Let’s be clear about what is going to happen on Friday. Monetary inducements are being made to allow a newly created company to advance its football team two divisions up the league structure.
The overwhelming majority of money to pay for these financial inducements will be taken from Celtic, who vehemently oppose all these measures. The SPL will reduce the commercial distribution to the top club in the league and pay-off everyone else. 41 teams will benefit financially from this proposition, only Celtic will lose.
For good measure, the SPL have declined to take gate sharing off the table. Up to 30% of your season ticket money will soon be commandeered by Kilmarnock, Motherwell and the rest, who will take their slice and share some with the lower leagues.
All the while you can scarcely find a football fan of any club who is anything other than disgusted by this shoddy behaviour; Celtic fans are by no means isolated. Most fans of former-club, Rangers, don’t want to see a phoenix assisted by such blatant patronage, lest Newco is forever known as a team which needed rules to be changed and money taken from Celtic to give it life.
Believe me, if Newco exists for 100 years, every day they score a goal someone will say, “They are only there because the rules were changed to help them and money was taken from Celtic to pay for it”.
They will forever be known as the Establishment club with definitive evidence that they benefited from the Establishment’s help.
The once-proud era of Scottish league football is surely over, what we are witnessing is merely evidence of this fact. ‘Sport’ as gone from our football. Fans, clubs and the national bodies must accept this reality and start to make forward plans to breathe the oxygen of genuine competition into our game.
Where is Michel Platini when football really needs some help?
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setting free the bears on 9 July, 2012 at 22:54 said:
How come Airdrie and Dundee have to abstain when Charles Green was allowed to cast his vote last week?
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Agreed. Perplexing and astonishing. Only in Scotland.
delia
“what a peevish, malicious bunch you are. I don’t call people names, ”
Do you even read your own posts?
Foxy_1888, 2012
I’m familiar with his work, yes
•-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on 9 July, 2012 at 22:58 said:
It’s a well known fact that Neil lost because that wave knocked him over on the beach . These are not opinion polls, but stated positions on the club websites. Peepil of course can change their mind :-)
HH
CRC
Many are looking from Celtic (again) on something that hasn’t happened yet.
As far as I can see, there will be no Sevco playing in Scottish football in 2012/2013. There are no rules which allow this. Rules can be changed but not in time for this season.
Celtic will not surrender any of their home gate money. There are no rules which allow this. Any attempt to alter this will be challenged in the courts by Celtic on behalf of the shareholders.
There is no need of official comment from Celtic on any of these matters at this time.
Only my opinions of course.
Foxy_1888, 22:50
If you think that by asking about them that he’s onto something regarding the EBTs then you’re mistaken. You are supposing something and the explanation I gave wasn’t my supposition, it was what’s happening – I’m in a position to know. Sorry if that disappoints
DUNDEE FOOTBALL CLUB STATEMENT
Dundee CEO Scot Gardiner today (4/7/2012) made the following statement on behalf of the Club.
“In order to try and bring some clarity to the situation for our fans and sponsors, I would like to outline some of the events of the last week or two in relation to Dundee FC and our position within the SFL.
When it became clear that the Clubs of the SFL were going to be called into Hampden on 3rd July to either take a vote or as it has been put, give a steer, in advance of a vote on Rangers Football Club being admitted into either Division 1 or Division 3, I immediately called the SFL.
The purpose of the call was to receive some guidance on whether Dundee FC would be conflicted in voting for either option as we would potentially be the direct beneficiaries of a yes vote in either case. I was very concerned that Dundee FC could be attacked or criticised for trying to influence the situation and or gain benefit for the Club by voting for either option.
The initial advice was that SFL rules clearly state that, save in extraordinary circumstances, ALL Members must vote and cannot abstain, such action would incur a heavy fine and there was an existing precedent.
Prior to the meeting however and following discussions with the SFL Office Bearers and their legal team, we were informed that these were extraordinary circumstances and there was indeed a clear conflict of interest and it would be against natural justice for us to vote. We could take part in the debate but not the vote. We were the only team in Division 1 told this as no other Club was conflicted.
Now that there is to be a formal vote on these matters at Hampden on the 12th July, our technical position is clear. We do not have to abstain as we cannot vote due to the stated potential conflict of interest which would be against natural justice. This is not our choice, it is however a fact that we cannot vote.
None of this means that we have been notified by the SPL, SFL or the SFA that our status as an SFL Club has changed or is due to change because we have not. We do hope however that this situation can be addressed as quickly as possible as it is clearly and obviously a tremendous distraction for all of us at Dundee FC with the season looming larger than ever.”
An impenetrable argument followed by a spot of name calling. A wind up or simply a bit of nonsense? You decide. I’m off.
DJBEE on 9 July, 2012 at 22:49
Cheers
Will be very interested to see how queen’s park vote.
Surely the amateur team with the Corinthian spirit cannot support cheats.
Also, malky Mackay is certainly not a Hun!
Ggh
THE EXILED TIM on 9 July, 2012 at 23:00 said:
Urgent request.
Embdy in the Aberdeen area know of a spare room going ???
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I heard that there’s a free berth now that Willie Miller has gone! ;-)
Howdy amigo! Sorry for that poor pun. How’s tricks?
Yes I read ’em. Peevish and malicious, and utterly, wholeheartedly, superhumanly dedicated to sidestepping the question. What do you think should be done about a league where one club has more money than just about all the rest put together? Nothing at all? Or some clever-clever crack about letting Kilmarnock keep 38 visitors’ admissions. If you think it’s OK, if you think it’s sustainable say so.
If, come Friday 13th, a sufficient number of SFL clubs bow to Establishment pressure to let a brand new club skip two divisions without having submitted 3 years accounts or otherwise prove it is a viable entity and if the brand new club thereby escapes any future punishment for the sins of another club (thanks to the SPL prevarication over the (“prima facie”) dual contracts case), does anyone think that Celtic have a resignation letter ready to be faxed/emailed/posted online setting out our intention to resign from the SFA/SPL in 2 years on the grounds that the integrity of the game would have been compromised???
Footy starts the morra
FC Augsburg, good start, decent team, 14th in the top league in Germany last season, wonder if Lenny has gotten inspiration from Spains no striker game plan !!!
Looking like a stream, unless it’s on C67
if there is to be gate sharing we might have to get the old board back to count the crowd.
Kilbowie Kelt
That is my recollection as well, I do not think it was anything to do with season tickets as such, although if you were looking for a season ticket holder in those days, the Stand is where you would find them.
So, if you did read ’em how about withdrawing the martyred attitude that you don’t call people names, only others bad-mouth you.
As for answering points, dirtymacs repeated challenge about the perverse incentives for both the sharer and potential freeloaders at 21.18 remains unanswered despite several attempts to raise it with you.
deliasmith on 9 July, 2012 at 22:55 said:
Incentives … I am reminded of the fable of the man who’d trained his donkey to eat less and less and just when he’d got it accustomed to eat nothing at all the bugger died.
How to put this? It’s not the sole function of a provincial football club to find players to sell – they would quite like to win the odd game, or even trophy.
Irrelevant, and quite frankly, the first part is a load of insulting bollocks and the second already happens – see last season.
That’s right.Gate sharing is a handicap on the biggest club, that’s the point.
So, by reducing the likelihood and indeed ability of the top club to compete beyond these meagre shores, tell me: how does that increase the quality of the league? How do we market a lesser product, led by a lesser club?
Or, more accuratelyonly gate sharing will fix this. What else would fix it? The only sizeable source of income in Scottish football is gate money.
The key is – are you interested in dealing with this imbalance, or are you happy for it to continue?
How many times do you have to look at this question before you address it squarely: What future is there for a league of Celtic and 11 dwarfs? Seriously, what’s to be done?
And as for the rest of the comments: what a peevish, malicious bunch you are. I don’t call people names, and if I see a point made in good faith I’ll answer it. I don’t suspect the motives or provenance of, or smear, people who disagree with me, but if you attack me as a person I’ll fight back. I think with Paul’s argument based on “It’s your money they’re after” – is a mean and unCeltic slogan, and I am pleased to be against it.
I will ask this one more time: How does gate-sharing fix the imbalances of our league?
Provide some figures, if you would be so kind, as I’ll provide some of my own off the top of my head…
Celtic’s income, in a CL Group season, will be c.£70m. We will net share around £5-6m, meaning that we’ll have around £65m to play around with. Without the CL money, we’ll have around £45-50m to play around with. Anything past the CL groups and our income will soar close to £80m.
Hearts will remain pretty static (or will net share out, if their gate income goes up by much). Ditto for Aberdeen. Both of these clubs are among the worst hamstrung by debt; neither will be affected much by any gate-sharing effect, except that those below them may well find it easier to overtake them en masse.
So, I ask you: are you interested in dealing with this imbalance, or are you happy for it to continue?
Dexter on 9 July, 2012 at 23:09 said:
If we had a league to go to and the board were able to issue such a communication I would be as happy as I was when the huns were pronounced deid.
Perhaps too much to hope for though.
Two hours and eighteen minutes later, I am off to bed. I may write something. Much more creative than mere editing, don’t you agree? I mean, Jabba’s an editor, I’m told.
Told you there would be no answer, and told you that people would be called names. Surprise, surprise!
The difficult bit must be pretending to be a Celtic supporter.
Hail Hail!
Night night…
Greetings fellow bhoys new 2 site 1st time poster …if rankers were so keen on division 3 why did they vote yes to stay in SPL
Chapelhall shamrock csc
BomberBroon
“its too damn quiet out there”
side of the moof, last punch.
AoW
As well as can be expected :>)
The young fella has a wee problem with his brother in law, his house, he pays the mortgage, that’s what he gets for sticking up for his sister, famillys, who would have one :>)
All this hun garbage is doing my head in, they will be looked after, that is as plain as the day is a day, any other club would have had the rules applied as per, but we are talking huns here, so there are no rules.
Saw a bit of talk about the masonic influence earlier, they are at the heart of whats happening, re the tax case, re the rule bending, re all things hun, that I know for a fact, a hun fact.
Apart from all things hun, and a wee familly prob, life is magic, it’s as hot as feck, unusally hot for the time of year, the pool is a godsend, so can’t really complain, but being human, complain is what we do.
Eamonn Cushley on 9 July, 2012 at 23:20 said:
a Hunnish question.
your obviously wan o them
Listen bhoys if we are forced to gate share, I understand there are other ways to save money.
Offer side contracts ( but don’t register them!)
Run dodgy EBTs
Dont pay income tax or VAT
Run up massive overdrafts and pass them onto the taxpayers as toxic debt
Borrow money of South African tax payers via a nice bloke called Dave
As Delia would say “let’s cook the books!”
The punishment doe not look too bad either, if the establishment have their way, as we would be also be too big a club to be punished or then again…..
HH
CRC
Delia, oh great sage (well not so great as I prefer parsley)!
So you think the only sustainable way forward for Scoddish football is for Celtic – and thereby Celtic supporters – to subsidise it year on end ad-infinitum?
For this to happen Celtic would be forced by the majority for it to happen.
The 11 – “We want 30% of your gate for the next 3 years, after which Rangers, who you will have already subsidised, will be back and we’ll change the rules and ask for a higher percentage, thereby creating a more level playing field!”
Celtic – “Where do we send the cheque?”
As my maw says – and I’m back to my favourite herb – “Yer arse in parsley!”
The difficult bit must be pretending to be a Celtic supporter.
The mock outrage is a bit of a giveaway.
Celtic Mac on 9 July, 2012 at 23:11 said: ———————-
Thanks, Mac.
I knew very few season-book holders in my early days. Strangely enough I knew a couple of guys who had SBs for Celtic & Clyde, who were never scheduled to play at home on the same Saturday.
SuperSutton on 9 July, 2012 at 23:05 said:
Correct …….. Let’s wait until the orcs are gone, and we can then sort out any situation which is not acceptable …….patience, Bhoys…..
Evening all, not read back so apologies if this has already been noted, but anybody know why we’re still getting R*ngers and Sevco news on the BBC’s *SPL* page?? Last I heard Sevco were def playing in a lower league (maybe) and the other has ceased to exist. Folks are going to have to grasp the reality SOMETIME.
Am I to lie awake all night or do you think we are likely to hear any more from fanandpatriot tonight?
Delia, oh great sage (well not so great as I prefer parsley)!
The best line I have seen on the blog for some time…superb stuff :>)))))
Don’t think was a genuine question don’t no how ud think a was ” 1 of them “from that ur paranoia makes u should Hunnish been a season ticket holder for 12 years :-) as a said 1st time poster gives a break eh !
O.G.Rafferty
A long time after your question, the answer would be, ‘Heinz Ketchup!’
Now, I guess a lot of people are asking, ‘What the blazes was the question?’
Terry wogan used to do a series where the answer was given and you had to guess the question.
My all time favorite was, ‘If the answer is 9W, what is the question?’
‘Do you spell your name with a V, Mr Wagner?’
‘9,W’
Got me Teddy and off to me scratcher!
Hail! Hail!
Terrymac
Should = sound ma bad
So how do you stop gate sharing when there’s an 11-1 vote?
Kilbowie Celt
My old man had a ticket for the old enclosure before the front stand was built. I used to get a lift over as he knew the guy on the gate.
I guess a lot of folk would not have been able to put cash up front for a season ticket then.
Ggh
ET – Yep it is doing my head in too.
I liked the good old days during the summer break when the MSM would be telling us of the `exclusive kwality signings’ mibbes going to Mordor.
They used to love rubbing our noses in it our bargain basement bhoys, you know like Lubo and Heinke, and then claim that we were lucky they worked out.
nostalgiacsc