I see The Herald were forced to reconsider Martin William’s hasty article, posted first online last night but now amended, where they repeat an erroneous claim that in 2001 Celtic claimed the word ‘hun’ is sectarian. The current version of the article makes no such reference.
Much of what remains of the article is a random collection of quotes, appeals and one assertion by Williams that “Celtic warned fans they can no longer call Rangers fans ‘h***’ 14 years ago”, which appears to be based on a quote by then club employee John Cole’s etiquette requirement for a forum he administered.
This is a classic manipulative argument technique (and by classic I mean the ancient Greeks first identified it). Take a statement by someone, for example:
The word f*** is not allowed on CQN, because the administrator acknowledged that it “can cause offence”.
Ignore the fact that the same administrator would never dream of chastising someone for using the word away from the blog, as the word is not inherently offensive as it does not, for example, offend at a comedy show.
State that some people believe the word to be inherently offensive in itself, or worse.
Build momentum for your argument by reminding readers that CQN’ers have been warned they can no longer use it, without issuing any caveats to the context.
Then allow your tenuous references to dovetail into an argument.
It’s an absurd and driven technique for the hard of thinking. It is also patently transparent.
Celtic picked this matter up at the time of first publication and are considering their position in relation to various items published yesterday.
As a friend said last night, “What a sad little country”.
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Philbhoy 10.53
Tea over keyboard! Excellent.
BMCUW
What’s the craic mhate?
Did u know I won last years CQTeN Dream Team?
Well…………. I did
B-)
ger57
Sorry!
GER57
We will,mate. Pity you canny make it.
We’ll order some ribs and think of you!
See ya next time. And I’ll give a wave from the train as I pass…
Susanna Reid good news presenter when employed at the BBC.alas when Mr money comes calling .they switch over to I T V.only to find out that they are not that good at what they do.There were another 2 female presenters who switched over to I T V can’t remember there names.but no where to be heard of again .and Susanne will go the same way.people struggle in life these ones have it on a plate .and even then they can’t make it
In terms of English language television Drama over, say, the past 10 years, production in the USA is miles ahead in both volume (naturally) and quality (perhaps more surprisingly) to what we’ve seen in the UK, let alone from the BBC.
Drama is expensive to produce, and the TV market in the States is, it seems, better able to fund this type of output. The emergence of the internet model pioneered by Netflix is a further innovation in both production and distribution.
In the UK, the most significant BBC Drama production in the past 5 years was Wolf Hall, which, high quality as it was, managed to condense 2 novels over 30 elapsed years into just 6 hours of TV.
Viewers Digest.
They’re applying the same 6 x 60 minute format to Tolstoy’s War and Peace (there is a joke in there I’m sure, altho the novel is not as long as it’s famed to be)
The remainder of the BBC’s drama output is soap opera – Eastenders, Casualty, Holby – or long running series such as Silent Witness, Doctor Who and the likes.
The current box office drama is a remake of the 1970s production of Poldark.
All fair enough, all have their place in the schedule, decent ratings and so presumably satisfying a public appetite for such output.
Compare and contract with what US television has given us…
The West Wing
The Sopranos
Mad Men
Breaking Bad
Homeland
House of Cards (adaptation of BBC’s 1990s trilogy)
Game of Thrones
Veep
Don’t get me wrong – there’s a heap of sh#t on the box in the US, and you don’t have to channel hop too far to find it, but the top English Language TV dramas of recent years are US produced.
Valuable and worthy as it is, BBC’s licence fee-based output cannot compete with the investor funded model in the US.
It makes me smile when people say, usually with great confidence, ” I don`t listen to others. I can make my own mind up.”
Maybe a more accurate statement would be; ” Because I listen to others, I know that people cannot make their own minds up!”
JJ
BHOYLO83
Ffs,I’m impressed. Seriously. Any time I pick a dream team,the poor sods get injured. I’m the same wi horses,btw)
And you won enough to put a deposit on a house-and a dog-too!
Do you reckon you will have enough left over for a wee trip to Dublin in a year’s time?
Sure hope so,bud. You and Aidan both.
Though no doubt you’ll buy a conservatory instead…
TBB said :
“Compare and contract with what US television has given us…
The West Wing
The Sopranos
Mad Men
Breaking Bad
Homeland
House of Cards (adaptation of BBC’s 1990s trilogy)
Game of Thrones
Veep”
Wot? No Simpsons??
JJ
Corkcelt .
Many thanks for that link . . I appreciate your help .
So much to learn ———–this particular quest started when I learned of a male vocal group called The Guinness Anarchists.
Indeed Battered.
If they destroy War and Peace like they destroyed Crime and Punishment, I will really lose the plot.
Just realised Craig Gordon was the only Celtic player given game time last night. Good.
What was the crowd size?
JJ
Sometimes I wish I had a telly.
Other times…..not.
Jeremy Clarkson is to tv what Tesco is to the high street,you can’t turn the telly over without his mug being on it.
Guid riddance.
philbhoy
https://youtu.be/MO5reyuzXis
:-)))
F.A.B. Virgil
Thanks for that.
Re: the Liffey
It wasn’t only huns with great big guns that put down the rebellion; there were many indigenous green huns that were only too willing to pull the trigger too. It doesn’t seem to be accorded significant coverage in most history books about those events. However, when you read the history of the Irish Battalions you become aware.
The Battered Bunnet
Add “The Good Wife” to that list.
On hearing BRTH say he was off to watch an episode I remembered my daughter suggesting I watch it a few years back.
They are now on Series Six whee the last or latest episode was 16. The other series had 22 episodes.
I went from Series 1 to Series Six in around 60 Days .
Sounds like a movie title.
Brilliant TV. Full of interesting characters of which Michael Fox played the role of a sly cunning lawyer around his illness to perfection.
The tottie was eye catching too btw.
“Philbhoy
11:21 on
26 March, 2015
Sometimes I wish I had a telly.
Other times…..not.”
If you would like the best of both worlds, buy a telly but don`t watch it.
JJ
VizCSC
BMCUW
Hahahaha thanks I knew u would be impressed
I like to bring it up every now and again to make myself feel better
(Basically, it means I know more about good football players than anyone else on here)
Dublin sounds great… it could happen…
But u are right, I am saving up for a sit-on lawnmower to mow the expansive lawn that surrounds the house
B-)
PHILBHOY
I so rarely watch TV that my mates think there’s something wrong wi me!
(On that,they’re correct. Wrong reason!)
Late 90s I didn’t even have a telly in my flat. Music and books,in my element.
Oh the fun I had wi the TV licence people…
Zbyszek:
Thanks, I’ll be in touch.
KITALBA
Guinness allowing disused boilers to be converted into ad-hoc armoured vehicles,for instance.
The initial uprising was a disaster,really. Certainly for those involved.
It was the way that the British dealt with it which led to the revolt.
IMO,of course. I reckon you know more than I do on this…
BHOYLO83
A sit-on lawnmower?
Either domestic abuse or hours of fun for an Aberdeen fan.
I’d add these to the previously mentioned:
The Good Wife
Damages
Suits
Better Call Saul (shaping up nicely)
Meanwhile, this side of the Atlantic…….The Vicar of Dibley
TBB
You can add to that list
Fallen Skies
Vengence (although gets a bit Dallasy at times but plot good)
The Following
Scandal
Stalker
BBC does a good wee show called Orphan Black which is low on budget but compelling.
Resurrection (although based on the better and more atmospheric French production The Returned)
Black List
Better Call Saul
Orange & Black
Walking Dead
Sons of Anarchy
I even like Nashville.
MWd said AYE
Kevjungle
Given that the advert got right up the noses of our hunnish foe as you see them I’m surprised you do not appreciate it’s value in that sense.
The CQN Mag article with ASA’s response and link to UEFA rules is having the same effect.
Enjoy.
BMCUW
Naw… I’m not taking that kind of abuse I’m ringing the SFA and preparing my statement as we speak
BMCUW.
” Oh the fun I had with the TV Licence people …
Me too.. I had better things to do than watch tv .
Old Codger from down the valley calls the Italian tv licence ” proof that you are a idiot ” .He is not alone in that view. I occasionally worry about not having a licence —-Mrs S of T then advises me that getting one would be grounds for divorce .
On what the same club debate is all about in terms of how our game is run the following from tsfm might be of interest to some ( it being International week) and anything goes.
From tsfm
Remember the advert in the Sunday Herald re how Celtic fans viewed TRFC?
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‘As explained in our previous ruling, we accepted that although run by a different legal entity, that Rangers Football Club (RFC) was still the same football club.
In this instance, the ads are providing the opinion that Celtic supporters consider Rangers Football Club to be a new club, based on the legal entity of the club.
‘Therefore, they are not making claims that are in breach of our previous ruling about a different related ad.
We accepted that the club had been liquidated so the advertiser is allowed to state this.’
(Taken from http://www.cqnmagazine.com/asa-the-different-entity-uefa-rules/)
Is this the Shcrodingers cat thingy that I have heard so much about? Rangers are both dead and alive until you really.. really open the box and see for yourself.
Seems a lot of folk are awfully reluctant to focus on the photon.”Open the box..”…”no..no take the money!”
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This ambiguity is whatever folk want to make of it and folk can present their perspective, feline or otherwise as they choose, but the serious part for me is not the status of RFC/TRFC as the same club, but where the SFA stand with UEFA on sporting integrity.
It is pretty clear UEFA do not see TRFC to have the necessary three years uninterrupted membership of the SFA.
The question to the SFA should not be are TRFC and RFC the same club? The question should be has there been an interruption in SFA Membership requiring a fresh start from which three years membership can be measured?
UEFA clearly think so in TRFC’s case by applying their Article 12. Does the SFA?
UEFA treat membership as broken because under Article 12 and, particularly in RFC’s circumstances, not to have done so could only have been deemed to be to the detriment of the sporting integrity of their competition. Otherwise had sporting integrity not been at risk UEFA could have made an exception.
Are the SFA saying that they see no detriment to the sporting integrity of domestic competition by differing from UEFA’s reasons for requiring 3 years uninterrupted membership?
The SFA/SPL’s efforts to parachute TRFC into the top then second top tier tell us the SFA’s idea of sporting integrity appears to differ from UEFA’s.
Since that parachute effort failed I don’t see what the SFA think they have to gain in terms of being trusted to protect the integrity of their competitions by not aligning themselves with UEFA and telling it how it is with regard to any club being liquidated in the circumstances under which RFC were. This included 10 years of improper registration, tax evasion, non payment of tax due and entering into unsustainable debt from 2008 to get access to CL money and being economical with the truth to retain the advantages of their mis-behaviour.
In refusing to make such a statement that they share UEFA’s principles and method of protecting sporting integrity and that they got it badly wrong with RFC, they continue to damage themselves and the integrity of Scottish football.
BHOYLO83
SFA?
What have they got to do with a conversation between a fella living in England and another living in Ireland?
It’s not like a Dutch fella and a Swede,is it? I mean,I can see why they got involved in that one.
SOUTHOFTUNIS
Rest assured,old bean.
Your telly works fine without one…
How sad to hear of those lost souls aboard the airbus plane
that crashed in the French Alps appears to have been caused by
the co-pilot deliberately crashing the plane.Absolute tragedy
RIP to all those who perished
new article posted.
Paul67 et al
Shocking news coming out from France re the A320 crashing into the Alps.
We all love and respect good old Auntie .. Sending baliffs to Grandmas door to collect her pension to pay the outdated license fee .. Taking the poor to court and giving them criminal convictions, is so, so in line with your faux socialist principles, Ernie and whoever else think the BBC and it’s lovies like Clarkson are so fabulous .
From dubbing Gerry Adams voice to the Savile cover up … The list of scandals are, well, scandalous!
It’s never been biased towards or against any political party or countries sovereignty either ;)
tbb
the wire.
just now I think bbc2 peeky blinders brilliant.
A nurenberg of huns
fucking hun bastards