On Saturday morning I opined that Hearts were a busted flush. They’d shipped 10 goals in their previous four games, failing to win any (against Hamilton, St Johnstone, Inverness and Kilmarnock). They were certainly not a team I expected to see sitting second to us this morning.
All of a sudden there’s talk of the manager leaving and players look like they are fighting to impress.
You know how this is going to turn out? Hearts, who are chasing second in the league, are after Newcastle’s assistant. Newcastle’s owner isn’t likely to be hard to deal with. If Ian Cathro gets the job, you can expect to see Newcastle’s player surplus heading north in January. And unlike the five who left Newcastle for Glasgow two years ago, Cathro will know and select each one.
Which is good, as it might give us some competition in the second half of the season. As for those gambling the family aluminium that qualification for the Europa League next season will bring in a necessary £7m?
They may eventually conclude that having one of Europe’s richest men inside the tent is a whole lot better than making an enemy of him. Just a thought.
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Aw Naw
Had you been involved, that idea would not have entered your head.
But you weren’t, so BRTH and I (and Canalamar and Morrissey) can chuckle, not at you, but at the idea Celtic planned anything other than to avoid tackling the issue.
We know that, but here we are finally where they either tackle the issue or prove you right.
I’ve always had an open mind about motivations and that change is constant and when the meeting takes place next month if Bankiers words and the assurances behind them are not borne out, then you can read all about it on CQN.
On the economics of the OF, that background has changed in that Celtic are clearly not dependent on playing TRFC/RIFC but other teams are more dependent on it which limits what Celtic can do when it comes to voting for change. I’m surprised that a man of your intellect dismisses the interdependency of football as an industry where each club depends on their being another club as a factor that influences decision making.
Auldheid, from memory you stay in Benalmadena or nearby? I am heading down there with a few friends in mid January. What is the weather usually like and where is best to go for something to eat – up to Arrayo or will the restaurants along the beach and main road be open. Generally visit the likes of Panorama, SabatInis, Hong Kong Aberdeen or head to Fountain Square in Arrayo.Cheers.
!!BADA BING!!
The more it is dissected and argued and debated and educated, the less sleep those conniving individuals will enjoy.
Too many who corrupted our game have already departed with unearned lucrative pensions.
What about the honest hard working football supporter?
All he wants is ‘honest’ competition. He/She is not in it for a pension they are in it for love.
Hebcelt,
Firstly I hope you have not been looking all this time …. but you are right and in an act of complete humiliation I am going to crawl back under my stone for the entire day. Deary me … and I have most of my investments in Euro´s .and Thai bhat .. that´s how poor I am with money.
HH
KITALBA
Last month, I don’t have a link.
THAI TIM JIM;
I thought it was from 2013?
Sorry TBB should have read the complete post, yup you are spot on. H H Hebcelt
kitalba on 1st December 2016 1:22 pm
AULDHEID:
To the best of your knowledge – Are Celtic PLC – unequivocally and categorically – pursuing the Res 12 issues with UEFA and/or the SFA as of today?
Have they ever done it post Res 12 being raised at the AGM?
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Not to my knowledge, but that might change when a meeting takes place later this month and they tell us they have, but that meeting is to be sure of the ground on which to take anything forward (if there is agreement that such ground exists) so I doubt any approaches have been made to either.
KITALBA
Unless I have the thread all mixed up that quote was from the latest AGM, I’m sure AULDHEID, can clarify
AULDHEID:
Correct me if I’m wrong but did you not – repeatedly – post a personal spread sheet on here outlining why – commercially – we needed the Auld Firm rivalry?
I apologise if I am mistaken.
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Kitalba-True,Ogilvie is in with the 5 star hotel mob at UEFA,and rumours last week of Regan doing a runner……….
AULDHEID:
Would you agree that ‘might’ might just equate to never never hypothesis? And if so we are wetting our pants over forlorn hope that our club will place principle in front of potential profit?
Auldheid,
well after the summers lies about an imminent statement then a whole lot must have changed
especially
dismisses the interdependency of football as an industry where each club depends on their being another club as a factor that influences decision making. if that does not mean Old Firm within Scotland and especially within our board
As you say we WILL KNOW FOR AN ABSOLUTE NAILED DOWN CERTAINTY by the 1st of January 2017
any further pontification, stalling, prevarication will be an admission of UTTER GUILT especially the not proven path… If I was a betting man this is what I reckon the board will cling onto.
anyways as punishment to myself and to give yourself and HEBCELT a bit of relief I need to go and find a stone
1stJanuary2017CSC
Clear to me Celtic need domestic challenge if they are to progress in Europe. Right now I’m enjoying being caught in the abyss between SPFHell and European football, being way too good for one and no where near good enough for the other.
Personally I enjoy the no expectation approach to Europe.. For now it lows learning growth and experimentation without pressure.
However we probably need competition (not before 10iar) to really begin to build a team capable of perhaps winning the Europa Cup.
This sentiment is usually translated in to Celtic need a strong Rangers by lazy Hun loving media… We need strong competition.. I’d love that to be Aberdeen for personal convenience but I’d settle for Hearts.. A strong Rangers would be my least favoured option.
If Lenny works his magic it may even be a strong Hibs in seasons to come…
!!BADA BING!!
They are getting away with it. All credit to the Res 12 guys, they truly are deserving of our thanks and a pint but will it end in vain and tears and acrimonious accusations if blazers and ties of many hues don’t join them in their plight. And it is a mighty plight.
Kelvinbhoy on 1st December 2016 2:05 pm
More Torremollinos but I know the Arroyo quite well as its on same train line and in January it has a bit of life about it that you don’t find on the Costa itself.
Weather can be mixed but generally you don’t need a coat during the day but should wear layers that you can remove/add if you are out when the sun goes down.
Malaga is well worth a visit. Get 110 bus on main costa road or train from Arroyo station.
CULTSBHOY – BELIEVES IN BRENDAN:
I was thinking to myself this morning “Were would Rangers be in the league today if Hibs were also in our league?”
Kitalba-It has been a long ,deliberately slow process,but I still have faith in the guys to get the required outcome.HH
kitalba on 1st December 2016 2:11 pm
AULDHEID:
Correct me if I’m wrong but did you not – repeatedly – post a personal spread sheet on here outlining why – commercially – we needed the Auld Firm rivalry?
I apologise if I am mistaken.
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You most certainly are. Its not even an idea I buy into nor something I want. I have posted links to RFC spend in 2008 that doomed them and TRFC/RIFC business cases a couple of years back but never on that subject.
Just because I can see the commercial aspect and how interdependent clubs are and how that impinges on sporting integrity does not mean I like it.
kitalba on 1st December 2016 2:17 pm
!!BADA BING!!
They are getting away with it. All credit to the Res 12 guys, they truly are deserving of our thanks and a pint but will it end in vain and tears and acrimonious accusations if blazers and ties of many hues don’t join them in their plight. And it is a mighty plight.
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I hope it doesn’t end in vain for it means the bad guys are winning.
Thanks Auldheid for the info. Cheers
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 1st December 2016 2:17 pm
Auldheid,
well after the summers lies about an imminent statement then a whole lot must have changed
especially
dismisses the interdependency of football as an industry where each club depends on their being another club as a factor that influences decision making. if that does not mean Old Firm within Scotland and especially within our board
As you say we WILL KNOW FOR AN ABSOLUTE NAILED DOWN CERTAINTY by the 1st of January 2017
any further pontification, stalling, prevarication will be an admission of UTTER GUILT especially the not proven path… If I was a betting man this is what I reckon the board will cling onto.
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They might well but then they will have to explain that to shareholders and be able to justify that stance in light of a case that proves deception took place, particularly if it comes out in court.
AULDHEID:
I apologise, I thought I remembered you posting spreadsheets circa 2010 advocating the necessity to maximising income/profit through intense close rivalry and why one should be careful not to shoot the golden goose/
Again I apologise, maybe my memory is more shot than the golden goose.
AULDHEID:
As it stands to date, it pains me, but i think the bad guys have won every series they’ve played. I just want accountability to office to be paramount.
No more pensions for crooks and cheats and incompetents.
I was baptised paranoid in St. Peter’s, Partick, a long time ago. Only God above can absolve me my paranoia.
!!Bada Bing!! on 1st December 2016 2:13 pm
Kitalba-True,Ogilvie is in with the 5 star hotel mob at UEFA,and rumours last week of Regan doing a runner……….
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Regan is damaged goods.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6uWzxhblAt9YktGc0kwWjJCY1E/view?usp=sharing
How can UEFA monitor the position after 31st March if they do not know which clubs to monitor until the end of May? (The 26th in 2011)
More tellingly exactly what assurances were the Licensing Committee given in March 2011?
kitalba on 1st December 2016 2:38 pm
AULDHEID:
As it stands to date, it pains me, but i think the bad guys have won every series they’ve played.
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Och call me Don Quixote ;) (but for evil to succeed good men have to do nothing.)
AULDHEID:
I know but spend a day in my heart of frustration and I will spend a month in yours.
We both want the same level playing field, but I want to see it before I die. I don’t have your patience.
And I will one day buy you a pint, god willing he’ll grant me that day and the pleasure.
kitalba on 1st December 2016 1:33 pm
AULDHEID:
As Bankier said ” This is an important matter of governance relating to the football authorities and the Club will continue to work with its shareholders in this regard.”
Did Bankier say that in an official PLC capacity or is it just hearsay?
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This years AGM . The full statement was
I would like to provide an update on progress regarding Resolution 12 from our AGM in 2013, relating to football authority licensing practices, a vote on which was adjourned indefinitely at that meeting.
In the past year the Club has continued to work with shareholder representatives to seek to achieve a satisfactory solution to their concerns regarding issues of football governance raised by them.
Independent solicitors instructed by the shareholders have corresponded with the Scottish FA and UEFA, providing them with information for consideration and putting questions regarding governance procedures.
The shareholders’ representatives have recently informed the Club that, having taken further legal advice, they continue to have concerns following the responses received.
The Club is meeting next week with the shareholders’ representatives to understand their concerns and to discuss how to progress matters. This is an important matter of governance relating to the football authorities and the Club will continue to work with its shareholders in this regard.
Does anyone know if ALL the “football debts” actually got paid?
We know Hearts didn’t get the full amount for the world-class breakfasts guy, but what about Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City?
AULDHEID:
Then I stand humbly corrected, but I hope his words have more bite than choreographed placating platitudes.
kitalba on 1st December 2016 2:57 pm
AULDHEID:
Then I stand humbly corrected, but I hope his words have more bite than choreographed placating platitudes.
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I think we all do Kit.
We’ll see.
GLASSTWOTHIRDSFULL
I believe the English clubs, or at least some, are on the creditors list
I still fancy Aberdeen to be our nearest challengers as they are best at grinding out results against the lesser lights and that consistency will see them into 2nd place IMO at the end of the season.
When its spoken about in the press about Sevco in Europe its as if its a magic elixir which will cure their financial ills. There are a number of significant issues rarely mentioned. Firstly, there is a good chance they won’t qualify and then as reported for the first time in recent days there is a good chance they won’t be allowed to participate due to FFP legislation (That said I expect the SFA will bend over backwards and implore UEFA to let them in). However should they qualify and be allowed to participate Sevco have one of the lowest UEFA coefficients and will have a mountain to climb to qualify for the Europa group stages to make any significant amounts of money.
Auldheid
The outcomes of the resolutions at AGM are notified to the City of London , why is the Res 12 2013 update not mentioned and when will it be require to be notified to the City ?
Auldheid on 1st December 2016 12:53 pm
And that’s the rub for them! Article 12 puts the club at the pinnacle and the SFA don’t have them being continuous as even a 3 day break is enough to disrupt that without the other facts around the events!
This is something we should be pushing on a daily basis!
KTF
The Battered Bunnet on 1st December 2016 1:54 pm
Come on TBB, at least allow the writer a wee bit of poetic licence!
KTF
Kitalba
We’ll find d out next season hopefully. Hibs up and Huns remain is likely although neither are certainties…