I see the story that Feyenoord are chasing John Guidetti has lasted more days than I expected. John Guidetti is a likeable guy and seems to have enjoyed his time at Celtic, but he desperately needs to show some form before the end of the season if he is to attract the attention of Feyenoord or any team of that calibre.
One aspect often overlooked about Guidetti is his inexperience. The player is still only 22 and had started only 30 games before arriving at Celtic Park last season, there’s a good chance that by the end of the season he will have played more games for Celtic than anyone else. On paper, a season at Celtic was a chance to sort his career out, grab first team football at a prestigious club who were short of a centre forward. Conversely, being kept out of the team by Leigh Griffiths will damage his reputation.
Barcabhoy sent me an interesting summary of Celtic’s material loss since the liquidation of Rangers. The figures below compare the three years before Rangers liquidation with the two and a half years since.
As you see, even though we are comparing a shorter time period after liquidation, Celtic’s turnover and profitability is still miles better than when we had to compete with Rangers.
This should end any nonsense about Celtic needing or in any way missing Rangers. We lost some revenue streams: domestic commercial and ticket income, but the slipstream to European revenues have more than made up for the gap. More importantly, we are also no longer caught in an arms race with a death-risk opponent, allowing us to bring costs below income and plan longer than the current season.
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BGX they attracted and kept who they felt were better players, managers, coaches, club secretaries even through higher payments than of all their sporting competition, this directly lead them to victory where prize money, acclaim and entry to europe’s big bucks was the award. However, they did this illegally; they kept information from the ruling body of the sport who granted the players registration, they did not inform Hector at HMRC nor some other Govt departments I would add(more on this later). Players were therefore improperly registered and they should have lost each game 0-3. Biggest cheating scandal in sport ever- the end.
BMCW..
Thats Just Nonsense Mate…im Ronad De Boer , growing up n Holland i Always wanted to play for rankers…i would have played for them for Nothing…
now prove otherwise..thats ma story, im sticking to it.mm
What Martim said was what I meant :)
Bgx
Are you the one who missed the penalty or the wan . . Wi the Hugh Jarse
Martim1980…That they won Trophys does not prove Sporting Advantage….it doesnt..
Definitely at it.
Doing so with illegally registered players whether they won or not doesn’t even really matter, they broke the rules by playing players registered improperly. They accepted the victories. They gained trophies by using points (or passed through cup rounds) accumulated in games when they should have lost 0-3.
Yip, I’m done.
Herbo- agreed
BGX
Perhaps. But he DIDN’T play for them for nothing. Nor did he play for them for the amount that Rangers informed the football and tax authorities of.
I suggest you read the dissenting view on the First UTT hearing,by Dr Poon. Feel free to spout yer pish in her direction thereafter.
If Spending Money or Paying Wages , by whatever means , ment Sporting Advantage,..Then how Come we got Dumped out The Cup by Morton, How come The Huns cant win a Petrofac Cup….How Come Real couldnt Beat Athelitco Tonight….Its Hard to prove…is All im saying…Yes the Teams That Spend most Money win Most of the Time..Not Always…
BGX
I am immediately suspicious of the framing of the question. Why not frame it as “How could the use of EBTs and tax avoidance not have conferred a sporting advantage to Rangers? After all, why would they have done it and gone to such great lengths to conceal its workings if it did not give them an unsporting advantage?
How have you managed to avoid reading all of the crystal clear explanations given by TSFM, the late Paul McConville, CQN’s own economic contributors such as Barcabhoy, TBB and Paul 67, or even on Phil’s blog over the past 3 to 4 years?
Here, is a very short stater extract from Paul McConville:-
“However the words of the SPL Chief Executive, Neil Doncaster, make things clear, I think.
“This (financial fair play) is all seen as important for one key reason: because any club that is spending more on players than they can afford, is automatically gaining a sporting advantage over every other club it competes with. … The logic behind the principle however is, I think, broadly sound. And it is this same principle that explains the position of the SPL.
To turn a blind eye, to allow clubs to continually fail to make prompt payments as they fall due, would be to allow those clubs to gain an unfair sporting advantage over all those other clubs that pay their players, the taxman and other clubs on time.”
Now, maybe you could advance an argument as to why the money saved from unpaid tax did not allow this one entity in the SPL to buy and retain players that it could not otherwise have afforded to buy and retain if it had not failed to pay appropriate tax billings for their employment?
Some old Rangers fans just state baldly that they would just get the money from somewhere else? The question is where else in this loss-making enterprise could further money be borrowed and further debt accrued without accelerating the timetable for the liquidation they did indeed suffer.
BMCW…so Did playing for an Undeclared amount give him a Sporting Advantage…i dont think it did..but if you do…cool..
SFTB…did We have a Sporting Advantage over Morton.
.did we beat them…
BGX
You just answered your own question with :-
“Yes the Teams That Spend most Money win Most of the Time..Not Always”
To win a league you do not have to win all the time, you just have to win most of the time. Buying big name players on big salaries increases your chances of winning most of the time (but never guarantees winning every match).
If you do not pay the due tax bills for employing such players, you can employ even more of them as back ups with the money you did not spend on taxes. Therefore you get better players, larger squads and you are the only club using this economic advantage to gain a sporting advantage.
You are arguing a fallacy by saying, because they did not win every match, there was still a goodly measure of sporting uncertainty in their endeavours.
That is akin to finding that a 40 a day smoker lived into his 90s, and that proves that smoking does not cause lung cancer.
It is a fairly blatant logical fallacy that most thinking adults can spot a mile off.
BGX
If you go for a job who gets it, the best man for the job or the man with two bob in his pocket.
Now can you see what is going on here, obviously it’s the guy with the two bob, do you agree..?
Ayrshire is Green and White
BGX
We beat the Mortons of our world many many more times than they beat us.
You are mistaking a rare event for a disproof.
You are mistaking Sporting advantage for “guarantee of winning every match played”
Bgx
I’m thinking you’re sitting on a chair with a cigar chuckling away. I’ll humour ye anyway.
Of course the penalty king or the wan. . That played for Ajax didn’t personally gain a sporting advantage. The point is. Footballers cost money, and get paid handsomely. Some other footballers play for Renfra Juniors and get a few beer tokens.
There is a reason for that. Some footballers are better than others. These guys can change a game. Score a goal, organise a defence. So, if a club. Let’s call it Club 12. If Club 12 are going against the rules to pay the players who don’t play for Renfra Juniors. It’s stands to reason. By breaking the rules they’re gaining an advantage.
Bankies for the cup!
Anyway. lads. another load of mails for Dublin Next Year.
Herbo, I don’t think have your e mail, yet. Anyway you are in. It would be great to meet you on the home turf.
SFTB….So By paying Bigger Name Players and Paying Bigger Money you increase your chance of winning….not always but most of the time…Right….
Seems Nobody Told Hearts That….
I’ll be there Clogher. I’m sure I’ll spot the CQN’rs know and we’ll toast our heroes of ’16
*I know
Not Know as is ” know wit amean innat “
Martin1980 @ 00:53,
One hundred percent spot on.
The sporting advantage debate, the legal/illegal tax debate are all red herrings.
The fact of the matter is there are many examples of Clubs being hammered because of genuine administration errors that meant players were not properly registered.
Rangers deliberately and systematically withheld contractual information when registering many of their players over several Seasons. It is a condition when registering a player with the SPL/SFA that all the conditions, including remuneration of a contract was lodged.
Rangers failed to do this.
In every match, where a wrongly registered player took part, the match should have been 3:0 to the opposition. No matter what the position of the HMRC is, no matter if there was a perceived sporting advantage or not.
You are correct, we shouldn’t get sucked into their agenda. The rules were the rules. They were broken.
Hail Hail
bgx On the balance of probabilities they had a sporting advantage.
I Am in no way Saying That Rules were not Broken..of Coutse they were…All i say is that Sporting Advantage..is Impossible To Prove..
Imo.
weeman67
22:00 on
14 April, 2015
Amazing Story: St. Joseph Staircase………….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENjjspf2tN0
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Thanks Weeman
Wonderful post.
God bless.
BGX
00:56 on
15 April, 2015
If Spending Money or Paying Wages , by whatever means , ment Sporting Advantage,..Then how Come we got Dumped out The Cup by Morton, How come The Huns cant win a Petrofac Cup….How Come Real couldnt Beat Athelitco Tonight….Its Hard to prove…is All im saying…Yes the Teams That Spend most Money win Most of the Time..Not Always…
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The underlying reason why a club suffering an insolvency event, no matter its cause, get a 10 point penalty is that football has recognised ever since Neil Warnock complained about Leicester winning promotion but owing money, is that money that regularly goes on players wages instead of paying regular creditors gives a club operating outside the norm that other clubs abide by do have an advantage that over time, not every game, delivers titles and trophies.
The principle is as sound as a pound and it started here:
http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/13-Editorials/2483-the-disadvantage-rule
NotalotofpeopleknowthatMichaelCaine CSC
BGX
01:22 on
15 April, 2015
I Am in no way Saying That Rules were not Broken..of Coutse they were…All i say is that Sporting Advantage..is Impossible To Prove..
Imo.
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You don’t have to prove it. You just have to persuade others the argument is sound and stands to reason.
Which it does.
They cheated like (insert own expletive)
End of story. Everyone knows it, including them. A complete and utter scandal.
And they’ve more or less walked out of it not giving a ‘monkeys’.
No sporting advantage. Aye.
BGX
You can cite another 90 year old smoker and yet another and yet another but it does not take away from the truth of the association between spend and likely success.
As with Herbo, I can see all the other posters “feeding” you with argument and evidence. You do no work and just repeat but it does not guarantee they would win, therefore they got no sporting advantage.
Andy Murray should stop training because it does not guarantee he will win.
Ronny Deila should stop coaching because it does not guarantee a title
And we should stop paying professional footballers because they are going to be no more likely than an unpaid amateur to achieve a guaranteed win.
Because I know a naturally fit lad who never trained a day in his life
& Lots of good amateur teams win their leagues without professional coaching
& no professional team has won 100% of the matches they have played so every game is an uncertain event.
Time for you to do a bit of the effort here now and give us your reasoning (drop the 90 year old smoker line though; it fails to convince all but pre-logical children).
I’ll see if you are up too the task of expounding your own views and backing them up rather than finding illogical holes in the lines of others. Catch it tomorrow, though as now its time for bed.
Herbo, that’s great. Will keep you a spot.
BGX, do you want a space kept for you in respect of our men and women of 1916?
Chairbhoy @ 01:18
Exactly!
HH
Chairbhoy
00:28 on
15 April, 2015
It’s great to see ghuys like Auldheid pursue the EBT scandal and resolution 12.
Yet I wish we would pursue the SFA for IMO wrongly allowing the transfer of Rangers FC’s membership to Newco Rangers.
For me this is the only thing that gives any “legitimacy” to the continuity myth.
It should have been robustly challenged at the time. Even now it may not be too late.
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The irony of that one is the SFA Article that gave them discretionary power to do so is Titled Prohibition of Transfer of Membership.
It was done as a bargaining chip to get Green to buy RFC and agree to meet footballing debts and of course had the commercial value of keeping gates up by then marketing them as the same club.
Now if it had been Celtic fans at the SFA we would have given him the go forth and multiply advice and to hell with the consequences, but the SFA were so afraid of the consequences Green had them over a barrel.
As a result we have an uncorrected incorrigible entity poisoning our game but now that others clubs have not gone down the plug hole that fear of consequences is not the same and if their crowds continue to drop so too does the commercial argument and they don’t owe other clubs money…..
“an uncorrected incorrigible entity poising our game”
Top class!
Whoops
G’night
Where has BGX gone,
Anyway, I have found him a seat in Dublin 2016.
Auldheid,
Thanks for all the work.
Might see you in Dublin 2016, no pressure.
Clogher
SFTB…sorry
I got as Far as Likely Success.
.Likely AINT PROOF……Let Me say AGAIN..FOR THE HARD OF HEARING…i dont see any way SPORTING ADVANTAGE can be PROVED..
Dont Mean i dont think they Had it..I DO…i just dont think it can be PROVED…so i dont Bitch about it…
Anyway,
Off here now. If anyone has any time tomorrow say a prayer for the wee girl from Cork, Karen Buckley, also please remember her parents, John and Marion.
I don’t know the family, but Ireland is a small place.