminster Diocesan Education Fund.
The ground is next to the Our Lady of Compassion Church, where Slaven Bilic often goes to Mass.
DBBIA/BillyBondsCSC
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Can someone explain the reason behind Lawwell’s interview?
There was absolutely nothing new in his comments, zero information about Res 12 as we were led to believe on here last night. No reference to the same club fantasy or LNS either. No, Instead we got the same regurgitated drivel on budgets etc etc.
If this was meant to galvanise the support in time for season ticket renewals? Then I think he’s failed misrably.
We the fans are looking for strong leadership in the face of a corrupt game it’s as simple as that. So grow a pair FFS Peter or eff off to a bigger wage packet & hand over to someone who already has them.
GERRYBHOY on 10TH MAY 2016 9:28 PM
Thanks! Selective information is no information at all.
HH!
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 11TH MAY 2016 6:26 AM
Lawwell added: “I love the club. If it was about the money I wouldn’t be here. I’ve had opportunities to go — for a LOT of money — but I chose to stay.
“It’s not just been one opportunity either. But Celtic is my life. It’s more than a job, it’s a passion.
“I’ve supported Celtic all my life. I’d like to think when I do eventually go I can look back and say: ‘I did this, that and the next thing’.
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Thank you , Peter.
That`s all I needed to hear to reinforce my opinion of you.
You have kept your head when ( some ) around you are losing their`s and blaming it on you.
Keep up the good work.
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Morning Macjay
Had your post been laced with irony I’d be giving it the old thumbs up.
As it stands it feels more as though I’m reading a fawning courtier complimenting Marie Antoinette on her latest baking suggestion!
;-)
HH jamesgang
3 days after the JFT96 walk their banner around Celtic Park we get Peter talking to that rag – he just doesn’t get it – so out of touch
BEATBHOY on 11TH MAY 2016 6:55 AM
He had the Washington Post to contend with.
And we have………………………………………………..?
Cheers , pal.
JAMESGANG on 11TH MAY 2016 7:38 AM
Let them eat huns.
:-)
Just read lawwells sun exclusive. Jesus wept.
Here was me stupidly getting hopeful last night following winning captains goading of me last night.
Just shows you eh. What a crock.
We dont speculate to accumulate. What a statement from a a ceo earning a cool million quid a year. Also there is no akternative to the strategy. What leadership and foresight.
Arrogant
Lazy
Complacent
And a massive two fingered salute to all if us.
Nothing has been learned. No taking stock.
Just a message that says we know better and gies your money.
Dearie dearie me winnings. Have you just been played for a fool? Dont worry we all are.
I wint go on about it being in the sun either but hey it just confirms how out of touch this board are.
Do not guve them any money. Withdraw your season tickets. If you have renewed cancel.
What an absolute joke.
I winder what squirrels paul will come out with today.
Well there you have it!
Log on early to catch the ‘great interview’ only to find out it carries as much weight as Neville Chamberlain’s: Peace for our time speech.
Hope and anticipation are often better than reality CSC!
Would it be at all within the realms of feasibility that PL did mention Res12 etc and the Sun edited it out ? Or, is this just wishful thinking on my part? HH
Macjay
Sticky buns?
;-)
Praecepta
Peace in our time?
Mare substance in a piece n jam.
Oh but that would involve jam today. Not on the menu.
My dilemma as to whether or not to renew will be resolved by Celtic’s actions…..or inactions. Just let’s say that anodyne crap in that paper of all papers hasn’t got me reaching for my wallet.
HH jamesgang
I tried to c&p this,but here’s the link instead.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dundee-united-set-docked-points-7942320#mAZBL4XPcCmaGjpz.97
Seems Dundee United are set to be docked points for fielding an ineligible player. I thought they had done away with punishment for that nowadays…
JAMESGANG
I’ve said it before,when such as yourself joins the mineshafters/malcontents,then the club have h-u-g-e problems.
Wishing them away will not make it so,they had best realise very quickly the genuine anger and disconnect felt by the fans towards the Plc.
Is that it? Really?? Exclusive and revelatory?????
Is WC really PL?
Has anyone ever seen them together?
Justaskingcsc
HH
JAMESGANG on 11TH MAY 2016 7:52 AM
Macjay
Sticky buns?
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Damn .
That`s the line I was looking for.
Barcabhoy 6.40 am
Thanks for the sensible contribution .
There is no doubt that we judge from afar without the necessary information and experience to make much of our judgements fare and right.
I do have a knot in my stomach at your last sentence ,because I think that is exactly what the club are about to do with resolution 12.
TT
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS at 7.52 am
Didn’t open the link but thanks for the digest. Surely DUFC can refer to precedents or say that the player was not ineligible but merely had an unusual registration. HH
Insipid. Thats what someone earlier said of the big interview.
That just about sums it up.
..
Winning Captains.
Where you led to believe that there was to be more than that
Lawwell is a Narcissist..
No surprises there from our 1m a year man. Him along with the West Brit are playing us.
About time RES.12 came to a head one way or the other. The Bhoys behind this are doing a fantastic job but the PLC needs to show their hand before things getugly.
KTF
Top of the morning to you all, it’s your favourite majority shareholder here again
Exciting times ahead today in Scotland at my main financial and emotional investment and i just have to be there in person on this momentous day….but that’s enough about the Dunhill Golf Proam at St Andrews, let’s talk about the Celtics that you guys are so fixated on.
I hope that you enjoyed big Peter’s piece in the Sun today (great paper, great history, great political principles, great journalists and we very much enjoy working with them in the future)
I hope you ingrates are all suitably ashamed of yourself. Big Peter goes through absolute torture and makes so many personal sacrifices for the Celtics, he is the best CEO in the world and we are one the best run clubs in Europe.
You plebs are lucky to have us- when will you get that into your thick skulls?
Your team would be like a maribor or a Malmo or even a molde but for us. You would do well to remember that, peasants.
This Resurrection 12 business is not going to be allowed to block the “old firm” from taking it’s rightful place in the A&E wards of Scottish hospitals next season. Neil Doncaster and Stewart Regan have been put on message by big Peter and our press team have our lines to take if pressed on what we have done about this business – big peter’s whippet ate our strongly worded letter to UEFA and oh dear that ship has now sailed…..up the Clyde and in a big banana boat with all you fans of the Celtics on it.
Better news- the man from Del Monte, he says yes and so does Joe Kinnear.
Exciting times ahead, trust me. In fact there’ll be so much jam tomorrow that I need to buy some shares in Robertsons
Toodleloo
ANTEACHSOLAIS
Hmmm…
I recall something similar,but thought I must have been imagining it.
An teach its wishful thinking i am afraid.
Just shows you. This board think they are fab. There is no end to their stupidty and clearly no bottom to the pit they have prepared for us.
Barcabhoy
“If you haven’t answered Yes to all 3 of the above you shouldn’t be venting about what any club can do . If you demand the club should be accusing anyone of cheating then you are effectively demanding the club be charged with bringing the game into disrepute and be slapped with a significant fine as a minimum.”
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Charged by whom?
The SFA? The SPFL?
How ironic would that be?
Wow! PL made a few statements and didn’t satisfy some Celtic fans (no surprise there then) and those who post “we as Celtic fans” posts please exclude me from your list, you don’t speak for me, you or level 5, or the DR, or SSB,or the CT, or the GB, or the lurking Huns and SMSM in here, the same man kept his powder dry in 2012 when all hell was breaking lose over by at the asbestos dome, and he knew more than anyone what was going on, same as he dose with res12, and YOU!
Want a statement from him? Aye right, probably the most winningest team in professional domestic leagues on the planet, and you want answers? I’ll give you one, there’s yer fecking dinner, But keep the level5 negativity posts coming, you don’t know it (or do you) but your playing a blinder for them, and I thought zombies where gaulable.
Macjay
You listen to me son. I’ll look after you!
;-)
Bobbio
I’m the original happy clapper. Founded member of Glass3/4FullCSC. I agree, when I’m scunnered and devoid of faith then there must be plenty to be scunnered and devoid of faith about!
If Jungle Jim puts down his golf club and picks up a pitchfork then we really will be going to B&Q to make a guillotine!
What say you Jim?!?!
HH jamesgang
BEATBHOY
BARCABHOY is correct,ironic or not. If we cannot provide the truth of our allegations,we stand to be punished for them as lies.
Think of the time Liberace successfully sued The Daily Mirror for merely insinuating that he was gay…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberace_v_Daily_Mirror
BARCABHOY on 11TH MAY 2016 6:40 AM
‘Then ask yourself some follow up question.
4) Am i a senior decision maker in a £200 Million a year industry or am I a professional advisor in an industry of that size. Because if you haven’t had that experience you aren’t likely to understand that ranting and being overly confrontational is counter productive.’
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I haven’t really been following the Res 12 stuff in any great detail, mainly because I think it’s a bit of a distraction.
But that’s one of the daftest things I’ve ever read on here. Quite an accolade.
If I’ve missed the ironical intent then I apologise.