John McGinn is worth the £4m Hibs want for him. If he was under contract at Celtic, we would not sell him for anything less. But his sale price will be determined by the number of potential buyers in the market and where the player wants to move to, not his inherent utility as a football player. These factors set his price.
I would not be surprised if Peter Lawwell had the the words “171 days” marked on a whiteboard in his office. That’s how long he will need to wait to put a pre-contract in front of McGinn. Having signed such a deal, the player’s value would be no more than £250k, a drop of £3.75m over the period, reducing at just shy of £22k a day.
You know Peter, it’s not going to happen. He’ll wait. John will wait too, and the people at Hibs will continue to murmur about Rod Petrie. I like signing players on pre-contracts. In the Celtic universe, it makes the world spin a little faster.
Stick at it, John. Give Hibs your best between now and January.
I’m reluctant to touch the Kieran Tierney “story”. By all reports, Celtic’s very firm reaction has convinced Everton to look elsewhere, but I’ll be pleased when the English Premier League transfer window closes in four weeks. Killing a transfer is an art, not a science.
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Arrivederci President Trump.
Hopefully you visit Ireland soon.
The creator of employment, defender of the poor, the disenfranchised and the unborn children.
9,000 protesters indeed.
A quick scan of thon squad – very few poor people, downtrodden or immigrants amid them.
Just yer usual middle class, leftist, politically correct, pink/purple headed lecturers.
Their fault, the reason why Donald Trump is President of the US.
Ironic, is it not?
HH.
16 Roads
Now! Now!
Not all of those 9,000 people were Russian, surely.
P.S. Enjoying a late night drink in NY- watched the CL game last week in The Parlor. Hope to get to Foley’s in the next 2 days. Back at CP for the return leg, I hope
Before any emails are hammered oot ae keyboard’s and sent in the direction of Mr Paul67, the following post is not from KEVJUNGLE, its from a humble lurker, that is all. HH
Looks like ould Mr Apathy sucked 50,000 of the faithful oot thur seats yisterday.
Don’t be sayin yeez wurny telt.
A lucky bag game, and there’s Broony getting involved in corner shoap spats, who widda funk it.
Guid goals, aginst a team like the wans that £49 Rangers played on the journey.
Ye see, Murray mibbery killed Scoattish fitba.
Celtic PLC looked the ither wye, as a gang ae goulish grave robbers cobbled bits ae the dying – but, undied huns the gither, in the hope ae gittin anither, mibbee five years ae old firm gemmes and 53,000 season tickets courtesy of Brendan the pub team skelping, same club lie fudge / squirrel.
That PLC plan should haud oot, for as long as the EPL giants who covet the gifts of, Brendan the pub team skelping, same club lie fudge / squirrel, can be kept at bay, right ?
Aye !
“…..and the coo jumped over the moon. ” CSC
The ghost of Kev – Jungle.
…….oot.
Singed – A humble lurker, good luck Kevin.
Jeez how sad H H Hebcelt
GoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooD Morning
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GetupyouLazygits
One of the apathetic 50k yesterday, no time for glorified training
sessions, looking forward Wednesday hopefully see a few goal’s.
I backed France too win the WC,have resisted the bookies offer to
cash out hope I don’t regret it.
16 Roads I was proud to be one of the many thousands who were in George Square on Friday protesting against Trump. He’s about as welcome as a fart in a space suit. Hh
Luxcelt
Thought Christian Luyindama had a decent game for Standard Liége, he certainly was fairly prominent in their team, but we played well and there was not much he could do to change that. HH
Police still recording fans at a friendly yesterday but no videos available of a bigot march where a priest was attacked ..
One Scotland ???????
Good morning CQN from a not so warm Garngad
Pre season friendlys are important to get players match fit, so a good run out yesterday.
Whilst we have a good 22-25 players, some of them will not make our first team, I still think if Comperr is not going to cut the mustard we need an experienced centre back and a right back.
Hail Hail
D. :)
BT
That is a terrible strategy by the police. In any attempts towards improved relations with the Celtic Support, it is a massive blunder.
It really does seem as though they are trying to justify their presence and the accompanying payment from our Club.
JJ
SAINT STIVS on 14TH JULY 2018 7:53 PM
As we all know it is just a matter of time until McGinn completes his move. Final offer £2 million or we wait until January.
Petrie not only turning down money for Hibs but for St. Mirren as well.
McGinn will be a Celtic Player, only thing is will it be this window or in January.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
BT
Difficult for them to video the Orange Walk when they are all in it !!
Lennybhoy
Small-minded though it makes me, I would prefer the move to happen in January.
I would hope Petrie rather than Hibs is the target of any ill-feeling over the matter.
JJ
DAVID66 on 15TH JULY 2018 8:44 AM
Good morning CQN from a not so warm Garngad
Pre season friendlys are important to get players match fit, so a good run out yesterday.
Whilst we have a good 22-25 players, some of them will not make our first team, I still think if Comperr is not going to cut the mustard we need an experienced center back and a right back.
Not having a go here……………….. however, why don’t you think Comperr will cut it, BR turned Boyata int half decent CH, I will I’m sure work with the already experienced Comperr :-)
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16354366.kevin-mckenna-sneering-liberals-must-accept-the-rights-of-the-orange-marchers/?ref=mr&lp=3
What an awful prat – he makes no reference to what he sees as ‘good’ about the Orange Order, and actually ends up having a very nasty dig at the Catholic Church.
….wan hings fur shoooer…….
thums an’ aw thur sleekits ur
….. a spent farce…..
:)
Luxcelt
He was their best player by a long way. Had a good battle with Moussa. Strong and read the game well.
It was a good run out in the first half where we played with plenty of pace. I don’t know how far Standard Liege were in terms of pre season but they started pretty well. Ralston in second half got a bit of a roasting. All in all a great day out.
Kikinthenakas
???x2
In the interest of boredom I thought I would post a view discussed in the pub last night
All the people screaming and shouting about Trump !!
Where were you when the following heads of state visited the UK
China, Turkey, Zimbabwe, Saudia Arabia, South Africa, Qatar
All of the above countries (it could be argued) have a far worse attitude to the human race than Mr Trump
For what it’s worth – my own view on this is:
Mr Trump is a tosser however he is a lot better than most of the leaders of the countries listed above
I have no problem with people taking to the streets to show opposition to Trump – just make sure you do it for the rest
Liberal elite indeed
BTW – great start to the season (I know pre season only) but I am excited about this year- again
Hail Hail
67ECW
scullybhoy,
can you cut and paste that herald article on to here.
Sorry one other thing:
That wee prick Sadiq Khan I wonder if he would allow a giant ballon of Putin in a nappy if he visited the UK
You know the answer
67ECW
Jeanette Findlay’s excellent article
EIGHT days ago, as the Very Rev Thomas Canon White, the Parish Priest of St Mary’s and St Alphonsus, was speaking to his parishioners after Vigil Mass, they were subjected to a torrent of anti-Catholic abuse by the supporters of a passing Orange Walk.
The Orange Order subsequently said those who engaged in this contact weren’t marching. It had apparently escalated to a revolting incident in which Canon White was allegedly spat upon and had to fend off an attempted assault. The subsequent social media storm was followed, as night follows day, by increased interest from the mainstream media and condemnatory statements were made by a variety of politicians, including the First Minister.
But here is the thing, for those of us in the Catholic community in Scotland, particularly the working-class community (ie most of us), this incident, appalling as it was, was not surprising. We have grown up knowing that this happens and has happened in that particular parish on numerous occasions. This is part of our folk memory. This is not new. What is new is the extent to which this incident has triggered an outpouring of horrified utterances from politicians, journalists and sections of the public. It is almost as though, for the first time, they noticed that Scotland has a deeply-rooted problem with anti-Catholicism. Somehow, this undeniable fact had slipped by them, but now that it had been brought to their attention, they thought they should do something about it!
Unfortunately, doing something about it, has become a call for the state, at some level, to do something about it. An online petition was set up calling for Glasgow City Council to ban Orange marches and was signed by almost 80,000 people. I understand why each and every one of them has done so but I think they are wrong and I strongly disagree with them.
The petition itself will go nowhere, mainly because it is asking the council to do something that it legally cannot do. The powers they have are necessarily, in a democratic society, restricted. All decisions to ban or re-route a march must be proportionate to the purpose for which the decision is made – and, crucially must comply with Article 11 of the European Charter on Human Rights, which protects the right of freedom of assembly and association.
However, I do not disagree with the petitioners on legal grounds. Instead, my disagreement is in three parts. The first arises from a class analysis of society. I do not think that you change people’s minds by banning them or refusing them the normal rights of civil society. The Orange Order is a despicable organisation whose sole reason for existing is to be anti-Catholic. However, their assertion of the supremacy of their version of Christianity is not, actually, about religion at all – in the words of James Connolly: “The Orange Order wasn’t founded to safeguard religious freedom, but to deny religious freedom and it raised this religious question, not for religion, but to use religion in the interests of oppressive property rights of rack renting landlords and sweating capitalists.”
Those people who join it or follow its marches are, in the main, people whose class interests are the same as those of the majority of Catholics. Socialists and trade unionists therefore should be convincing them that their ingrained hatred of Catholics was nurtured by those whose interest lies in a divided working class.
My second reason is based on this observation; people react to being banned by becoming more intransigent. The Orange Order in Scotland has declined massively in the post-war years and was, at the last count, down to around 50,000. Instituting a blanket ban would create the best recruiting sergeant the Order could hope for. A perverse outcome indeed.
My third reason is based on a close observation of the late, unlamented, Offensive Behaviour Act. Any legislation enacted to restrict the right to march of the Orange Order would, almost certainly, be framed in such a way that it could be used against other groups. So those who signed this petition may find that their organisations would fall foul of it.
So, can we do nothing then? Well, we could start by applying the law as it stands and treat the Orange Order in the same way as every other organisation. It is the failure to do precisely that which is really at the root of this issue. I have to live with the fact that some people hate me because of my religion, but I don’t have to accept that the state gives them more rights. The fact that it has done so with little or no comment from politicians or journalists up until last weekend is really a much bigger problem.
Orange marches comprise about 60 per cent of all marches in Glasgow, yet their numbers are tiny compared to the trades’ union movement for instance. Glasgow City Council has the right, and could, restrict the number of marches and the routes they use in order to meet the needs of particular communities.
I bow to nobody in my condemnation of the Orange Order and all it stands for and nobody will be happier than me on the day they cease to exist, but until they do we have to accord them the same rights – not greater rights – than everyone else. Banning things may seem like a quick fix to the hate Catholics have faced since we arrived on these shores but it doesn’t work and it is a danger to us all. On the other hand, if our political leaders acknowledged and named the source of the hatred and consistently called it out for what it is, we might stand a chance of defeating it after all these years.
67ECW Theresa May looked and sounded very uncomfortable during her interview with Andrew Marr. H H Hebcelt
Brendan Rodgers and the art of improvement
Brendan Rodgers believes 95 per cent of players will improve in the right environment.
It was barely two years ago but so much has been crammed into the intervening period (two domestic trebles, two qualifications for the group phase of the Champions League and one undefeated domestic campaign) that Brendan Rodgers’ first match as Celtic manager already seems to belong to a sepia-tinted age. Ten of the players who took part in that debut – a shocking 1-0 defeat by Lincoln Red Imps in Gibraltar which prompted the tabloid heading Imps 1 Wimps 0 – are still at Parkhead and seven of them were in Armenia this week as Celtic began their Champions League qualifying marathon with a convincing 3-0 victory over Alashkert.
Supporters are prone to criticise individuals by claiming they’re not fit to wear the jersey. According to Rodgers, if players aren’t fit then they won’t have that opportunity. The squad he inherited from Ronny Deila has seen a sea change in attitude and aptitude that has made them almost unrecognisable
Rodgers sets the bar high for his players and he agreed that the performance in Yerevan this week was night and day compared to that inauspicious introduction in 2016. “And so it should be when you’re working over a bit of time with players, developing and improving,” he said. “We create an environment and a culture which is about improvement so you’d be disappointed if you went into that game and it wasn’t better than what it was then. “Considering it was a week earlier than [our first game] last year, the physicality of the team is what’s important at this time. “Back then it wasn’t really that. Then you add to that the football idea so I think, all in all, there has been improvement but there is still more work to do.”
Midfielder Lewis Morgan,newly arrived from St Mirren, mentioned on Thursday how impressed he had been by the physical condition of his new team-mates when they reported back for pre-season training last month but Rodgers would not tolerate any individual who turned up out of shape. “It wasn’t at the beginning,” he grinned. “Where the culture is now, our worst player this season in terms of the tests and measures we do was our best when I came in. “But that doesn’t happen overnight; you have to create it and cultivate it. I always say if you create an environment then 95 per cent of players will improve. Five per cent won’t but you don’t want them anyway. “So that is key – old school was you came back to get fit.
The message we say to these guys is you’ve got to come back fit and then we’ll add to that. “There’s no hiding place. You’ll see it on the pitch at the end. They come in and do a battery of tests and measures with the medical team and sports science team. “We analyse every part of their performance from taking their drinks and compliance with medical work and everything else. We’re asking the players to be the best they can be every day, not just when they want to and that’s looked at on a daily basis.” It was suggested that, while assessments on the ability of certain players could be compared to VAR, the bleep tests and body-fat percentages were more like goal-line technology in that one involves opinion while the other is strictly factual. “It gives you a good measure of where you’re at,” said Rodgers. “Sometimes the bleep test can be more mental than physical but it gives you a good gauge. “They are professional players, who have to go away and relax. You can enjoy yourself but, again, the beauty here for Lewis and guys who are new to it is to see that straight away you’re judged to a higher standard at the biggest clubs and you have to feel that on the very first day you walk in. “If you feel that and embrace it then you will improve. The players also know now that is they come in and they are two and a half kilos over what their best weight is then won’t train with the squad. It’s very simple; they can train but it won’t be with the first team. “So that means they’ve got to keep an eye on how they come back and we now have players coming back who have lost kilos and are in really good condition. “Football is science and art. For me, it’s an art but what you can’t deny is the science of the game is absolutely vital as is the fusion between both, especially when you play a technical game. If you play a high-level technical game and you’re not fit then the first thing that goes is your technique. In order to play with intensity and aggression you need to be super-fit.”
67ECW…Aye! Baddies are baddies…there’s not a lot of difference between one and the others…I remember when Daniel Ortega came…hero’s welcome. Look at him now. Protest one-protest them all…hypocrisy abounds! F them all!!!
BOURNESOUPRECIPE
Very good article from JF…
With rights come responsibilities. Article 11 confers no absolute right:
“Article 11 – Freedom of assembly and association
Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. This article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the State.”
ST Stivs. Here you are :
Kevin McKenna: Sneering liberals must accept the rights of the Orange marchers
Kevin McKenna
Orange walk
Orange walk
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AMIDST the echoes of a Catholic childhood in the West of Scotland, the clamour of orange parades still resonate. In vain you try to recall a sense of jeopardy as all those men and women, their faces hard as flint, marched past on feet that always seemed to be set at ten to two on a clock-face.
There was no jeopardy though, only fascination tinged with a slight unease from all those embroidered stories from uncles in whisky when Margaret Maria or Damian John were making their first holy communions.
In those hot summers there was a swagger about the Orangemen that seemed rooted in a confidence that comes from knowing your place in society and in the certainty that it was near the top of it. In the decades that have since passed that confidence has steadily evaporated and there is little certainty about anything. How could there be? The pillars that once upheld and reinforced their view of the world have crumbled and what remains is under siege.
READ MORE: Orange Order parades set to be re-routed from Catholic churches
The Conservative and Unionist Party in Scotland, once a citadel of intellects like Malcolm Rifkind, Michael Forsyth and George Younger, is now the preserve of an assortment of backwoodsmen whom you wouldn’t trust to return safely with the messages. The Church of Scotland is a mere husk of what it once was; susceptible to every passing populous whim and calling it ‘inclusiveness’. The factories and yards that once guaranteed well-paid employment and security of tenure have vanished and the once downtrodden Irish Catholic community has risen to a position of genuine influence in politics, media and the senior professions.
Orange Parades in 21st century West of Scotland are a shadow of what they once were. The Order, once a power in the land, now has little influence and its most faithful followers reside in some of Glasgow’s most deprived neighbourhoods. Where it once exuded self-confidence and poise, now there is only defiance and resentment. They have become marginalised and yet that which they hold dear still has a place in this modern Scotland of many cultures.
The assault carried out last Saturday on Canon Tom White and the verbal abuse of some members of his congregation in the east end of Glasgow marked the lowest point of the Orange Order in Scotland. It’s beyond dispute though, that none of the actual marchers were responsible for this and that these were the actions of less than a handful of those rag-tag watchers who walk alongside the parade. The Order was quick to condemn the assault and stated its desire to work with the police to identify the perpetrators. In recent years it has emphasised its non-sectarian nature. It exists merely to uphold the Protestant faith, loyalty to the crown and support for the Union.
Agenda by Susan Aitken: Glasgow intends to take a strong stance on marches
The condemnation of the attack has been universal and was followed by loud calls for all Orange parades in Glasgow to be banned. An on-line petition calling for an end to them has attracted 75,000 signatures. This attack shouldn’t have happened and the Orange Order now has a formidable task on its hand to ensure that it doesn’t fade into oblivion on the wings of public censure.
I get queasy though, when all the usual outriders of enlightened, diverse and multi-cultural Scotland start to assemble moral firing squads. At times like this some people get rather selective in their interpretation of what it means to be cosmopolitan and inclusive. I’m thinking of the sanctimony of dunces that comprise the swollen ranks of Scotland’s liberal elite who all pile in to condemn movements and traditions that don’t fit with their cosy, chi-chi agendas.
I suspect that many who signed the on-line petition banning Orange parades, even though they represent the inalienable right to march for the faith and the crown, will also be among those are never slow to condemn the Catholic Church for being too Catholic. This usually occurs when the Catholic Church seeks to uphold its belief in the sanctity of all human life and the nature of holy matrimony.
Fidelma Cook: Unless you’re a Catholic, you cannot imagine how deeply personal this is
The same people who condemn bullying and intimidation of women gleefully display photos on social media of female Orange marchers and cruelly mock their looks and their shape. These women simply wanted to have their big day out with family and friends – just like all of us who love our right-on political marches – only to see themselves humiliated by a dreadful posse of sneering liberals on social media.
The Catholic hierarchy, which has been vociferous in its condemnation of last week’s incident, really ought to be careful here. It’s fond of playing the victim card by portraying sporadic incidents like these as indicative of a pernicious, nationwide attack on their church. There are indeed pockets of anti-Catholicism here and there across Scotland but the damage this has caused the Church is as nothing compared with the decades of clerical sex abuse and subsequent attempts at cover-up by its own leaders and professional factotums. The enemy of the Catholic Church in Scotland isn’t the Orange Order, it’s the ranks of militant atheist humanists amongst our political classes. These people affect horror at last week’s assault in the knowledge that it will give them ammunition in their ultimate quest to make inclusive, enlightened and tolerant Scotland a Christian-free zone.
READ MORE: Orange Order parades set to be re-routed from Catholic churches
Let’s speak frankly here (and I do so as a committed supporter of an independent Scotland). We simply cannot, in a mature and diverse Scotland go around banning marches because we don’t like the look of them. We nationalists are no strangers to the odd urban peregrination and big displays of flag-waving. This weekend tens of thousands of us will also indulge our human right to be extremely rude about a visiting US president while a few hundred Scottish firms and their employees hope that their American clients turn a blind eye. The Orange Order though, is considered fair game because they’re a bit rough and unkempt and they don’t support the economy of Byres Road.
Instead of trying to exploit this crisis in the Orange Order, the Catholic hierarchy should be reaching out to them to seek an accommodation regarding the number of marches and some of their traditional routes. When the big push comes to outlaw all ‘unacceptable’ symbols of Christianity in Scotland these two will be the last defenders. We should both get to know each other a little better.”
HEBCELT on 15TH JULY 2018 10:33 AM
I didn’t see it – but I can imagine
67ECW
BSR
Some excellent points in that article.
Cheerio for now. Cycling calls.
JJ
WEEBOBBYCOLLINS on 15TH JULY 2018 10:49 AM
Poetic common sense – and I agree
67ECW
Big Joe from earlier, sorry I had to jump out.
I don’t know if Comperr will cut the mustard or not and I have every faith in Brendan nurturing and developing any player, but I think he is injury prone therefor I would cut losses and get rid or get someone in who can play more consistently. The same goes for Simonovic .
All my opinion of course.
Hail Hail
D. :)
67 EUROPEAN CUP WINNERS on 15TH JULY 2018 10:17 AM
Sorry one other thing:
That wee prick Sadiq Khan I wonder if he would allow a giant ballon of Putin in a nappy if he visited the UK
You know the answer
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I don’t, not really.
As an on-looker to the Trump visit and general hysterical reaction to him what is noticeable is the level of medium being used to criticise.
A giant balloon in a nappy. Much of what has been shown is in a similar level, vein even ? Is it pitched at such a level to attract adherents or detract ?
67ECW
The only people who should support Trump are Billionaires who don’t want to pay taxes, especially when those taxes are wasted paying for schools and hospitals for those losers that are too lazy to participate in the American Dream and pay for those things themselves .
Trump will keep his promises to them (The Elite, the real wealthy elite not the mythical liberal elite )
Trump has to keep his promises to them or he will be dumped.
Everything else is just a smokescreen
Sad to read such ignorance on here
WHATISTHESTARS
Dunno who said it first,but we get the politicians we deserve.
Which means we were all truly evil in a previous life,and are now paying the price.
In my 37 years as an eligible voter,I’ve never once voted for the winning side. But I’m pretty sure that nothing I’ve done merits me being landed with the politicians we have now.
https://youtu.be/3dYpJZAgTfg
New lights at CP
WHAT IS THE STARS
Shirley shum mishtake, he’s the Defender of The Poor:((((((
Brief highlights from yesterday. Pretty impressive,IMO. Current Belgian champions,couldnae lay a glove on us.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4SIx4N0Kh6g
Of course,pre-season games mean nothing-but that was encouraging.