I see the story that Feyenoord are chasing John Guidetti has lasted more days than I expected. John Guidetti is a likeable guy and seems to have enjoyed his time at Celtic, but he desperately needs to show some form before the end of the season if he is to attract the attention of Feyenoord or any team of that calibre.
One aspect often overlooked about Guidetti is his inexperience. The player is still only 22 and had started only 30 games before arriving at Celtic Park last season, there’s a good chance that by the end of the season he will have played more games for Celtic than anyone else. On paper, a season at Celtic was a chance to sort his career out, grab first team football at a prestigious club who were short of a centre forward. Conversely, being kept out of the team by Leigh Griffiths will damage his reputation.
Barcabhoy sent me an interesting summary of Celtic’s material loss since the liquidation of Rangers. The figures below compare the three years before Rangers liquidation with the two and a half years since.
As you see, even though we are comparing a shorter time period after liquidation, Celtic’s turnover and profitability is still miles better than when we had to compete with Rangers.
This should end any nonsense about Celtic needing or in any way missing Rangers. We lost some revenue streams: domestic commercial and ticket income, but the slipstream to European revenues have more than made up for the gap. More importantly, we are also no longer caught in an arms race with a death-risk opponent, allowing us to bring costs below income and plan longer than the current season.
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BGX
I am still up.
I think your problem might be with the nature of scientific proof.
Nothing is proved in science and logic without fear of being refuted.
The nature of science is to set up hypotheses which can be tested to see if they can be disproved.
Thus your false starting point is wanting to “prove” that a Sporting Advantage was gained.
That hypothesis would be put to the test of seeing if it could be disproved.
People train in order to have greater stamina and ability to perform when fatigued. They would not do so if they believed that by losing to someone who had not trained as well as them, or at all, were just as likely to win the race. They do so because they know there is an association, a correlation, between training well and achieving success. They also know there is no formula for a guaranteed win; if there was everyone would be doing it and they cannot all win, therefore the idea of a guarantee is an absurdity.
To paraphrase your own words…
Let Me say AGAIN..FOR THE HARD OF READING…i see many ways that no SPORTING ADVANTAGE can be DISPROVED..
That does mean I think they Had it..…i just dont think it can be PROVED… because nothing can be proved. so i dont Bitch about it because I understand the nature of proof.
All Nimmo Smith had to believe, on the balance of probabilities, is that sporting advantage is gained by buying better players and that Rangers used illegal means to buy theirs. It is certainly how CL teams gain success by having large squads of quality players and a small group of super-fit superstars. Therefore the team that buys the best players and pays them well enough to retain them has an advantage (not a guarantee) over those that don’t.
It is not a smart point to say “It cannot be proven” because that all stands or falls by what you understand as proof and the nature of proof. I cite Karl Popper in my argument. Who are you citing as your authority in understanding the nature of proof?
Do you even accept that the words advantage and guarantee are different words with different meanings?
Goodnight for sure, this time.
HT
Peadars and traceys are next door to each other at bottom of waterloo st.. 2 of the most well known pubs in the city so dont be afraid to ask a local.
Peadars is the home of the paul mcstay csc.. great piece of glass work at the back of the bar.
Pity your not staying there at night…trad music every night in there and bar always busy with bus loads of tourists aswel as locals.
BGX’
Please leave the lads alone. As I have said you have a seat in Dublin 2016
Anyway you have a seat, please let me know by e mail
dublin2016@mail.com
Bgx,
It may be of assistance to consider the matter in terms of performance enhancing drugs.
The athlete taking drugs will not necessarily win the race. It may be impossible to prove that the drugs gave him an advantage. Indeed the drugs may not have given him an advantage.
However we can say that taking the drugs is against the rules. We can say that the purpose of taking the drugs is to gain an advantage. We can say this even if the athlete finishes last.
Similarly in this case we can say that the purpose of unlawful, undeclared , tax free payments to players was against the rules. We can also say that the purpose of this was to gain an advantage by playing players that they could otherwise not afford.
I think we must look to the purpose and not the result.
Hx2
I don’t normally bother too much with the financial press, I ain’t got the money to stress and I’m aware for most this will be old news, however….
This is part of an e-mail I received last night. The guy who sent it is a rather astute geezer. The associated attachments were too big to copy and paste but this sort of gives you the gist:
Just a wee reminder.
Remember Cyprus, and with the world in economic stress and the immediate outlook rather bleak at best, and 2018 fast approaching – don’t ever have all your eggs in one basket. And remember, governments everywhere like to move the goal-posts from whence to wherever and any point in-between or beyond.
EU agrees banks’ bail-in deal
Banks on verge of collapse will have to tap shareholders before falling back on state-funded rescues in the future.
Jill Treanor: The Guardian 2013
Banks on the verge of collapse will be forced to tap their shareholders, bondholders and biggest customers for cash before falling back on taxpayer bailouts under an agreement hammered out by European Union members.
The plans were heralded by Greg Clark, financial secretary to the Treasury, as a route to avoiding state-funded rescues in the future. They require the coalition’s levy on bank balance sheets to be used as a potential source of cash for a possible contingency to fund any bailouts in the UK.
The agreement reached in Brussels is intended to shield taxpayers from another round of crippling bank bailouts of the kind that took place in 2008 and also avoid a re-run of the eurozone crisis where troubled banks and heavily indebted governments have become inextricably linked.
But a final agreement will need to clinched with the European Parliament and even then the plans would not come into force until 2018.
“This is a very long term prospect,” said economists at Société Générale. “The new bail-in regime is set to become law from 2018 only and the new resolution funds will be completed ‘within 10 years’,” the SocGen economists added.
It also does not solve the ongoing debate in the eurozone about the use of the European Stability Mechanism intended to rescue banks.
Under the regime being created, a clear pecking order for collapsing banks is set out: shareholders are first; certain types of bondholders; and then customers who have deposits over the guaranteed level of €100,000 (£85,000). These three types of creditors would need to take minimum losses of 8% of a troubled bank’s total liabilities.
The next 5% would come from a resolution fund which has to be built up over 10 years and cover 0.8% of the insured deposits in any given country. In the case of the UK this would amount to £8bn although the government has secured a deal that means it does not have to set up a national fund and instead can make a financing arrangement through the bank levy. In 2011/12 the levy, which is subject to a review in the autumn, raised £1.8bn for the exchequer and is forecast to bring in £8bn by 2015.
Clark said: “Our priority all along has been to agree resolution tools that work in practice and I am pleased to say that the rules of the game have now changed – gone are the days when European taxpayers will be forced to bail out a failing bank”. He added: “The agreement represents a big success for the UK.”
But there are concerns about how bond holders will react to having to take losses, Neil Williamson, head of EMEA credit research at Aberdeen Asset Management, said that while bondholders in banks should not expect taxpayer support, in the midst of a crisis it could be difficult to enact the proposals. “The market will begin to price in higher potential losses for senior bank bonds as well as the impact of lower credit ratings from the removal of government support, something that is bound to be accelerated by yesterday’s agreement,” Williamson said.
• This article was amended on 28 June 2013 to make it clear that customers who have deposits above €100,000 will be tapped for cash before taxpayers.
Is Charlie Sheen Happy,
Great post.
You are very welcome, dublin2016@mail.com
Clogher,
Clogher celt
Do you know yet what is planned for next year yet..who is remembering it etc
Is government having their own ? Or is it one big parade with them SF etc ? I see there is already some revisionist play is already underway and talk of inviting royal family etc
I take it you will then have smaller events by eirigi etc
Proudbhoy,
Sorry I am out of the country at the moment. No doubt the government will try and maximise things.
I was thinking of keeping things as simple as possible.
Maybe a meal and music. I think every parish in Dublin is going to walk into town on Easter Sunday… I think it will be something else.
I don’t honestly think it is about Politics, just about remembering 1916, and maybe trying for a different future.
There are a few kids coming over.
Anyway, trying my best
I hope your right but we all know this type of event will be hijacked by those who have nothing at all in common with connolly pearse etc
I was thinking of moving back to ireland in time for it but not sure to be honest..depresses me to see how divided the republican people are these days..particularly in my home town.
Blueshirts like enda kenny..micheal martin etc standing up and reading writings from connolly and things like that would turn my stomach.
Anyway goodluck organising it ..big and great idea. There should be lots on that weekend that will be worth going to.. lectures ..discussion forums etc then alot of social events.
Rent croker and stick on the biggest fenian concert in history ..
Proudbhoy,
I read your post again, don’t let them take 1916 from ye.
It will be a great time to be Irish
proudbhoy,
Send me an e mail at dulin2016@mail,com. I could do with a bit of help. Ireland is a complex place, but it the best place I have ever found.
Clogher
Proud
I think Padraig and James would want you back..
Won’t be the same without you there.
See you are one of us,
Clogher
I’ll send u email with somd ideas or things that would interest me.. might not help you alot but also may give you some ideas or put some other ideas off your own into your head.
Work hasnt gone as planned so far this year so april next year might be few months too early for us noe. See what happens. Things quickly change in life as you know.
Where you from yourself ?
Who said
I want to play at a big club and it’s a dream to play at a big club but for now I just focus on Celtic,”
HH
Proud bhoy,
County Louth, as you know the best County. Anyway don,t don’t worry.
You have plenty of friends.
Fine place indeed.
Try email you asap with ideas.
awe_naw
Young Jason yesterday?
HH
By Francis M. Carroll
The passenger liner Athenia sailed from Glasgow on 1 September 1939, picked up more passengers off Belfast later that day, and departed from Liverpool at about 4am the next morning (2 September), bound for Quebec City and Montreal in Canada. War was declared by the British government at 11am on Sunday 3 September, by which time the Athenia was only about 250 miles north-west of Inishtrahull Island, off County Donegal. German submarines, however, were already on the prowl around Britain and Ireland. At approximately 7.35pm, just as the sun was setting, Oberleutnant Fritz-Julius Lemp, commanding the U-30, fired two torpedoes at the approaching Athenia, one of which struck the ship near the engine room on the port side. Although the watertight doors were closed immediately, they only slowed the incoming water; the ship was dealt a mortal blow and began settling by the stern. For Western Europe and for Ireland, this was the dramatic beginning of the Second World War.
Fortunately, all of the Athenia’s 26 lifeboats were launched, albeit two with some difficulty and loss of life. Although there were periodic squalls, the weather was relatively mild, with seas of four to six feet, growing to something closer to eight to ten feet by morning. Distress signals were picked up by a number of vessels in the vicinity and within a matter of hours a rescue was accomplished. One thousand, three hundred and six passengers and crew were saved, although 112 were lost. The stricken Athenia finally sank at about 11am on Monday 4 September. One of the rescue ships was the Norwegian freighter Knute Nelson, which picked up 430 survivors. Under orders from her owners to bring the survivors into a neutral port, the Knute Nelson steered south for Galway, Ireland having declared neutrality on 2 September.
The Knute Nelson radioed to the harbour master, Captain T. Tierney, that they were making for Galway with hundreds of refugees. Captain Tierney quickly informed all the local authorities to be prepared to deal with disaster relief. A committee was formed on Monday evening, including Galway mayor Joseph F. Costello and the Catholic bishop of Galway Dr Michael Browne. The committee alerted Galway County Council, the Board of Health, the Central Hospital, local hotels and the local bus company. The mayoress, Mrs Costello, also organised a committee of 38 local women to lead the volunteers, including the Girl Guides, who would be essential in looking after the specific needs of the refugees. The Irish cabinet met in Dublin late on Monday and made £500 available to the mayor to provide food, clothing and medical care to the survivors. Instructions were also sent to units of the Irish Army and An Garda Síochána to cooperate with local authorities in providing care and facilities, and the local schools were to be made available to house people. Seán T. O’Kelly, acting for the minister for education, made available the Preparatory College at Taylor’s Hill, Coláiste Éinde, to be used for refugees, as well as Galway Grammar School. The Irish Red Cross also started a subscription to raise money to assist the relief effort.
Shortly before midnight on Monday a pilot boat went out to Black Head to meet the Knute Nelson and steer the ship into Galway roads to anchor. Some time in the middle of the night a tender from Galway, Cathair Na Gaillimhe, under Captain William Goggin, anchored in the roadstead to wait for the freighter. The tender carried a local priest, Fr Conway, Dr S. Ó Beirne and Dr R. Sandys, and below decks were a number of nurses. Units of the 1st Infantry (Irish-Speaking) Battalion were on board to carry the stretcher cases off the ship, and members of An Garda Síochána were standing by. While it was still dark, a launch took out to the tender several more doctors, some journalists, Mayor Costello, Army Commandant Pádraig Ó Duinnín, Garda Chief Superintendent T. Ó Coileáin, and US minister to Ireland John C. Cudahy, who had come into Galway overnight. Dawn broke on a cold, raw day, with low clouds and white caps on the water, as the freighter slowly made its way to the roadstead, dropping anchor off Galway just after 10am on Tuesday 5 September.
As we went alongside the Knute Nelson a tremendous cheer went up from the survivors who lined the decks’, wrote the Connacht Tribune correspondent, Seán Kenny. ‘Many of them broke down completely and wept openly’, and more touching scenes were to come. Minister Cudahy was the first up the ladder to greet the survivors and to confer with Captain James Cook of the Athenia, but he was followed closely by Fr Conway and the doctors. Under the direction of the doctors, the Irish soldiers brought the stretcher cases and injured onto the tender first. Ten seriously injured stretcher cases were removed from the ship; among them were several elderly people, two Athenia crewmen who had been badly hurt in the explosion, and three children. Then the walking survivors made their way down the stairway, many only partially clad or wrapped in blankets, and some wearing makeshift footgear made of gunny sacks and bits of cloth. A number of survivors suffered from broken bones, burns and bruises. Many people seemed still in a state of shock, particularly the children, who were crying or calling for their parents. Even so, when asked how she was doing, one young woman called down blithely from the Knute Nelson to a reporter on the tender, ‘I have lost everything except my sense of humour’. Most survivors expressed their gratitude toward Captain Carl J. Andersson and his crew. When all the survivors were on board the tender and the Knute Nelson began to weigh anchor to return to sea, one of them called out, ‘Three cheers for the captain of the Knute Nelson’, which was followed by still another shouting, ‘Three cheers for his crew’. Grateful farewells were said to the Norwegian crew who had worked to provide as much comfort as possible to the survivors.
When the tender came into Galway at about noon, hundreds of people lined the quay and gave a heartfelt cheer to the survivors themselves. But many observers were shocked and brought to tears at the sight of the distressed survivors, dressed in their borrowed sweaters and dungarees or cloaked in blankets. They were a bedraggled lot, and the children were most pathetic. The Gardaí assisted people off the tender, the injured first. White-uniformed nurses from the Galway Central Hospital and the army medical corps waited on the pier to assist all those with injuries. Once ashore, each person was given a hot cup of Bovril, good Irish bread and butter, and tea. Each of the survivors registered with the authorities, both for purposes of entry and to sort out the tangle of who was saved and who was lost. The Gardaí assisted people through this registration process. A witness to all of this, Seán Kenny, declared, ‘It was a sight that will imprint itself on my memory for all time’. Eventually, people were taken by bus to the Royal Hotel, where the survivors were given something more to eat and were directed to other hotels, homes and facilities where they could stay for the next several days. Toilet articles—combs, toothbrushes, shaving equipment—were provided, and in many instances new clothing was given. Galway, then quite a small city, opened its doors to the survivors. ‘The people of Galway have the greatest sympathy for these victims of the first casualty of the sea’, said Bishop Browne, ‘and are anxious to give them the Christian reception which should be afforded to human beings in such circumstances.’ Countless stories were told of shopkeepers refusing to take money for goods, not to mention the offer of free drinks for any survivor who made it to a pub.
On Saturday 9 September, arrangements were made by the steamship company for most of the Athenia survivors to take the train from Galway to Dublin, and then from Dublin to Belfast and Larne, where they boarded the ferry to the Scottish port of Stranraer and a return to Glasgow. Some of the Athenia people were still in hospital and some had dispersed out of Galway to stay with friends or family in Ireland, while some had left Galway for London. By the end of the week most of the very grateful survivors had left. Eventually, most of the survivors made it across the Atlantic, the Americans on a relief ship, the Orizaba, and the Canadians on Canadian Pacific Line steamers.
Secretary of State Cordell Hull sent instructions to the American legation in Dublin on Thursday 7 September to say to the Irish government that the United States ‘is deeply appreciative of the hospitable assistance given to the American survivors of the S.S. Athenia by the authorities and people of Éire’. The Galway Observer published Minister Cudahy’s generous statement: ‘I cannot praise too highly the efficient handling of the situation by the Galway people and the Irish government and their splendid human spirit’. The Irish taoiseach, Eamon de Valera, sent notes to both Bishop Browne and Mayor Costello informing them of his pleasure at the remarks of the American minister and of American gratitude, and extending his own thanks on behalf of the Irish government for their good work. The Canadian high commissioner in London also sent thanks to the Irish government: ‘The government of Canada is deeply appreciative of this generous action, and wishes to extend to the government and people of Ireland their sincere gratitude’. Both the people of Galway and the government had responded quickly and generously. Despite Ireland’s neutrality, the Second World War had come to Galway.
Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels denied that the Germans had sunk the ship and claimed that the newly appointed British first lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill, had arranged to sink the Athenia in order to bring the United States into the war.
Francis M. Carroll is Professor Emeritus at St John’s College, University of Manitoba.
In February 2013, an independent SPL commission, chaired by the Rt. Hon. Lord Nimmo Smith, fined RFC 2012 PLC (previously The Rangers Football Club plc) (in liquidation)) (“Rangers Oldco”) the sum of £250,000 in respect of multiple breaches of SPL and Scottish FA Rules.
The Rangers Football Club Limited (“Rangers Newco”) signed an agreement under which they would be liable for sums such as this. The Chairman of Rangers FC, David Somers, and on one occasion the club’s then Chief Executive Graham Wallace, engaged in individual discussions with the majority of current SPFL Board members several months ago acknowledging the liability and suggesting ways of paying the sums due.
Following such discussions, it was only when no sums actually arrived from Rangers FC that the SPFL Board decided to offset this liability against future sums payable to the Club.
Has this been settled. If not is there any scope to restart proceedings ?
lymmbhoy
05:36 on 15 April, 2015
Top of the class. A 19 year old loanee
HH
awe_naw
Says it all unfortunately.
kitalba
Good read……..but be prepared for some moans from posters reading on phones ;)
HH
lymmbhoy:
Not owning such a device I’ve never really given it a thought. But I’ll apologise if it cause anybody any hassle. Sorry.
So with that in mind I won’t post the Scottish Invasion of Ireland.
kitalba
So with that in mind I won’t post the Scottish Invasion of Ireland.
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Is that not what clogher celt is organising?
HH
lymmbhoy:
☺
Kittalba,
Have a look you have time into the Transportations to Tasmanaia,
Maybe also the lads sent to Freemantle…sorry to be a pain, but I am spending a lot of time researching that time,
auldheid @ 01:49,
“The irony of that one is the SFA Article that gave them discretionary power to do so is Titled Prohibition of Transfer of Membership.
It was done as a bargaining chip to get Green to buy RFC and agree to meet footballing debts and of course had the commercial value of keeping gates up by then marketing them as the same club.
Now if it had been Celtic fans at the SFA we would have given him the go forth and multiply advice and to hell with the consequences, but the SFA were so afraid of the consequences Green had them over a barrel.
As a result we have an uncorrected incorrigible entity poisoning our game but now that others clubs have not gone down the plug hole that fear of consequences is not the same and if their crowds continue to drop so too does the commercial argument and they don’t owe other clubs money…
Well I agree with all of that, but not only is their use of Article 13 ironic, to me it could be viewed as the SFA not acting within the spirit of their Articles of association.
Within every contractual agreement it is implicit that the parties should act reasonably.
Surely by taking an Article that is written to uphold financial fair play and Titled “Prohibition of Transfer of Membership” Then using a sub clause to enact the opposite of the stated aim, i.e. Allowing a Club to dump it’s debt in an administration event while transferring it’s membership to a Phoenix. The SFA Board were not acting reasonably nor within the spirit of the Article.
The wording in the Sub-clause is strong (could someone have envisaged it being used for just such a purpose!?! (The FA criteria could not have been misused in this way.)) But IMO it could still have been challenged.
Yet what you say is correct, it was fundamental to the Five Way Agreement, and was key in allowing Charles Green to boast he bought Rangers’ “history”.
Now of course the fact is the Ibrox Club has hit yet another dilemma. It.’a touch and go but IF, DK and the Ibrox Board do the right thing, pay off MAs’ loans, negotiate a way forward for Rangers Retail and give the Berrs a plan they can buy into, in time for the ST renewals. They will have a chance to be the second biggest Club in Glasgow, stuck In-between Celtic and Partick Thistle.
Will they be able to do the right thing?
Can they live with being an unfortunate number two?
Time will tell.
Thanks for the considered reply.
Hail Hail
Kitalba – The “Scottish” never invaded anywhere mo chara.
They actively took part in the plantation of Ulster at the behest of their English paymasters – ONLY after the English had waged a brutal 9 year war of attrition, against the Ulster Gael.
Why Ulster, I here you ask?
Because Ulster was the most rebellious and most Gaelic of all the four provinces,that’s why.
Remember, 1847 wasn’t the first famine that Ireland was subjected to – the original Great Hunger occurred in Ulster, before The Plantation.
Ulster also at that time – the first place on the planet where a “scorched earth ” policy was ever implemented – at the behest of Lord Chichester – many years previous to Philip Sheridan’s campaign, during the American Civil War, in the Shanaendoh Valley.
My point being this – Had any rag tag band of renegade Scotch attempted to invade the land of O’Neill and O’Donnell, without any prior aid and assistance from their English paymasters – they would, to put it simply, have been annihilated/obliterated.
HH.
Wednesday, 17 October 2012 13:48
PAUL CLARK, of Duff and Phelps, joint administrator of RFC 2012 P.L.C (formerly The Rangers Football Club plc), issued the following statement today:
“Creditors have today given their approval for the Administrators to bring the administration process to an end and to place the company into liquidation.
“As a result, we as Administrators have instructed our legal team to prepare the necessary application for lodging in The Court of Session as a matter of urgency.
“Should the application be approved, then Malcolm Cohen and James Bernard Stephen of BDO will be appointed liquidators of RFC 2012 plc, and will undertake the process of liquidation of the ‘oldco’ company and the continued recovery of funds for creditors.
“This will not affect the current operations of The Rangers Football Club in any way as it is a completely separate entity.”
16 roads – Celtic über alles…
Mate you’d best tell that to Eddie and his brother, rather better known as Robert the Bruce.
True enough Kitalba.
HH.
clogher celt :
I was just reading a wee bit about it just a few days back. When you do get into it you’ll turn up some stuff you probably won’t enjoy.
The Fatal Shore: A History of the Transportation of Convicts to Australia: Robert Hughes
Kitala,
Sorry to be a pain but Robert’s brother, Edward was caught by the English in Faughart, County Louth. He was hung drawn and quartered by the English.
That Duff and Phelps post was a lift from ☢thems☢ official page.
☘clogher celt:
But what was he doing there in the first place?
Here is a wee excerpt from what I was going to post earlier but didn’t because of the guys with phones. This was borrowed from the History of Ireland magazine. Some of their ‘Hedge Schools’ are well worth a wee listen.
Edward Bruce’s initial expedition landed at Larne in May 1315, where he defeated a force of local gentry. At exactly the same time, Robert Bruce was subduing the MacDougalls of Argyll, on the shore directly opposite. Then as Robert turned his attention to Carlisle, Edward marched on Carrickfergus Castle. Robert tried to storm Carlisle; but Edward made no such attempt on Carrickfergus. Instead he negotiated with the Anglo-Irish garrison, which agreed to surrender if not relieved by Midsummer 1316. Soon after 6 June Edward had himself inaugurated High King of Ireland. The title, however, cut little ice with either the Gaelic or the Anglo-Irish. Leaving a force to keep the garrison in check, Edward marched south, through the Moyry Pass (where the Gaelic Irish tried to ambush him) to Dundalk, which he captured on 29 June. The forces of the colony were mustered belatedly. The Justiciar of Ireland and the Red Earl of Ulster advanced on him from the south. The Earl’s army included Gaelic allies, the foremost of which was Felim O’Connor of Connaught. The Justiciar’s army retired, leaving the Earl and his allies to pursue the Scots. Edward retreated far into Ulster, crossed the Bann at Coleraine, and broke down the bridge. Across the swollen river the two armies faced one another. Although famine conditions prevailed, the Scots were supplied by Gaelic allies – O’Neill, O’Cahan and O’Flynn. After a time the Earl’s force was severely weakened by the departure of O’Connor, who had been obliged to return to Connaught to partake in dynastic struggles. The Earl’s severely depleted force retired to Connor, where Edward Bruce defeated him on 10 September 1315.
16 roads.
Great post too, see you hopefully in Ireland next year.
kitalba,
If you can, come over next year. I will show you all those holy places.
Clogher
Clogher celt
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Couple of mates have organised a flute band over here to remember the fremantle escapees .. catalpa mfb.
There just starting up but their number 1 goal is too reach dublin for next year. If it looks to be happening i’ll let you know as they maybe interested in some of the things you are organising. They are an independant band so if theirs events organised that are not led by SF or other groups it may suit them better.
Early days anyway
clogher celt:
I doubt I’ll manage. Are the bars going to be open over the Easter weekend?