Herald forced to reconsider hasty article

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I see The Herald were forced to reconsider Martin William’s hasty article, posted first online last night but now amended, where they repeat an erroneous claim that in 2001 Celtic claimed the word ‘hun’ is sectarian.  The current version of the article makes no such reference.

Much of what remains of the article is a random collection of quotes, appeals and one assertion by Williams that “Celtic warned fans they can no longer call Rangers fans ‘h***’ 14 years ago”, which appears to be based on a quote by then club employee John Cole’s etiquette requirement for a forum he administered.

This is a classic manipulative argument technique (and by classic I mean the ancient Greeks first identified it).  Take a statement by someone, for example:

The word f*** is not allowed on CQN, because the administrator acknowledged that it “can cause offence”.

Ignore the fact that the same administrator would never dream of chastising someone for using the word away from the blog, as the word is not inherently offensive as it does not, for example, offend at a comedy show.

State that some people believe the word to be inherently offensive in itself, or worse.

Build momentum for your argument by reminding readers that CQN’ers have been warned they can no longer use it, without issuing any caveats to the context.

Then allow your tenuous references to dovetail into an argument.

It’s an absurd and driven technique for the hard of thinking.  It is also patently transparent.

Celtic picked this matter up at the time of first publication and are considering their position in relation to various items published yesterday.

As a friend said last night, “What a sad little country”.

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  1. HT, As almore says, the Donegal Orange Order gave their annual march there:-)

     

     

    If you get as far as Letterkenny another 45 minutes will have you in proper Donegal:-)

     

     

    Árd Macha

  2. 67Heaven .. CHALLENGING THE LIE ..I am wee Oscar…… Ipox belongs to the creditors

     

    20:58 on

     

    25 March, 2015

     

    quonno

     

     

    20:53 on 25 March, 2015

     

     

    It’s a foreign city to those from the north of Ireland.

     

     

    And here is me thinking that they are our kith and kin.

  3. F.A.B. Virgil (WATRC)

     

    21:34 on

     

    25 March, 2015

     

    think McCourt booed by ‘own’ fans but could be wrong

     

     

    If he was it will have been by the Glasgow Huns.The NI Huns love him.Standing ovation the last time I saw him play at Windsor Park.

  4. Rossknowlagh is only about 15/20 minutes from Donegal Town. Plenty of nice wee boozers there. Good Italian restuarant at the bridge.

  5. HT: There’s probably a few more in Donegal and a couple in Monaghan but the Rosnowlagh one is featured, without fail and without critical comment, every year. Glad you took it in the right way!

  6. árd macha

     

     

    Ouch :-) we’re based in Letterkenny but have trips to Rossnowlagh and Derry.

     

     

    Almost a pity we’re not going in July!!

  7. southside

     

    21:31 on

     

    25 March, 2015

     

    Nae Broony tonight? mmmm wonder why?

     

    To save the embarrassment of both sets of fan booing him?

     

    Is he on the bench? Couldn’t care less really?

     

     

    Why mention it then?.

  8. proudbhoy, Scrolling back a couple of nights ago, I saw you put up a link for “The Boys of Kilmichael” and you were talking about Tom Barry. Met the famous man a few times and shared a public platform with him at a protest meeting in Patricks Street Cork back in the sixties. That song is one of my all time favourites.

  9. Turkeybhoy

     

     

    Hunter, McGrain, Connelly Hay and Dalglish all started that game, though Joe came on for Kenny. Billy Bremner also played, another Tim that got away. Would never have qualified for 1974 without Celtic men on the field.

  10. Raymac

     

     

    Cheers but won’t have access to a car so will be limited where we can travel to.

     

     

    Almore

     

     

    Ah yer grand, worry not!

     

     

    This is what my life has come to, a coach trip with the church.

     

     

    The Minx and I are the youngest by around 83 years!!! :-)

  11. Any of our learned friends explain this ? ( from earlier)

     

     

    fergusslayedtheblues

     

     

    18:04 on 25 March, 2015

     

    Why is dave king applying to the COS for exeption of part 216(3) of the insolvency act (prohibited names ),if it was the holding company the was liquidated and not the deid club .

     

    or is he asking to be on the board of

     

     

    wavetower international football club

     

    ps I know they did not have a holding company but the sevconions seem to have trouble admitting the same

  12. So HamiltonTim

     

     

    Are you a hun in search of a walk??!

     

     

    Never had you down as the polyester suit type either…..

     

     

    ;-)

     

     

    HH JamesGang

  13. timbhoy2

     

    21:37 on

     

    25 March, 2015

     

    Peter McGuire or Martin.will.be back on the airwaves at Clyde 1

     

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    aaaaaaaaagggghhhhhhh

  14. turkeybhoy

     

     

    21:39 on 25 March

     

     

    Couldn’t care inasmuch it’s another celtic player coming back from an international game unscathed.

     

    Just wondered why Scotland would keep their captain on the the bench, assuming he’s fit.

     

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  15. jamesgang

     

    21:42 on

     

    25 March, 2015

     

    So HamiltonTim

     

     

    Are you a hun in search of a walk??!

     

     

    Never had you down as the polyester suit type either…..

     

     

    ;-)

     

     

    HH JamesGang

     

     

    If he is looking for a new Polyester rig out,I could get him one from the market here,bring it over next month.I”m like that.

  16. southside

     

    21:47 on

     

    25 March, 2015

     

    turkeybhoy

     

     

    21:39 on 25 March

     

     

    Couldn’t care inasmuch it’s another celtic player coming back from an international game unscathed.

     

    Just wondered why Scotland would keep their captain on the the bench, assuming he’s fit.

     

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    Maybe its for Sundays game.Why risk him?.

  17. HT

     

     

    I was just sitting there thinking……so that’s the smell in July…….melted polyester.

     

     

    Silly, silly huns

     

     

    In other news, will Cristophe Berra ever shave?

     

     

    HH Jamesgang

  18. Turkeybhoy, I’m not sure what I have done to merit legendary status but I was lucky enough to meet Tom Barry a few times.

  19. hamiltontim,

     

     

    Good man. Enjoy yourself.

     

     

    I can’t get that Channel Four show Coach Trip out of my head now:-)

     

     

    Árd Macha

  20. Southside…..Mark Mcghee said they know what Broony can do and they just wanted to have a look at other players…I dont think hes injured mate…

  21. thomthethim for Oscar OK on

    Ard Macha,

     

     

    You don’t say much, but when you do, you run the risk of causing trouble.

     

     

    Don’t be drawing the likes of HT to our little Shangri-La, to preach insurrection to the natives.

     

     

    LK is good enough for the bounder.

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