Think of your grandfathers, or your great-grandfathers, of the prejudices many of them faced in life. Some would have fought in the wars, many lived without the educational opportunities that subsequently came (and has recently receded) and were openly excluded from certain professions and workplaces. It was often a harsh and poor existence. Celtic, was a proxy for how they interacted with the rest of Scotland.
Don’t ever believe things have not changed for the better, they have, a hundred-fold, to suggest otherwise does a disservice to the lives people lived. But still today, old spectres raise their heads. Nowhere more so than in football, with Celtic, which remains a proxy enemy for some who struggle to reconcile the modern ways with their inner demons.
For much of the last century, senior referees were recruited from the professional classes, classes that most Celtic fans found it difficult to get a foothold in. Doors were closed in banking, finance, public sector and corporate private sector management, as well as law (all but criminal work). Meritocracy Road is long and winding.
One consequence of all this was that top referees, drawn from a curated well, ran amok. When television cameras came, they recorded two games a week, with only the Scottish Cup Final broadcast live. The referee was the first and last arbiter, there was no analysis of events, not even by the media. It was a charter for prejudices to seep out, and how they did.
TV eventually brought embarrassment in some places. That business in the 90s, when Rangers were allowed to kick off when Celtic players were still celebrating a goal, John Doyle’s red card in the 70s, and so, so many penalty decisions. All we could do is suck it up.
If you offered any of our forefathers a chance for video supervision of referees, they would consider it the most important development that was possible to make to the game. While one referee can act like King Cnut holding back the green tide for 90 minutes, video supervision requires at least a tacit conspiracy, and conspiracies are harder to make and maintain than we commonly imagine.
I have no expectation that Video Assisted Referees, which come to Scottish football today, will finally level the playing field. Newco’s recent pressuring of officials shows how nuanced modern refereeing is. Still, for all of what the previous generations of Celtic fans lived through, for all the games illicitly lost, trophies denied, the innocuous fouls ignored, the penalties given and denied, VAR is welcome – a hundred-fold.
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another great kick off time for the semi
Incase we forget about this corrupt cabal.
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=835772980885985
Top Scottish whistler Steven McLean explained to waiting reporters that VAR was simple and very easy to operate. He said there were two buttons to use one red, and one blue.
Journo “ what happens when you press the red one”
McLean: “ it awards a penalty to Rainjurz “
Journo : “ what happens if you press the blue one “
McLean : “ it tells you to press the red button “
Paul67
Glad you have some confidence in the process – time will tell.
Game management is still in the hands of the Hun whistler.
On the topic of righting historical injustices, that article is a misrepresentation of Canute. He did not hold back the tide, nor did he think he could. He used his inability to hold back the tide to demonstrate the limit of his powers.
Might be a message in there for the powers that be.
🎶Oh! The Snash my father bore🎶
‘Think of your grandfathers, or your great-grandfathers, of the prejudices many of them faced in life. Some would have fought in the wars, many lived without the educational opportunities that subsequently came (and has recently receded) and were openly excluded from certain professions and workplaces. It was often a harsh and poor existence. Celtic, was a proxy for how they interacted with the rest of Scotland.’
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And it was not a coincidence that they would have no truck with Scottish nationalism.
BOURNESOUPRECIPE
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Fair enough Pablo.
I am going to make every effort to be open minded …
… and give “Video Assisting R@ngers” every possible benefit of the doubt.
Paul67
A straw poll, I’m sure would put you in with a minority of Celtic fans with that article.
VAR can amount in many of the contentious and discretionary decisions amount to just another opinion. I don’t see Celtic getting many of the in Scotland ? but can see decisions where we’ll lose out in a new way, but then I’m paranoid.
St Stivs – from last thread …
Thank you for link to video if Hearts player smirking away while telling the world openly how they plan to play foul not fair.
Sixth comment down from ‘Midori Mueller” said it all for me.
Ignore the actual article and put the unionist spin on one part of it. The great intellect strikes again.
The* them
I’m also sceptical. Part of me thinks it will not be to our benefit for officials to have an extra layer of influence over our games.
I suspect we’ll see a difference in interpretation of clear and obvious depending on whether it’s a decision that benefits or hurts us.
I don’t think there has to be a conspiracy between the match ref and the VAR ref, they could just do their own thing individually and be themselves. Which won’t work in our favour.
B2B….
I would go that little bit further with VAR
Vermin Assisting Rangers…
Paul 67
Our grandfather’s…… are still awaiting the same tap in that rolled across the line at Res12 or was it the profound reply the club gave as the NimmoSmith gave us the day iirc that our forefathers waited on…….alas they and all our grandparents can turn peacefully at their place of rest calm in the knowledge that the club
Will not openly object to referee cheating,I base this on the fact that from 1999-2011 92.01% of players who played where illegally registered.
Zero done .
Rubber earing the referee chat will be a dawdle.
CELTIC WILL DO NOTHING
So a big emotional pull on grandads journey
It is a journey of continuing advance and betterment.
of grandad.
Grandad would turn and ask,when doing his bit.and he has,
What are our club doing?
Emotional Granja is looking forward to Var.
And the farming of the same old prejudices reflecting their own self harm
Read the header playing hovis music Paul.
If the club don’t speak out what will be the point.
Handy for you bloggers tho eh
https://youtu.be/6KJGJRd8pGE
HH
Don’t think VAR will do us any favours, but…but it will
highlight any decisions that are debatable, and other people
rather than the Celtic diaspora can decide if “ we wuz robbed “
Personally I think we will do as we always do, keep winning
titles, cups, enhancing a Scuddish league that doesn’t deserve
us, oh and thrill the rest of world football how to support a
team ☘️🇮🇪
H H. Mick
Back to Basics- hearts player.
https://youtu.be/6KJGJRd8pGE
HH
Marspapa
Hope your enjoying your break :-))
Later
scullybhoy on 21st October 2022 12:39 pm
Bhoyjoebelfast on 21st October 2022 11:04 am
SCULLYBHOY:● Air : Hail glorious St. Patrick ●
In the war against rangers in the fight for the cup
Hail Jimmy McGrory put the Celts one up
Sure we’ve done it before and we’ll do it again
Hail Jimmy McGrory……Pride of Parkhead.
●● Scullybhoy nice read in page 59 todays Irish news..THAT FRIDAY FEELING with Andy Watters.●●
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Hail, Hail my friend. I will be going out for a wee coffee later, and I will look that article up. Hope you and the family are all well, especially the wee grandchildren. Got some bad news myself, but such is life. Anyway, the Celtic are playing the best football in decades, and I haven’t enjoyed watching them this much since the Jock Stein era (bar moments under Big Billy and St Martin).
Logging out now because the poster who openly admits to NOT supporting Celtic is intent on using a Celtic Blog to promote their political agenda.
In Ange we trust.
What is the longest time elapsed between an incident and the game being stopped through VAR?
And is that time added on at the end of the half as injury time?
Anyone know?
Celtic in October 2022
Just trawling through old Celtic vids as we all do, came
upon SCOTT BROWN 10 years with Celtic, my ghod how
that bhoy filled that shirt, became a legend, and I do
miss him, even though we have a great midfield now.
So begs the question, if a young Broonie was available
now, who would he replace ?
H H. Mick
SCULLYBHOY
Just back from Fortwilliam…mirror to collect.Grandweans are fine but more to the point…..how are you.You mentioned ‘bad news’.I will ask Sister Clare Crockett deceased,and awaiting beatification to aid you.
●Sister Clare Crockett born Derry●
AN DÚN on 21ST OCTOBER 2022 12:26 PM
I’m also sceptical. Part of me thinks it will not be to our benefit for officials to have an extra layer of influence over our games.
I suspect we’ll see a difference in interpretation of clear and obvious depending on whether it’s a decision that benefits or hurts us.
I don’t think there has to be a conspiracy between the match ref and the VAR ref, they could just do their own thing individually and be themselves. Which won’t work in our favour.
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Imho opinion it will be difficult for the huns to maintain the cheating against us with VAR.
Where are the financial results from Mordor?
Are the huns in black seriously going to try and cheat us out of the league so that their current incarnation of the huns get the champions league money next year?
MELBOURNE MICK
Yir a bad man wae that wan …. Mooy.
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Just a wee question for the history buffs on here.
How many Scots died at the battle of the Alamo
besides Crocket, Bowie etc .
Think there were hundreds.
OMG when is the Celtic gemme ???
🤣 H H. Mick
MARSAPA
And if Captain Callum was back ?
H H. Mick
Put me down as another who welcomes the introduction of VAR.
We’ll probably still get screwed over at times but at least it will be shown to everyone.
Though surprised they won’t have goal line technology.
MELBOURNE MICK
Oh your in a naughty mood today…. Get on the rid biddy and you tell me if broonie would fit in and for whom…. Him and callum with oriley or hetate.
Remind me not to get involved again
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Paul67
Interesting read. I hope you are right on VAR.
My concern is that tomorrow’s VAR guy is a ref next week and vice versa.
Can they be trusted not to cover up for their mates as the boot will be on the other foot next week?
VAR not to be trusted until independent refs are brought in to do it.
Dermott Gallagher might be available.
VAR actually terrifies me. I don’t believe a person with institutionalised bias will necessarily come to a conclusion that opposes that bias just because they have more time to consider. More likely, that person will use the time to mangle logic and develop some internal justification as to why their gut reaction was correct.
I suspect the “clear and obvious” subjective test will be creatively applied as to whether VAR pings the ref. Expect it to be used often when a Celtic player tugs a shirt at a corner, and less so for the opposite scenario.
If anyone thinks media scrutiny of refereeing performances or decisions will play a part, well I must have been watching/reading a different Scottish media to them over the past 20 years.
Melbourne Mick
The answer is 4
https://www.scotsman.com/news/how-scottish-piper-stole-show-alamo-2508623
VAR will eradicate wrong offside decisions thanks to the parallel lines that appear on the screen. There is no getting away from that.
Also, blatant hand balls, or non hand-balls will be more readily detected. For example, VAR would clearly have awarded Celtic a penalty and red-carded Josh Meekings of ICT in the Scottish Cup semi-final a few years ago and pathed the way for a treble for Ronny Deila.
In Leipzig, Celtic were wrongly awarded a penalty until VAR proved that the ball had hit the defender on the face.
VAR assistants will not be able to hide from blatant fouls in the box, or conversely, where the player has taken a dive. TV audiences will see the VAR footage.
There will obviously be occasions where var-checks will be open to interpretation, eg foul play or not foul play or hand-balls where the arm may or may not be in an unnatural position.
We can’t have everything, but I for one look forward to var bringing an end to blatant penalties being ignored and goals wrongly disallowed etc.
Bring on the Jambos.
MARSAPA
No debate, BROONIE for Callum or an other, that bhoy
would be sensational beside Matt and Happy feet lol.
Just my nonsense, I’m sure some body will come up with
a better mid field, probably Murdoch, Auld, and Hay.
What do they know 🤪
H H. MICK
MELBOURNE MICK
But 80% of the men who died at the Alamo in 1836 were Scots or of Scots descent – and all of them viewed it as a re-run of Bannockburn when free men stood against an oppressor.
https://www.scottishfield.co.uk/culture/scots-casualties-at-the-battle-of-the-alamo/
One more sleep till football tomorrow
Another stick to beat us. Another weapon in their armoury.
SFTB
Thank you for that we bit of research, I knew it would
instigate a wee bit of interest, now the biggest question ?
How many were Celtic supporters ?
Think I’ve got you stumped there. 🤣
H H. Mick
Mick
I sure John Wayne was a Tim 😁