Herald forced to reconsider hasty article

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I see The Herald were forced to reconsider Martin William’s hasty article, posted first online last night but now amended, where they repeat an erroneous claim that in 2001 Celtic claimed the word ‘hun’ is sectarian.  The current version of the article makes no such reference.

Much of what remains of the article is a random collection of quotes, appeals and one assertion by Williams that “Celtic warned fans they can no longer call Rangers fans ‘h***’ 14 years ago”, which appears to be based on a quote by then club employee John Cole’s etiquette requirement for a forum he administered.

This is a classic manipulative argument technique (and by classic I mean the ancient Greeks first identified it).  Take a statement by someone, for example:

The word f*** is not allowed on CQN, because the administrator acknowledged that it “can cause offence”.

Ignore the fact that the same administrator would never dream of chastising someone for using the word away from the blog, as the word is not inherently offensive as it does not, for example, offend at a comedy show.

State that some people believe the word to be inherently offensive in itself, or worse.

Build momentum for your argument by reminding readers that CQN’ers have been warned they can no longer use it, without issuing any caveats to the context.

Then allow your tenuous references to dovetail into an argument.

It’s an absurd and driven technique for the hard of thinking.  It is also patently transparent.

Celtic picked this matter up at the time of first publication and are considering their position in relation to various items published yesterday.

As a friend said last night, “What a sad little country”.

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  1. the unthank road on

    What is the stars

     

    Thank you. I was wondering about Temple bar, it was a bit rundown all those years ago, I was hoping it would be all swish and style now, but I’ll bow to your superior knowledge;- English hen parties no thanks! And I am a tapas aficionado ( Y soy borrachon tambien!) I’ll give you a report next week,. thanks again

  2. andy

     

     

    The rise of the hun, that will take some doing mi amigo, they are dead, as dead as a dodo.

     

     

    I must admit that in years gone by, I was in the they will never be allowed to die camp, still am, but what they are going through is actually better, they are suffering like I could not comprehend, and they will suffer for years to come, the only way their suffering will cease will be an imaglimation of the leagues, and that is no happening any time soon.

     

     

    That is a bone of contention btw, I also thought it would have happened before now, obviously our suits haven’t gotten their act together :)

     

     

    Sleep well mi amigo, don’t fret, they are fecked, they are a laughing stock, always have been always will be.

     

     

    HH

  3. Craigellachie10 on

    Frannyb67

     

     

    It is getting better now :) stones and procul harum although this is all well before my era :)

  4. What is the Stars on

    Unthank Road

     

     

    Also The Trocadero in Andrew Street is a nice restaurant,nice ambience,good food and not too expensive,worth a look but you may have to book

     

    Enjoy your stay,

     

    The Palace Bar in Fleet Street is about the only real bar left in Temple Bar,its worth a visit

     

     

    But sure I am sure you will find plenty to keep you occupied

  5. Captain Beefheart on

    Estoril,

     

     

    That is like asking me about bad Status Quo records. Where to start?

  6. Andy

     

    You will wake in the morning good looking, your team on the cusp of a treble and with its face painters paid.

     

    MSM keek is directly proportional to how successful we are.

     

    WhatsnottolikeCsc

  7. With the new found sensitivity of the RST.

     

     

    Does anyone think we should change the words of the Foggy Dew? Written approx 1919, about Easter 1916, it’s second verse states,

     

     

    ‘While Britannias Huns with their long ranged guns sailed in through the foggydew.’

     

     

    A reference to British gunboats sailing up the Liffey to bombard the volunteers in 1916.

     

     

    That word is not Sectarian.

     

     

    It describes the aggressive/murderous British policy in Ireland of that time and beyond.

     

     

    We are planning to hold a few events in Dublin next Easter, please drop me a mail if you are interested in coming.

     

     

    dublin2016@mail.com

     

     

    Kind Regards

     

     

    Clogher

  8. the unthank road on

    Yogi and What is the stars

     

    Thanks for the info, greatly appreciated.

     

    Any advice on the polyester suit?

     

    My dad taught a certain Yogi Hughes in St Pats Coatbridge, got introduced to Yogi at Ayr races, my dad’s street cred doubled on the spot. “My da knows John Hughes, amazing”

  9. the unthank road on

    What is the stars.

     

    I’ll be spending as much time as possible keeping Mrs Unthank away from the shops!

  10. What is the Stars on

    The Unthank Road

     

     

    No polyester suits in Dublin

     

    Its all Hugo Boss,Georgie O Mahony and Ralph

     

     

    You might get a few ployesters in the provincial backwaters like Belfast and Cork but not in the Cosmopoltian Metropolis

     

     

    Hand Grenade Tossed and Sit Back and Watch CSC

  11. TOTP 1964-1975 on BBC4 just now – fabulous. I think I lived every one of these songs personally!

     

    HH

  12. TET

     

     

    Mrs Cowiebhoy, also walked down the aisle ( 30 year ago, or 31 this Oct) to Whiter Shades of Pale

     

    Took me oot of Cowie 6 weeks later, so she did :-)

     

     

    Hail Hail

  13. What is the Stars on

    Gearoid

     

    Its looking like a treble now

     

     

    Thank god I said 3.00 A.M and not 3 PM

     

     

    (hoping no one scrolls back to reveal the truth,he cackles evily and exits the stage)

  14. captain beefheart

     

     

    23:01 on 25 March, 2015

     

    Estoril,

     

     

    That is like asking me about bad Status Quo records. Where to start?

     

     

     

     

    And both questions don’t belong on a Celtic football blog.

  15. South Of Tunis on

    corkcelt.

     

     

    Many thanks for your resonse.Your memory matched the little I knew. I managed to get more info from a Carlow woman resident in Kilburn.

  16. Careful With That Tax, Moonbeams on

    English newsnight .. So wrapped up in that big heided fud .. Clarkson ..

     

     

    Nothing happening in the world ??