I see The Herald were forced to reconsider Martin William’s hasty article, posted first online last night but now amended, where they repeat an erroneous claim that in 2001 Celtic claimed the word ‘hun’ is sectarian. The current version of the article makes no such reference.
Much of what remains of the article is a random collection of quotes, appeals and one assertion by Williams that “Celtic warned fans they can no longer call Rangers fans ‘h***’ 14 years ago”, which appears to be based on a quote by then club employee John Cole’s etiquette requirement for a forum he administered.
This is a classic manipulative argument technique (and by classic I mean the ancient Greeks first identified it). Take a statement by someone, for example:
The word f*** is not allowed on CQN, because the administrator acknowledged that it “can cause offence”.
Ignore the fact that the same administrator would never dream of chastising someone for using the word away from the blog, as the word is not inherently offensive as it does not, for example, offend at a comedy show.
State that some people believe the word to be inherently offensive in itself, or worse.
Build momentum for your argument by reminding readers that CQN’ers have been warned they can no longer use it, without issuing any caveats to the context.
Then allow your tenuous references to dovetail into an argument.
It’s an absurd and driven technique for the hard of thinking. It is also patently transparent.
Celtic picked this matter up at the time of first publication and are considering their position in relation to various items published yesterday.
As a friend said last night, “What a sad little country”.
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Come on folks….Efe is not good enough for Celtic, if we have any European ambitions.
Always liable to give the ball away cheaply and never seems to learn.
Craigellachie10
She no a bad mover that wee Suzi.:0)
DD
Thumbs up mhate.HH.
Whats in the stars,
Yes Damo and Ivor. I really laughed at that. Thanks for the Cheltenham tips. I did really well.
maybe see you next Easter,
Clogher
Hen1rik
I hope Steve isn’t sitting up waiting for a response!
Clogher
You will see me before then I am sure
Good night bhoys.
HH
Franny
Keep it a secret fae BMCUW but I liķed some ABBA songs when I was a wean. ;)))
Whats in the stars,
Look forward to it. Going to watch Damo and Ivor for a laugh.
Take Care,
Clogher
craigellachie10
23:58 on 25 March, 2015
There will be another eclipse before that tool answers
MELBOURNEMICK
Delighted you’re having a ball,mate!
Made me smile at a very old and in-PC joke when you mentioned Sydney,followed by ‘steaming into Brisbane’
Clogher
You will see WITS on You Tube streaking round George Square Glasgow very soon. Thanks to our Viking Warrior Winner Ronny. :)
Turkey Bhoy,
Sorry only seen your post. In the county it’s class gear.
Maybe see you in Dublin next year.
Clogher
BMCUW
Might have known your gutter brain would think of the same joke that mine did. :)
DELANEYSDUNKY 2346
Oh,aye. I do that too when certain choons come on the radio.
Strange,I can never remember the break-up songs!
Abba,I’ll give you Eagle,and obviously The Day Before You Came. But then,most of the bands I like recorded some fillers,so it’s hard to be consistent,haha!
DELANEYSDUNKY. 0023
Touché….
BMCUW
Chicitita reminds me of a St Tams girlfriend who was stunning and dumped me for a Celtic player, who she married. Will tell you who on Saturday. Will have Weefra’s gift for you.
Thanks DD,
I thought there was something about a wager.
Surely you wouldn’t hold a Paddy up to that?
DELANEYSDUNKY
Magic,mate.
Harsh getting yer burd nipped by a CELT,should be laws against that.
I like to think my exes went downhill after me,though I doubt few ever did-or cared.
Anymore than I did…
Clogher
Tongue in cheek Glaschu and Baile Atha Cliath stylee!
No way will WITS do it.
Great position for us all to be in. See you in Dublin. No running around d dip now.
God Bless,
Clogher Celt
As we are breaching some imaginary SFA offensive code by saying “huns” or “deid” in the same sentence…
Is “Currant Bhuns” and an “ex-club” in one sentence acceptable?
Monty Python CSC
RWE
The huns are deid! I just told the truth there.
DD
The truth is the first casualty in a war, allegedly.
Does that mean the truth is deid too?
:o)
RWE
Naw. The huns are deid. The truth canny die.
Now the pity is that we cannot say the same about the SFA. Deid that is.
My pit beckons.
Night
BMCUW/DD
Having a few Guinness now with a couple of Irish Bhoys
in Mick O,Malley’s in Brisbane now, just waiting on happy face
coming in to spoil the party.
Tomorrow i’ll be steaming into Airlie hope thats p.c enough lol.
H.H Mick
Mick,
When are you due into Fremantle?
AR
Herald forced to reconsider hasty article
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm?….imagine even contemplating buying ‘that’ paper, never mind gie them money to allow all of CQN’s ego-trippers a wee day on a page in the same paper that should be banned oot of Celtic Park awe the gither…how good will CQNers fridge-doors look when…the ahem, died huns are back at CP next season playing out their historical befouling charade….even worse…how will the CQNers who chipped-in to produce the ‘statement’ feel…having to sit inside CP whilst awe the befouling is taking place…knowing that, if ye try to sing back…ye’ll be jiled?…brilliant eh?
Ah hate Internationals since big Jack Charlton chucked it.
Btw…just like always…I hope Scotland get humped ‘every’ time they play…WGS is PL’s puppet…PL is in bed with the Park Gardens ‘craft’…who’ll do ye over…unless…ye get rebels on the ‘bored’ at CP….aint gonnae happen?….well, guid luck.
…….oot.
Good morning CQN
clogher celt:
I don’t often bother posting any more, sometimes I read a wee bit but more and more I just don’t seem to have the time. I did read Paul’s recent articles about the art of spin and the distortion of truth; I read it with real interest – and to a wee degree… amusement.
This place used to be a temple to truth. Used to be… and with that in mind and your post about ‘the huns with their great big guns’ well I won’t argue with you there regards the Liffey, but it is a most inconvenient truth (and to many, an embarrassing truth) as to the actual nationality and persuasion of oh so many who willing raised their rifles and shot to death those who dared to fight for their country.
Sometimes ‘real’ history has a way of booting you right in the baws, a right good sore one too, too often too, but you have to wipe away the tears and see the truth for what it is… the truth. So, so many don’t. They accept garbage as truth with the absence of proof or logic as convenient garnish. More fool they and hypocrites to boot. But as the old saying goes… people will believe liars because they want to believe what they want to believe and they’ll have you believe they are fair and honest intelligent persons.
In the Glasgow vernacular the term Hun is defined simply as a supporter of Rangers, or whatever anybody prefers to call that particular entity, nothing more and nothing less,. A lawyer once told me that.
In the Inverness vernacular the term Hun is defined simply as a supporter of Rangers.
In the Edinburgh vernacular the term Hun is defined simply as a supporter of Rangers.
In the Aberdeen vernacular the term Hun is defined simply as a supporter of Rangers.
In the Dundee vernacular the term Hun is defined simply as a supporter of Rangers.
In the Perth vernacular the term Hun is defined simply as a supporter of Rangers.
The truth is the truth, always was, always will be.
KJ why let the facts get in the way of one of your usually inaccurate rants. The CQN article was published in the Sunday Herald not the Herald, completely different newspapers,different editorial team policy etc. I think Winning Captains has already pointed that out, of course you have your opinion on other Celtic fans but please keep your rants based on the truth. h H Hebcelt
Good morning CQNers,
Winning Captains – Glad to see the emphatic ruling from the ASA, well done for all the sterling work of yourself and the others involved in this project.
Kevjungle, thank you for your reply yesterday, I think we’ll agree to differ in our chosen targets.
Just then they came in sight of thirty or forty windmills that rise from that plain. And no sooner did Don Quixote see them that he said to his squire, “Fortune is guiding our affairs better than we ourselves could have wished. Do you see over yonder, friend Sancho, thirty or forty hulking giants? I intend to do battle with them and slay them. With their spoils we shall begin to be rich for this is a righteous war and the removal of so foul a brood from off the face of the earth is a service God will bless.”
“What giants?” asked Sancho Panza.
“Those you see over there,” replied his master, “with their long arms. Some of them have arms well nigh two leagues in length.”
“Take care, sir,” cried Sancho. “Those over there are not giants but windmills. Those things that seem to be their arms are sails which, when they are whirled around by the wind, turn the millstone.”
Miguel de Cervantes
murdochbhoy
06:50 on
26 March, 2015
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Re Oul Miguel de Cervantes. Archaeologists have recently found his remains.
Seems the Spanish forgot where he was buried.
Uselessinfo CSC
Player of the year – glad to see so many candidates in contention, my own inclinations are that its a little early but I couldn’t chose between Scot Brown, Stefan Johansen just now, Mikael Lustig would have been my nailed on choice but for the playing time missed through injuries.
Oglach
That was careless of them.
Good morning friends from East Kilbride where the last remnants of the overnight dusting of snow are quickly melting away to leave a bright looking morning though still heavy clouds above.
Listening to zombie nation on the train to work gives me a laugh at the Huns. 8)