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Government’s decade of harassing and criminalising football fans

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I get that we all need to do our bit to suppress Covid, but we know so much more about the disease now than we did earlier in the year.  We know its transmission rates in well-monitored socially distanced outdoor spaces is significantly less than unmonitored indoor spaces.  Maybe by as much as 1000 times safer.

If the country needs to go back into lockdown, fair enough, but if indoor venues are preferred over football stadiums it has nothing whatsoever to do with the virus or science.  It is politicians who are blind to evidence picking on the same people they have victimised for years.  This Government has harassed and attempted to criminalise football fans since they got their mits of power over a decade ago, it would be a disgrace if they went against the science to stick the boot in one more time.

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  1. Really fed up now trying to make a case for supposed fans to get off the boy Taylor’s back.Now its”He is 23″.He may well be,but he has not even had a season playing in a new position.At Killie,he was a defender,with us,he is mostly in the opposition half.Totally different.Ajer has been playing CH for years now,and still not mastered a lot of the basics.I have not the slightest idea why we have people who only want to criticize players.Do you honestly think this does not get back to them?Do you think it helps?”Would be happy with Bakker”.Wouldn’t we all,but we don’t have him.We have a guy putting in 100% every game,and in my,and a lot of others I know,opinion,doing well.

     

    Would love to know Calmacs thoughts on playing alongside Taylor,and the support he gets from him.

  2. Ernie Lynch,

     

     

    I appreciate the thinking behind the no sound rule in pubs. But there is no science behind it.

     

     

    If there was then surely some other country in the ” free” world would have adopted it.

     

     

    Do we mitigate against every single potential risk, no matter just how low the risk is.?

     

     

    In the meantime we let domestic and international flights packed to the rafters continue.

     

     

    Cheers and HH.

  3. Turkebhoy

     

    To lessen your fed -upness, let me say that I am with you re Greg Taylor.

     

    He is a decent, hard-working wing-back. Of course, he is no KT but he is not as bad a some claim.

     

    I mentioned exaggeration before re fans at matches and I think the same holds true here. Obviously, some do not rate Taylor. That is fine but I don`t think it needs constant repetition nor the aforementioned exaggeration.

  4. `GENE on 22ND SEPTEMBER 2020 3:18 PM

     

    Pleasantly surprised England haven’t introduced bans on visiting other households.`

     

     

    Has Scotland?

  5. CHAVEZ on 22ND SEPTEMBER 2020 2:21 PM

     

     

    A decade or now when people look back at this pandemic they’re going to laugh at twats whose major concern was getting inside the stadium to see their team. There are much bigger issues, frankly.

     

     

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    How true, I don’t think we need to wait the decade the decade though.

     

     

    I think the new Covid measures might fall far short of what is required today, this is not a football issue and despite the fact we’re all on a football forum, some posters get pandemic, and some still don’t.

     

     

    The right to live or somebody else’s right to see a football match is a non non sequitur. VST was a much more serious option put forward by CFC than even they thought, the tedious we’ll have fans back in Paradise in jig time, was business is business, but there were posters on this very site, who said, it wouldn’t happen.

     

     

    Plenty of fans however knew and accepted the chances were ,they’d be nowhere near Celtic Park this year, especially those that understood lockdown and what it could best achieve. Buying a VST was about preserving a football club, not about paying over the odds for something we might get to see laters.

     

     

    Those desperate to be picked at random to sit in Celtic Park really need to wake up and smell the coffee.

  6. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    Ernie Lynch at 1:06pm ….

     

     

    Genuinely hear what you are saying.

     

     

    The preparation for readmittance – including hygiene management – would clearly be a factor.

     

     

    And based on where the evidence takes us, I am comfortable that I could be persuaded (fairly easily) that it is NOT safe to admit even a small percentage of fans in to stadiums.

     

     

    That said, I don’t think I’ll ever be persuaded that pubs ….

     

     

    ……. whose business model is predicated on impairing the senses of their customers while those customers are on that business’s premises !!!! ….

     

     

    ….. are safer places to converge on than open air stadiums which are 10% full.

     

     

    Hail hail

     

     

    Keep The Faith

  7. BIG JIMMY

     

     

    Exceptions apply for people living on their own, so Kylie can visit you after all 😈

  8. HOT SMOKED on 22ND SEPTEMBER 2020 3:27 PM

     

     

    The ban already in place in Glasgow is to be extended across the whole of Scotland

     

     

    No meeting in other people’s homes. You can see one other household in a group up to 6 outdoors I believe.

  9. How about, he’s 23,and in my opinion not good enough? We all want every player to do well for us,some,actually quite a few in recent years haven’t been up to it.

  10. ernie

     

    Of academic interest only :

     

    Which of these do you believe poses the greater risk:

     

    a) 10% of capacity at a sports stadium;

     

    b) Socially disatanced attendance in a pub?

  11. What the SNP are concerned with is not the actual football but the threat to Public Order mainly by the Huns.

     

    Covid has given them an opportunity to not only isolate but the threat to Public order, Last Season the Huns were marched from Celtic park to merchant city where a group broke away and stabbed a few Tims outside the Pubs. One of them nearly died from a live changing injury. SNP dont hate football, its hooligans they don’t like

     

     

    Now its all been said by earlier pundits travelling to game, mixing in the catering areas and shouting and singing. I heard Scottish Opera chap saying singing can spread virus 8 times more effective than talking.

     

     

    All the above and earlier comments are all true and coming from Celtic fans who want to see their team. I don’t for one minute believe that its all down to Peter Lawwell wanting his bonus!!!. This is 10 in a row, we all want to be there.

  12. BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 22ND SEPTEMBER 2020 3:28 PM

     

    “some posters get pandemic, and some still don’t.”

     

    Stuff like this is embarrassing. Posters like yourself are no better qualified to talk about the pandemic than those who disagree.

     

    There’s no evidence that suggests pubs, restaurants, retail shops, cinemas etc. are safer than a reduced attendance stadium outdoors.

     

    “The right to live or somebody else’s right to see a football match is a non non sequitur. “

     

    You could say that about anything. Close the pubs, close the public parks, close the cinemas etc.

     

    We will continue to see a more flexible attitude on the continent that allows some fans the enjoyment at the football.

     

     

    Knowing that there is value in community activities such as going to the football. That people’s mental health is important and they should be able the opportunity for some properly socially distanced recreation.

     

    Think it’s a bit rich, that people like taxi drivers or waiters work in environments less safe than a football stadium for others but have no chance of enjoying a day at the football.

     

    Most of us buying season books not knowing if we would get into the stadium that year. I agree with the sentiment. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t want a flexible evidence-based approach to fans attending games.

  13. TURKEYBHOY @ 3.16

     

     

    Agree re the new escape goat wee Greg Taylor.

     

     

    3-5-2 puts the onus on his attacking capability something he was unlikely to master at Kilmarnock from where we bought him as a ‘full back’.

     

     

    Not the best defender either?, but more unlikely to be Maldini or Tierney overnight either especially in a five.

     

     

    3-5-2 isn’t working particularly well IMO and we should return to a four for Latvia

     

     

    This would allow the wee guy to play more freely in the wing back role he’s been handed

     

     

    El Hamed, Jullien, Duffy, Ajer would be my back four

     

     

    HH

  14. ” !!BADA BING!! on 22ND SEPTEMBER 2020 3:32 PM

     

    How about, he’s 23,and in my opinion not good enough? ”

     

     

    That, IMO, is perfectly reasonable .

     

    If, however, you post it another five or six times,I mght begin to wonder why :-))

  15. !!BADA BING!! on 22ND SEPTEMBER 2020 3:32 PM

     

    How about, he’s 23,and in my opinion not good enough? We all want every player to do well for us,some,actually quite a few in recent years haven’t been up to it.

     

     

     

     

    That’ll never pass the censors mate. Don;t you know that no other narrative is allowed about Greg.

     

     

    In other news Nadir Cifci is 28 years old and still developing.

     

     

    HH fella.

  16. Go tell the Spartim on

    Imagine If you did have all the scientific information how would you use it? You’d use it to support your own agenda.

     

     

    I’d vote for independence but never the SNP

     

    Historically anti Irish catholic, like labour they’re just diet Tories, they hate football and they’re supporters etc

     

     

    Like others I’m more concerned at saving lives, even just one, than using up Plods time to cover a-couple thousand football supporters

  17. Big Wavy

     

     

    I remember watching Fenerbahce v Celtic in the Celtic pub in Dublin and got talking to 2 Fenerbahce lads.

     

     

    They saw Cifci’s name on the screen and said ‘ that’s a Turkish name, who is he?’

  18. Timaloy29

     

     

    I don’t post about Covid19 and anything I do know about it, isn’t gleaned from what somebody posted on CQN who could for all I know be the SPAR meal deal of posters.

     

     

    Flexible evidence-based approach to fans attending games?

     

     

    You may be desperate to escape the tedium of Covid and see Celtic, good on you. I’ve a season ticket for Celtic Park too, but have currently zero interest in attending Celtic Park, especially with your ‘evidence based’ on a country like Germany nearly 10 times the size of Scotland.

     

     

    Nobody gets it 100% right in a pandemic including Celtic.

  19. Coneybhoy

     

     

    Sums it up really. Our SPFL transfer targets are quite often honkingly mediocre with a few exceptions. I seen nothing of Taylor at Killie that made him stand out and he looked an ok punt as reserve to Boli (who of course turned into an absolute eijit).

     

     

    We need to correct that mistake (which I’m sure we will).

     

     

    HH

  20. HOT SMOKED on 22ND SEPTEMBER 2020 3:36 PM

     

    ernie

     

     

     

     

    Of academic interest only :

     

     

     

     

    Which of these do you believe poses the greater risk:

     

     

     

     

    a) 10% of capacity at a sports stadium;

     

     

     

     

    b) Socially disatanced attendance in a pub?

     

     

     

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    Which pub? Which stadium? Far too many variables to even attempt to guess.

     

     

    I don’t think the pubs should have been opened, but I can understand the reasoning behind the decision (economic benefit). The same benefit doesn’t flow from opening stadiums.

  21. Paraphrased from a Twitter post – So, next Monday night it’s Liverpool v Arsenal with an 8.15 kick off. Quite amused by the idea of people watching in the pub only to get booted out in around the 86th minute ;-)

  22. Pubs are indoors which is worse.

     

     

    Secondly, pubs aren’t operating at 10% capacity like football clubs have proposed.

     

     

    Pubs are generally filling every table

  23. Big Georges Fan Club - Hail, Hail, Wee Oscar on

    BAMBOO on 22ND SEPTEMBER 2020 2:25 PM

     

    Theres NO second wave. Its a lie. Its just tests that get loads of false positives and a few that feeling bit off weather. Its a pretext for the theroll-out of the Great New Global Reset. Checkout the World Economic Forum . They are implementing a worldwide takeover thats been years in the planning .

     

    This is the big one. Get researching .

     

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    Idiot

  24. James Forrest.

     

     

    I agree with every word of that.

     

     

    As a 60 year old with Asthma I’ve already concluded that I won’t be setting foot in Paradise this season. If fans are allowed back in early 2021 my son will occupy my seat – assuming he wishes to.

     

     

    I’m already looking ahead to next season and trying to imagine how that is going to look. I wonder how many of the 60,000 with a VST are going to renew on the same basis as this year – that hopefully you’ll get to attend a game at some point. It must already be a major concern for clubs.

  25. glendalystonsils on

    BIG GEORGES FAN CLUB – HAIL, HAIL, WEE OSCAR on 22ND SEPTEMBER 2020 4:59 PM

     

     

    Indeed . Who put the Bam in Bamboo.

  26. Jullien

     

    Bitton, , Duffy, El Hamed

     

    would be my defensive four with Julien playing sweeper , Barkas or Bain in goals take your pick.

     

     

    wee Taylor , too wee to be a defender and being not very good could be a couple of reasons for the bhoy not being selected.

  27. ernie

     

    Thanks for the reply.

     

    Although I agree there are too many variables , I felt the 10%/ social distancing would have nullified some of those.

     

     

    PS

     

    If people meeting in groups is a major factor in the spread of this disease, pubs being open beggars belief.

  28. TIMALOY29 on 22ND SEPTEMBER 2020 4:49 PM

     

    Pubs are indoors which is worse.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Secondly, pubs aren’t operating at 10% capacity like football clubs have proposed.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Pubs are generally filling every table

     

     

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    So the pubs should be closed.

  29. Saying Pubs, restaurants, and cinemas should be closed is a position I at least understand

     

     

    Believing that all these public indoor venues are safe but an outdoor football stadium is unsafe isn’t. There is no merit to it and that’s not what the science suggests.

     

     

    The SNP themselves acknowledged that outdoor gatherings are safer earlier this year when they allowed outdoor gatherings only.

     

     

    The true position is: football isn’t as essential to the economy as these other recreational activities. So despite being SAFER, it will continue to be closed off.

     

     

    I don’t think Paul is out of line to point out the SNP government’s previous antipathy towards football fans.

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