Outgoing First Minister’s selective criminalisation

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I’m sure there are people all over England wondering why their manager is apologising for anti-IRA chants by England fans last night.  Someone likely pointed out to Roy Hodgson that his fans were breaking the law in Scotland by doing so, hundreds, if not thousands, could be criminalised this morning.

Their names and addresses are known to the football authorities, the match was televised and the chanting received widespread media coverage.  Police Scotland were all over the ground and had the England fans surrounded.

All this took place in front of the First Minister, whose government decided laws against bigotry and sectarianism left them unable to “equalise” fans of all colours, most of whom never chant bigoted or sectarian words.

Alex Salmond left the stage caring nothing that the police have no interest in applying his law on this occasion.  It wasn’t designed to criminalise the English, it was to criminalise Celtic fans.  If the Offensive Behaviour Act can be flouted in front of the nation, the police and the First Minister, without censure or action, it is an absurd nonsense.  The SNP government has refused to debate a review into the Act, never mind repeal it.  They are defending the indefensible.

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  1. Philbhoy

     

     

    Came off at half time for Sweden on Saturday night.

     

     

    Holding his head in his hands. Or hands to his head to be more accurate. I think that bit was frustration. Or else said hammy had pinged into his cranium.

     

     

    :-(

     

     

    HH jamesgang

  2. mike in toronto on

    okay … last post… then I really do have to run …

     

     

    Jamesgang, it takes a wise man to recognize one! :)

     

     

    Hail hail

  3. jamesgang

     

     

    Cheers!

     

     

    I hope you are enjoying the games with young jamesgang.

     

     

    They are not wee for very long.

     

     

    Enjoy!

  4. Mikey

     

     

    You’re a hoot. See you @ the Corner. Some day!

     

     

    Philbhoy

     

     

    You too are a hoot. Mild mannered big jovial chap in person. But fairly puts in a tackle on the blog!

     

     

    ;-) x 2

     

     

    HH jamesgang

  5. Paul 67,

     

     

    An excellent article, telling it how it is.

     

     

    As you state “defending the indefensible”

     

     

    HH.

  6. Philbhoy

     

     

    He had his pal from across the road over to watch the game last night. A 9 y/o (mine) and an 11 y/o. How much FIFA 15 Xbox sho1te did they talk whole watching the game?!?!?!

     

     

    Memo to self. Just me and the wee Mhan at the game at the weekend.

     

     

    NaeWeePalsWelcomeCSC

     

     

    I’m away. Take care all.

     

     

    HH jamesgang

  7. BGX:

     

     

    You’ve got me confused, I thought everybody was outraged by that regardless. Still can’t see which NO voters you are refering to.

  8. Wasn’t at the game last night cos I ain’t paying 100 sobs for my ain seat for a friendly no matter who is playing

     

     

    Anyway didn’t know anything about offensive chanting until this morning after listening to a particular radio phone in programme. As regards the lead article I heard comment from one caller this morning that the particular chant that is being alluded too was “more embarrassing than offensive” A view that I concur with. There was no mention of the fact that this particular chant may be construed,under the the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012 , in Scotland as criminal. Per se from what I know of the chant none of the words are particularly offensive unless you a a supporter of the proscribed organisation. The said organisation are not representative of the Irish people and nation so in the context of it being used at the stadium of a club with an Iris heritage and tradition while the same stadium was the sole domain of the SFA last night, I have no idea

     

     

    As for the OBB itself I unashamedly repost from last week the figures gathered from its enforcement in the last 2013-2014 financial year. It appears we are trailing well behind from that other lot from across the city. How you perceive it is another matter.

     

     

     

    http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2014/06/8566/4

  9. mickbhoy1888

     

     

    …with an Iris heritage and tradition…

     

     

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    My Iris heritage comes from my dad – he has green eyes too…

  10. And to think many wanted to give the wallopers who dreamt this bill up they keys to the country….

     

     

    Like putting the committee of your local golf club into the robes of office. Small minded, white, middle class, blinkered sophists.

  11. Kitalba

     

     

    Chapeau.

     

     

    I honestly do wonder at times what KevJ is aiming to achieve, but it’s really none of my business at the end of the day.

  12. BGX @ 13.08hrs.

     

     

    “Voted YES.for Independence…have never voted SNP dont know if i ever will…blah blah blah”

     

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    Please do not think I am having a go at you, I most certainly am not. It is totally your prerogative what you think is best for the country. It is the hypocrisy of those who formulated, and those who implement the OB act that I am having a go at.

     

    However this is your reply to me the other night.

     

     

    Greenpinta…i would hope the O B act would be repealled …if not

     

    ..i very much doubt that it will influence my vote…i will vote SNP…reason is ..Independence is my goal…and in an Independent Scotland i hope to see the rise of a proper socialist Labour party…i will never see this under the status quo

     

     

    HH to you.

  13. Paul67

     

     

    I thought the passing of the OBB was an indication of an intellectual deficit and poor judgement in the politicians who voted for it that I found worrying.

  14. Auldheid:

     

     

    I concur but I know his heart is in the right place. If I could advise him I ask him to tone it down a little, but that is his sole prerogative.

     

     

    At the end of the day mate, many frustrations are fraying many nerves but that should not be the cause of a fall-out amongst good Celtic men and women.

     

     

    After all, we really are on the one road and we should be together, at least that’s what I’d wish for.

  15. Morrissey the 23rd on

    Friesdorfer @ 12:01 on 19 November, 2014

     

    Auldheid, Canamalar,

     

    There was a mention a few days ago that a statement on the progress of Res 12 from last year’s AGM would be published prior to this year’s AGM – which is now only 2 days away. Are you in a position to advise when this statement will be forthcoming?

     

    HH

     

     

     

    Auldheid @ 12:12 on 19 November, 2014

     

    Friesdorfer

     

    It’s going to be handled at the AGM itself following discussions with Celtic.

     

     

     

    dessybhoy @13:02 on 19 November, 2014

     

    auldheid

     

    As someone who supported res 12 but cannot attend the AGM will this statement be available to me

     

     

     

    Auldheid 13:09 on 19 November, 2014

     

    Desseyboy

     

    Publically Phil MacGiolla Bhain has helped in the past and CQN can be used to answer any questions.

     

     

    Bawsman @12:39 on 19 November, 2014

     

    Auldheid

     

    12:12 on

     

    19 November, 2014

     

    Friesdorfer

     

    It’s going to be handled at the AGM itself following discussions with Celtic.

     

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    Can you give us a clue on how it will be handled?

     

     

    Auldheid @ 13:03 on 19 November, 2014

     

    Bawsman

     

    In the Q&A.

     

     

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

     

     

     

    I want my personal opinion on this known and recorded.

     

     

    I can think of no good reason for a joint statement by Celtic not being made. In fact, feedback is long overdue in my opinion and I find the lack of comment from Celtic since last AGM to be a concern.

     

     

    Most of the shareholders who signed the requisition for this resolution do not read CQN or Phil MacGiolla Bhain’s blogs. They deserve proper feedback and respect direct from Celtic.

     

     

    I can think of no good reason why feedback to shareholders on an adjourned resolution has not been scheduled into AGM.

     

    I do trust it will raised during Q&A but feel it should be treated with more respect and we should not be hoping that it is raised. It’s not a side issue. It should not be treated as such.

  16. weeminger

     

     

     

    13:55 on 19 November, 2014

     

     

     

     

    Have you looked at the records of how this went through parliament, they’re available on the Govt website?

     

     

    Celtic were consulted and voiced their opposition to the law as proposed, it’s on the record.

     

     

     

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    Have you got a link to this please?

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  18. “Most of the shareholders who signed the requisition for this resolution do not read CQN or Phil MacGiolla Bhain’s blogs. ”

     

     

     

    Morrissey

     

     

     

    ‘Most’ of the shareholders or a ‘good few’ of the shareholders?

  19. Hamiltontim

     

    15:11 on

     

    19 November, 2014

     

     

    This is the timeline of stages

     

     

    This is the final report. The footnote on page 5 makes it clear we (and Rangers) had issues with it. Those reservations are mentioned again elsewhere I think. Too busy to check again just now.

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