There will have been tired limbs at Lennonxtown when the players resumed full training yesterday after their exertions on Tuesday night but they will still be desperate to take to the field at Firhill on Sunday. This game is a necessary preparation ahead of the Amsterdam AreanA in 12 days.
We have an advantage for Amsterdam…..
Ajax are nip and tuck with a handful of clubs near the top of the Dutch league. They have three home games in the league and cup before facing Celtic and the pressure is on to win each of them. Ajax don’t have the ability to allow players extended recuperation time to ensure they are in pristine condition for Champions League duty, Celtic do.
I would rest everyone we don’t have good cover for. This is also a game for Nir Biton to start. The player needs to get back in the saddle as quickly as possible after Tuesday, he is also unlikely to see Champions League group stage action again this season.
After his international and other duties, Charlie Mulgrew would benefit from a rest. We don’t have sufficient cover for James Forrest and Beram Kayal, so send them away for the weekend.
Use every advantage possible.
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SHAMEFUL: Fury over UK soldiers investigated after performing Nazi-style salute in Helmand
By Mark Nicol, Nick Craven and Andy Beaven
PUBLISHED: 22:02, 26 October 2013 | UPDATED: 23:32, 26 October 2013
In an image which will cause widespread outrage, two serving British soldiers appear to give Nazi-style salutes while standing to attention in front of the Union Flag.
Apparently taken at an Army base in Helmand Province, Afghanistan, the photograph will provoke international disgust as Remembrance Day approaches.
Last night the Ministry of Defence told The Mail on Sunday that both soldiers have been investigated by Army chiefs. A spokesman said: ‘The two people doing the salute in the photo have been spoken to.
Shocking: These two soldiers making Nazi-style salutes in front of the Union Flag have been investigated by Army chiefs
Shocking: These two soldiers making Nazi-style salutes in front of the Union Flag have been investigated by Army chiefs
‘This sort of behaviour has no place in the Armed Forces. We take such matters seriously.’
MPs and ex-military leaders condemned the troops’ behaviour.
John Mann, chairman of the Commons’ All Party Group Against Anti-Semitism said: ‘This is an insult to the memory of those who gave their lives to stop the Nazis.
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‘These idiots need to be re-educated and they should be sent to visit Auschwitz and see what happened there and witness the evil which so many people fought to stop.’
‘So many thousands of people died for this country and the last thing we want is their memory being tarnished by a couple of idiots in uniform.
As Remembrance Sunday approaches, the MoD should send these guys around the country to clean war memorials.’
The Ministry of Defence yesterday confirmed that the men in the photograph were genuine soldiers.
The photograph also shows the flag of Northern Ireland, while the Union Flag is inscribed with ‘Invicta Loyal’ – the name of a Glasgow Rangers supporters’ club, based in Kent.
Insult: In another picture published online the soldiers hold guns but their faces are obscured
Insult: In another picture published online the soldiers hold guns but their faces are obscured. ‘Invicta Loyal’ is the name of a Glasgow Rangers supporters’ club in Kent
There is a suggestion that the gesture may be a ‘Red Hand of Ulster’ salute, a gesture once used by Rangers football fans to show allegiance with Northern Irish Loyalists.
But Mr Mann, the MP for Bassetlaw, added: ‘Whether they call it a “Red Hand salute” or whatever makes absolutely no difference – this is one of the most offensive gestures they could make in the modern world.’
Jeffrey Donaldson MP of the Democratic Unionist Party said: ‘Anyone who would imitate a Nazi salute in front of the Union Flag or wearing the uniform dishonours these flags and the British Army.
‘Any symbolism associated with fascism has no place in the Unionist tradition or any regiment of the British Army.
‘We do not know to which regiment these soldiers belong but the Royal Irish Regiment, with which I am associated, has a proud record of fighting fascism.’
Fellow Democratic Unionist MP Sammy Wilson added: ‘This is not a salute made by marching bands [in Northern Ireland]. It is not clear what the context is but I do not think it can be explained away as some type of Red Hand of Ulster salute.’
The Ministry of Defence said the men had been subjected to ‘administrative action’ – a process of investigation with possible punishment if the personnel are found to have breached Army regulations.
Soldiers are allowed to belong to political parties, but are banned from political marches and demonstrations, and are expected to abide by Army values.
In another photograph published elsewhere on the internet, a group of soldiers are seen bedecked in the sashes and other regalia of the Orange Order.
Many of the pages on the Invicta Loyal website display open sectarian hatred, while it also includes loyalist songs such as The Billy Boys – now banned at Rangers’ ground, Ibrox – which includes the lines: ‘We’re up to our knees in Fenian Blood /Surrender or you’ll die. ‘
The website also has photographs from a ‘social’ event held by Invicta Loyal members where a gents’ toilet displayed a notice inviting supporters to ‘P*** on a Papist’ as pictures of the Pope, Gerry Adams and IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands were stuck to the urinal.
Last month soldiers at a Rangers match as part of Armed Forces Day were accused of joining in sectarian singing. Troops who had been parading on the Ibrox pitch were seen to break ranks, and one soldier was allegedly photographed with a ‘Keep Ulster Protestant’ scarf.
The incident was reported to the police and a file was also sent to Army chiefs.
THE SUSPECT RED HAND DEFENCE
Rangers football fans giving Nazi salutes
Rangers fans were investigated by UEFA in 2007 when some made straight-armed salutes during a match against an Israeli team in Tel Aviv.
European football’s governing body was satisfied by Rangers’ explanation that the fans were making ‘Red Hand of Ulster salutes’ but the club warned fans not to repeat the gesture.
Some experts, however, dismiss the idea that such a tradition exists.
Historian Ian S Wood, who has studied Ulster Loyalism for decades, said: ‘I’ve never seen or heard of anything called a red hand salute.’
An MoD statement on the matter said at the time: ‘Any personnel found to have fallen short of the Armed Forces’ values and standards will be dealt with by the chain of command and, if necessary, by the police.’
So far there has been no announcement of disciplinary action against any of the troops and no charges brought by police.
John McMillan, former general secretary of the Rangers Supporters Association last night warned against one-arm salutes.
He said: ‘It is something that fans should really avoid doing as it can be misinterpreted as a Nazi symbol and offend people. I do not think it is something we should be associated with and I do not think the club would welcome it.
‘I am quite sure it was not meant to be a Nazi salute. I have not seen fans making the Red Hand of Ulster salute myself, but I would advise against anyone doing it because of how it could be viewed by others.’
Drew Roberton of the Rangers Supporters Association’s agreed that such salutes were ‘ill-advised’.
He said: ‘In this day and age people must be mindful of the gestures they make. Regardless of what their own opinion is, it doesn’t necessarily fit with the wider view.
‘The Red Hand of Ulster salute is ill-advised. People have compared it to the Nazi salute and it could be misinterpreted as such – it looks very similar – so I would ask people to desist from doing it.
‘I am 100 per cent certain that the salute performed by these soldiers is not in any way showing support for the Nazis – they are doing a Red Hand of Ulster salute. I am not surprised that they have done it but I would ask them to refrain from it.’
But not everyone considered the soldiers’ transgression so seriously.
Belfast-born Iraq War commander Colonel Tim Collins, who led the 1st Battalion, the Royal Irish Regiment, said: ‘These soldiers are behaving inappropriately in uniform but I wouldn’t get too worried about soldiers behaving playfully.
‘If this is offensive then so is the First XV Rugby team not wearing regimental ties. This is beyond minor, it is a grain of sand and I do not think for a second that these soldiers should be removed from the British Army. You’d end someone’s career for having a laugh? How do people manage to be offended by so little?’
A spokesman for the Royal British Legion, which launched its annual Poppy Appeal last week, said they could not comment on the incident as it was subject to Army discipline.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2477639/SHAMEFUL-Fury-UK-soldiers-investigated-performing-Nazi-style-salute-Helmand.html
a light insanity
Apols amigo,
Try to cover replies for both scenarios :))
Keep chatting ! I’m about to pass out anyway – the theosophists haven been drugging my drinks all day !
Morrissey
How soon is now? Love that track. Can you link it please? :))
Steinreignedsupreme,
People are equating “old firm” games with domestic violence.
Why not be honest about it and say certain “old firm” games?
Bill hicks and George Carlin,
this looks like my kind of night.
We are BORN into SLAVERY!
Delaneys Dunky @ 00:27
How Soon Is now?
Fred
OF is history, thankfully :))
Morrissey,
Re free Canamalar,
He can still post here??
I don’t know what he needs freed from, but if that fella was ever imprisoned, I’d be the first to get in there to free him Kevin Kostner style.
The p”’k would never thank me though, but it doesn’t matter. I’d sup my guiness in the D winking at him so that in 2023 he would eventually buy me a guiness back. F@cker. :))
Tonydonnelly – saw your post last night where you said you were involved in setting up the Bramalea Celtic club in Toronto. Good on you sir – i wept openly when i went there in 2005; early kick- off so it meant 07.45 in the morning, the place was teeming with tims who were swapping excuses about how they would explain this to their wives.
You must know my uncle Calford, and my wee cousin of the same name – a complete waster who goes through life drinking beer, entertaining women, and believing that being a semi-professional golfer is a proper job.
Delaneys Dunky,
For us yes.
Anyway
zimmerman – Conspiracy Theorist : Nothing more than a derogatory title to dismiss a critical thinker) @ 00:29
Great stuff!
Jim Gaffigan – Bacon – KING BABY
http://youtu.be/CaK9bjLy3v4
ernie lynch,
Investigations into the British Army,investigations into the RUC,investigations into the UDR,investigations into Deidco,investigations into Newco,investigations till the day we die mate..it still continues.
Frankie Boyle
Frankie Boyle Live At The Apollo Season 4 Episode 4
http://youtu.be/G8Zy-cTryaU
FFM – I’m the only conspiracy theorist in the village) @ 00:32
No. Canamalar was banned from CQN a few days ago. Does everybody just think he just stopped posting?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQlqjONEsKQ
‘The clocks going back will mean you have an extra
hour of drunken unconsciousness’
Frankie Boyle
Following on from ernie lynch h
00:25 on
27 October, 2013
George Galloway 25th 10
Celtic fans getting arrested in Gallowgate , Dissident republicans getting arrested Last week ,for what ever reason’s un be known to me,guilty ,i don’t know.
Ranger’s International fans getting away with blue ,was going to say that word . but to simplify sectarianism on a weekly basis,Army involved .
It’s not all making sense to me ,then again ,when has it ever .something’s afoot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PioYoi37awg
Morrissey the 23rd @ 00:42
For what???
George Galloway never said them comments in my last post it was me , he said the stuff in the link
Morrissey
Thank you very much sir. My fav Smiths track. Johnny Marr is my fav guitarist of all. :))
FFM – I’m the only conspiracy theorist in the village) @ 00:46
Don’t know. I did see an exchange with him and someone the other day. I think Canamalar called the other poster a name. It can’t have been that though cause a threat was made to me recently and nothing happened regarding that (Not that I would want that) and that has to be worse. He doesn’t know either. He was not given a reason.
Fred C. Dobbs 00:28 on 27 October, 2013
“People are equating “old firm” games with domestic violence.
“Why not be honest about it and say certain “old firm” games?”
Just about to shoot off.
I can see what you are saying. There may have been a rise in domestic violence after a Glasgow Derby which thankfully no longer exists, and there may be figures that prove the reports increased depending on the Huns losing.
But people indulging in this abuse are just as likely to do it any other day of the year. That’s the point I am trying to make.
Abusers will always find a reason to do it – that may have been after a Glasgow derby or any other football match, a loss at the bookies, too much to drink or just because the assailant feels like putting the victim in their place.
I don’t care what team abusers support. They are lowlife as far as I am concerned. And they exist in every walk of life and support different football teams.
Away tae ma kip…C’mon the Hoops tomorrow.
Celtic ///…\\\ Celtic
Ernie,
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/victims-of-miami-showband-massacre-sue-mod-and-police-over-alleged-udr-collusion-with-loyalist-killers-29701406.html
Steinreignedsupreme,
My point is they are dragging ME into it.
Good morning fellow hoops
How are we all?
Nice evening with family, who have now gone to bed. wHoops Mrs CRC is back in the room. :-)
HH
CRC
Morrissey the 23rd @ 00:50
After reading last night, I know the poster in question.
I’m out of here.
Best of luck, and am sure we’ll be in touch via emails and friends this great place gave us.
Watched these a-holes bully and snide at everyone that had a question of how things were being ran all summer.
Comes to the big question -they get protection.
Not for me.Seen enough. Our worst fears are confirmed imo.
G’nite all. HH
Steinreignedsupreme,
If the spike is when the huns lose…why are we implicated?
I support the Resolution being put forward
at the AGM however in order to achieve the desired
outcome it will require wider support beyond Celtic FC
and imo there is no willingness in Scottish football or society
to expose the blatant corruption that has taken place.
That will forever be Scotland’s shame.
Hope Amido starts and scores. Got faith in the Bhoy.
Morrissey 23rd, can you email me at acgr@hotmail.co.uk and give me a number to call you on.
Thanks
acgr
ACGR
Hope things have settled down for you my friend? I understand you went through a nightmare recently.
Stay strong
HH
CRC
Gordon64,
Turnbull Hutton is my hero forever.Wish they all had the balls he has.
Bruce Springsteen-youngstown
FFM – I’m the only conspiracy theorist in the village)
Bed so early,with an extra hour on hand,
you signed a pact?
dd,
Three players I mentioned long ago could have propelled us further.
Ricky Lambert,Charlie Austin and we could have had Nick Powell on loan.
TCR
TH is in the know. He wants the poison out the game. He deserves our support.