Let’s be clear about what is going to happen on Friday. Monetary inducements are being made to allow a newly created company to advance its football team two divisions up the league structure.
The overwhelming majority of money to pay for these financial inducements will be taken from Celtic, who vehemently oppose all these measures. The SPL will reduce the commercial distribution to the top club in the league and pay-off everyone else. 41 teams will benefit financially from this proposition, only Celtic will lose.
For good measure, the SPL have declined to take gate sharing off the table. Up to 30% of your season ticket money will soon be commandeered by Kilmarnock, Motherwell and the rest, who will take their slice and share some with the lower leagues.
All the while you can scarcely find a football fan of any club who is anything other than disgusted by this shoddy behaviour; Celtic fans are by no means isolated. Most fans of former-club, Rangers, don’t want to see a phoenix assisted by such blatant patronage, lest Newco is forever known as a team which needed rules to be changed and money taken from Celtic to give it life.
Believe me, if Newco exists for 100 years, every day they score a goal someone will say, “They are only there because the rules were changed to help them and money was taken from Celtic to pay for it”.
They will forever be known as the Establishment club with definitive evidence that they benefited from the Establishment’s help.
The once-proud era of Scottish league football is surely over, what we are witnessing is merely evidence of this fact. ‘Sport’ as gone from our football. Fans, clubs and the national bodies must accept this reality and start to make forward plans to breathe the oxygen of genuine competition into our game.
Where is Michel Platini when football really needs some help?
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lochgoilheadbhoy @ 22:00…
As I posted earlier, gate sharing ended in February 1981.
Season ticket holders were very few in number at all clubs in those days.
Celtic’s season ticket “revolution” started in the Centenary season when the numbers jumped dramatically to around 10000 I believe.
It was the actual cash collected on the day which was split between the clubs.
Around 1983/84 my brother visted Desmond White’s office in Bath Street and literally pleaded to be allowed to purchase a Main Stand season ticket for him and his son.
All the cash up front.
Desmond was having none of it!
His response was along the lines of season ticket holders making too many demands of the club in return for their stakeholdiing.
Changed days.
No Sevco Scotland in the Scottish Football League
Spartans for Division 3
Some random thoughts?
Does Walter have an EBT?
Does Alistair have an EBT?
When will we hear about the dual contract investigation?
What is Campbell Ogilvie doing?
Did Rangers pay the SFA compensation when Walter walked away from Scotland?
The bould bhoys….. Tá ár lá anois on 9 July, 2012 at 21:27 said:
WTC and Asbestos
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Bloody hell that’s me up all night reading thatsite!
I blame Mossad ;)
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acoustamatix
I read Lennys comments on the fishal site earlier, and wondered the self same thing.
Why buy into a corrupt league structure.
Good post btw.
Before I log off, Bundoran Bhoy posted earlier that he had come across some big news but was unable to post until confirmed, are we still waiting?
The Champers still patiently rests awhile yet!
HH
Paul67 et al
If the SPL are party to any threat to the SFL then last weeks’ vote may not carry the same level of integrity many of us hoped. Indeed, it would be an act of duplicity. We vote against Sevco so that you can vote them into Division 1, beginning three weeks from now. Is that the Masterplan? Not great it has to be said.
As for gate sharing, that ended back in the mid 1970s, with the Gang of Ten. We were one of them by the way. Cannot in all seriousness see it coming back this Friday, though stranger things have happened recently under the banner of Scottish football. Anyway, what would happen to the £2 million if we don’t give it to the SFL, (for disobeying), is it going to be shared out too?
jock steins celtic on 9 July, 2012 at 21:42 said:
the worry is that the people who denied them an SPL place did so on the understanding they’d get into Division 1.
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Bingo. Clarity. And just take a guess who’d be right at the top of the pile with that understanding. Celtic.
Celtic PLC do have a duty care towards shareholders do they not?
Shareholders v Sporting Integrity?
Welcome Der Hun to Div 1.
Bundoran Bhoy – RAISING AWARENESS OF NEUROBLASTOMA (GOD BLESS WEE OSCAR) on 9 July, 2012 at 22:33 said:
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HH
CRC
Vmhan on 9 July, 2012 at 22:34 said:
I havent been on blog till now lol
HH
SFTB @ 22:13…
The end of gate sharing (February 1981) I think was overshadowed by the introduction of the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 1980 which became effective the previous month.
Vmhan
It was fanadpatriot.
He posted a scenario later about devious peepil in high places, or something similar :>)))
Has newco or D&P asked Souness for the £30 grand back as it was obviously an error?
If it wasn’t an error then has any journalist asked him what it was for?
Are there any journalists? Well this one is obvious.
Are H.M.R.C going forensic? Let’s hope so.
Iborcscsicsc
Acoustamix
First class post.
I don’t think we can react until plod reacts.
Thats how UEFA normally operate.
HH
Gordon on 9 July, 2012 at 22:26 said:
Celtic’s season ticket “revolution” started in the Centenary season when the numbers jumped dramatically to around 10000 I believe.
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I bought my first season ticket after we won the centenary double. The immediate years afterwards was blind devotion as the football on offer steadily deteriorated in the face of a rampant hun.
The Barca-esque membership model will not happen if gate-sharing is voted in.
Why?
Because the members are the annual ‘owners’ of the club, meaning that in order to facilitate this, DD would have to relinquish his shareholding in the club.
Although…
How much do you think it would cost to relieve him of this? And how about the membership (read: season ticket), given what it’s for, being used in the first year to pay off Desmond and have us survive on reduced income, possibly boosted by CL income, for that season?
btw, it would also mean that existing shareholders would receive a proportionate dividend initially (to buy the £120 season book, perhaps?)
Therafter, we pay an annual sub of c £300, which purchases a full voting right* and also a £300 discount voucher for a season book.
*No individual could control the club thereafter, unless they bought up tens of thousands** of memberships.
**Memberships should be restricted to 50 per individual, which gives 50 AGM votes, etc. This would allow groups to bulk up their ‘member’.
fnarr
Mr X loves having a “fly kick” on 9 July, 2012 at 22:41 said:
Gordon on 9 July, 2012 at 22:26 said:
Celtic’s season ticket “revolution” started in the Centenary season when the numbers jumped dramatically to around 10000 I believe.
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I bought my first season ticket after we won the centenary double. The immediate years afterwards was blind devotion as the football on offer steadily deteriorated in the face of a rampant hun.
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Haha, it’s spelled c-h-e-a-t-i-n-g, not r-a-m-p-a-n-t
Crackin tash btw :>)
Mr X @ 22:41…
Too true, “the wilderness years”
acoustamatix – for such a well written and well….lengthy article it would be polite to give Mr Lennon his Christian name or one of the more accepted variations that Celtic fans use!
pickycsc
Lochgoilhead bhoy
season tickets were deducted, but the number of season tickets was limited to a percentage of capacity back then.
Ggh
Exiled Tim, gracias amigo!
Bundoran Bhoy sorry pal I get confused with Bundorans, Buncranna and most Donegal Bhoys, to be fair I’m easily confused TAL
HH and good night Celts.
THE EXILED TIM on 9 July, 2012 at 22:44 said:
Crackin tash btw :>)
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That directed at me?
lol
ftsfa cqn BAMPOT on 9 July, 2012 at 22:31 said:
The bould bhoys….. Tá ár lá anois on 9 July, 2012 at 21:27 said:
WTC and Asbestos
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You might want to have a look at Architects and Engineers for 911Truth, or something like that. Blow your mind. No multi storey buuilding has ever collapsed due to fire but three fell in one day. Building7? Should keep you busy until at least Christmas.
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HH
O.G.Rafferty on 9 July, 2012 at 21:51 said:
Did they say tell it to stop it’s vining (and not to look for EBT findings)? I’m trying to ketchup myself
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lol. You dont have to look for EBT findings. They’re ruling’s merely on hold due to the threat of “social unrest”. Awaiting Establishment clearance. Merde flows down.
Follow Alex Thomson on this. If anyone can get the scoop, he can.
dirtymac on 9 July, 2012 at 22:42 said
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Mr X loves having a “fly kick” on 9 July, 2012 at 22:41 said:
I bought my first season ticket after we won the centenary double. The immediate years afterwards was blind devotion as the football on offer steadily deteriorated in the face of a rampant hun.
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Haha, it’s spelled c-h-e-a-t-i-n-g, not r-a-m-p-a-n-t
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Ah, indeed. But at the time it was soul-destroying.
That said, the hard core were still faithful through and through all right. I remember going to Fir Park, last day of the season, early 90s, Celtic lying 5th I think, and me with 6 spare Celtic end tickets to try and offload outside the ground.
Sold the lot.
So currently 13-3 against newco, with Airdrie abstaining and Dundee not allowed to vote. So that leaves 12 to declare.
Mmmm looks a close one! :-)
HH
CRC
dirtymac
Why would you ask me that now ???
How come Airdrie and Dundee have to abstain when Charles Green was allowed to cast his vote last week?
Cheers Vmhan takes over where Gus left off. Still at least Gus went quietly, haha, I think I had a bad dream after that one and I am no spring chicken. Canny wait.
Why gate-sharing in a skewed league is bad:
– for the smaller, receiving clubs, it reduces the incentives (to raise cash) to produce your own players
Incentives … I am reminded of the fable of the man who’d trained his donkey to eat less and less and just when he’d got it accustomed to eat nothing at all the bugger died.
How to put this? It’s not the sole function of a provincial football club to find players to sell – they would quite like to win the odd game, or even trophy.
– for the bigger, giving club, it reduces income ergo ‘something’ gives. ‘Something’ takes the form of short term sales of ‘star players’ and often a downsizing also of youth development. That’s right.Gate sharing is a handicap on the biggest club, that’s the point.
Comparisons with yesteryear are utterly irrelevant in this argument in that crowd sizes were not so disparate as they are now and also merchandising income was very level amongts clubs, i.e. pretty much non-existent.
Incomes/turnover at the five biggest clubs in Scotland were within a margin of around +/-20% of the 3rd largest club. Income/turnover at Celtic next season, assuming CL group stages, will outstrip the rest of the SPL put together.
Gate sharing will not fix this Or, more accuratelyonly gate sharing will fix this. What else would fix it? The only sizeable source of income in Scottish football is gate money.
The key is – are you interested in dealing with this imbalance, or are you happy for it to continue?
How many times do you have to look at this question before you address it squarely: What future is there for a league of Celtic and 11 dwarfs? Seriously, what’s to be done?
And as for the rest of the comments: what a peevish, malicious bunch you are. I don’t call people names, and if I see a point made in good faith I’ll answer it. I don’t suspect the motives or provenance of, or smear, people who disagree with me, but if you attack me as a person I’ll fight back. I think with Paul’s argument based on “It’s your money they’re after” – is a mean and unCeltic slogan, and I am pleased to be against it.
celticrollercoaster
Why are Dundee not allowed to vote ?
Why are Dunfermline being allowed to vote ?
Jeezo, make up the rules as they go, it’s a feckin joke, and they want us to buy into this !!!!
setting free the bears on 9 July, 2012 at 22:54 said:
Airdrie has chosen to abstain, as they will benefit from the vote. There must have been no benefit for Sevco :-)
HH
CRC
I don’t know anything definitively about when gate sharing was ended.
What I remember is being told over my young years that only the terracing gate money was shared. The admission money for the stand was retained by the home club.
Anybody have this recollection ?
celticrollercoaster supporting wee Oscar on 9 July, 2012 at 22:52 said:
So currently 13-3 against newco, with Airdrie abstaining and Dundee not allowed to vote. So that leaves 12 to declare.
1992 General election. Opinion polls said Neil Kinnock was going to win. He didn’t and they put it down to the fact that people were too embarrassed to tell the pollsters that they were going to vote Tory. People lied. You can do that with a secret ballot. Not that I’m suggesting that any SFL chairmen would lie about their voting intentions of course…..
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Urgent request.
Embdy in the Aberdeen area know of a spare room going ???
The young fella needs a room for a few weeks.
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He is not an axe murderer BTW