After the failure to launch season ticket renewals at Ibrox in the wake of the Ramsdens Cup final last week, by Friday morning marketing staff, PR people, web designers and printers would all have been primed to press the button this morning, after the anticipated humbling of Dundee United in the Scottish Cup semi-final.
Things started to go wrong later Friday, when Dave King popped up with an intervention. King, who was a director of Original Rangers in the years up to and including their liquidation, appears intent on sending the Newco Rangers to an equally liquidated state. Should we erect a statue to this guy?
For those of you in doubt, his latest questions to Newco Rangers board are priceless:
“Does the board agree it is unfair to ask fans to buy season tickets before they consider the business review?”
No club in the country is asked to submit business plans to supporters before asking them to renew season tickets. What’s more, there is an assumption by King that spending plans should be expansive, exactly as they were at Original Rangers, when King & co presided over the club’s failure.
Newco’s (even newer) management should be allowed to match expenditure with income. This is the message that fans should be asked to back, the days of empire are over. Anyone who tries to undermine a breakeven strategy at Newco is practically ensuring another failure.
“Does the board agree that, given the present financial position of the club, it is appropriate to provide Ibrox Park and Murray Park as security against season ticket advances?”
This is an interesting one. King suggests Newco offers Ibrox up as security (Murray Park is largely irrelevant). If they are boxed into a corner and concede this one, those in a position to utilise that security, which in Dave King’s plan would be Dave King, would have an incentive to see Newco liquidated.
“Does the board agree that in the latter half of December 2013 it was in discussions to obtain finance that would be needed prior to the end of the current season?
“Does the board agree that in the latter half of December 2013 it provided public assurances to the fans that the club had sufficient cash to last until the end of the current season?”
King has been there before and will know more than most how financial forecasting works; there is a clue in the name, it’s forecasting. If a company seeks contingency borrowing for less than 5% of its expenditure (or 2 weeks costs), earlier projections could not have been that far off.
None of this matters right now. Newco’s manager failed to win two hugely important games and that is the prism through which fans will evaluate the performance of their club. King could accuse them of being responsible for his own role in Original Rangers liquidation and some would believe him.
Season ticket sales are the most fundamental aspect to the health and wellbeing of every Scottish football club. This is true even at Celtic, with or without Champions League revenue. Ticket sales will have a greater impact on Celtic’s season ahead than Champions League qualification.
Right now some hedge funds and the Easdales own Ibrox. Ideas of bully them into submission will fail, although it will be enormously entertaining. Go for it, Dave, we’re 100% behind you.
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Jude
I widnae know cause I don’t drink whisky. But if it’s a ltr, great price. Night night Timland.
Weefra HH supporting and praying for Wee Oscar.
time for a wee dram and a braw song …..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THWA_EzVNvA
I think the Celtic Park area is going to look braw BTW!!!!
pintaguinness
23:56 on 14 April, 2014
Originalsadiesbhoy
Airdrie Academy. I converted her wae my good looks charm personality and other stuff…….
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How can I get some of that ‘other stuff’? Greengairs is a bit of a misnomer. It should have been called Orangegairs :-))
Away to my pit
Thanks for the craic bhoys
Neu
Iain Anderson played that for me last week.
Theoriginalsadiesbhoy
Not any more
My 2 lassies entertained their gran and grandad with the Soldiers Song on the recorder
Product of a good Fife Education
Btw Paddy McCluskey stayed in Greengairs. Best penalty taker we ever haved
Roy
Marvellous old photographs.
Particularly the Sellic end.which was my stamping ground as a teenager.
I was there around that time,early `58 , for the first hun game after the 7-1 game,which we lost 1-0 to a Jimmy Miller goal.On exiting the ground we were greeted with a hail of bottles from the railway embankment.
Happy days.
Weefr
70cl Im afraid.
night pintaguiness…..braw ….
jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/
00:04 on
15 April, 2014
I think the Celtic Park area is going to look braw BTW!!!!
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the Celtic magic …….braw ….”and there,s more” ……….an awfy lot more to come …
braw
Hey Jude
well done Mr Anderson ……….there is hope for the BBC yet ! ……braw
A wee bit on FFP. How can you fine billionaires?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/news/10766475/Manchester-City-to-be-made-to-pay-a-high-price-for-spending-spree-under-Uefa-Financial-Fair-Play-rules.html
Auldheid @ 00:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4yBJIdB0oY
Auldheid, financial penalty would be ironic.
A transfer embargo seems more appropriate.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/10766368/Uefa-take-note-Unfit-owners-are-the-real-villains-of-modern-game.html
I love the history macjay and the ‘tinternet’ is brill for photos
http://t.co/VtH9IZKmCb
Welcome home Bhoys
jude2005 is neil lennon \o/
23:52 on 14 April, 2014
Can I Have
Its a good blended whisky for the money. For a good malt id go for Old Pulteney 12yr old. But you dont splash that abt btw. Some folks dont appreciate a good malt.
Appreciated HH
Morning,
Can I just say that the latest proposal from Dave King ranks amongst one of the funniest things I have ever heard.
Who, in their right mind, is going to give that man season ticket money in return for — eh — no season ticket?
Who goes into John Lewis or wherever and agrees to buy a bedroom suite but insists that between payment and delivery they receive a security over the title deeds to the store?
Who is guaranteeing a seat at Ibrox in return for the season ticket money received?
Barcabhoy’s post is spot on — the whole thing has me laughing like hell!
BRTH
Night all. Night wee Oscar my hero. God bless x
look at these geniuses
rangers fan views on scottish independence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A
Just in and reading back. Much of the singing came from the Celtic End (pre-Jungle) mid to late ’60s and often mimiced ‘pop’ tunes of the day.
Na Na Nana Na Hey Hey Glasgow Celtic!
This was a ’69 hit for Steam – Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye.
Goodnight Pop-Pickers CSC!
Prisms of Failure (copyright Paul67) are used to reflect light, in order to flip, invert, rotate, deviate or displace the moonbeam.
just like I imagined —– braw lads the two of them …
Barcabhoy’s post is spot on — the whole thing has me laughing like hell!
BRTH………….but come on lads Hunalacalamatus ……that takes brawness :)
“Cammy is walking about with a bear like a sore head.”
Fat Sally…..
….must stay!
pintaguinness
23:39 on 14 April, 2014
Theoriginalladiesbhoy
My wife’s fae Greengairs but we are Fifers now. Salt’nsauce
I have family from Greengairs, well Drumgray the Celtic end.
What’s the chances you would “meet” someone on CQN who would admit knowing Greengairs?
The first time the Celtic support sang YNWA en masse was on Saturday 1st February 1969 at a rain-soaked Celtic Park during a 5-0 demolition of Hearts in front of 37,000 spectators.
I had heard it sung in the early 60s but only in bars and on the supporters buses by individuals or little groups.
I went to every Celtic game from around 1965 and never heard it sung on the terraces until the Hearts game. I remember the feeling of awe as I heard it for the first time that day from the huddled masses sheltering under the roof of the west terracing. It was spine-tingling and I will never forget it.
Liverpool were definitely the first to sing it on the terraces. There is abslutely no question about that.
We still do it much better than them though, for what it’s worth.
GOLD COAST TOM
Hmmm…
1965?
Ya gloryhunter,ye!
FWIW,I doubt you’ll ever get a Scouser to agree that we sing it better. Every Scouser I’ve ever met thinks he is a great singer.
And a comedian.
I have been a CQN regular reader for years but never posted before ( IT not my strongpoint!) However just has to chip in my 2 bob’s worth re YNWA. I was a regular at Celtic Park from season 1960/61. The songs that were mainly heard on the terraces then were the likes of Sean South, Soldiers Song, The Celtic Song and especially Hail Glorious St Patrick. In those days we saw or heard very little from English football. It was after the 1966 World Cup which was televised live that the Celtic “choir” started mimicking and adapting songs that originated elsewhere. (We shall not be moved, We’ll be running Hampden with the Cup etc). We still then had our unique ones like The Holy Ground. I remember seeing around then a documentary about Liverpool (the city and the football club) Part of it showed the Kop in full voice including YNWA. At the time I was a bit annoyed as it gave the impression that no other club had backing like that. I was at the home game with Liverpool in the 1966 ECCW semi. I had a ticket for the Celtic End and on the way in I was offered an exchange for a centre stand ticket. I refused as I wanted to be with my mates in the choir. The singing that night was great but there was no way that we sung YNWA. Indeed if you read the Celtic Programme from that game there is an article that told about the singing from the Kop especially the famous Anfield anthem – YNWA. The first time I can recall YNWA ever been sung at a Celtic game was a few weeks later, the last game of the season at Fir Park. A few guys started singing it but were told to belt up by a surrounding fans including myself as we could not see why we should be singing another club’s song. Over the next few years YNWA became a sort of football anthem and was sung at many clubs although it faded out of popularity other than at Anfield and Celtic Park. In this part of the world it is associated exclusively with Liverpool. My young son once thought he would do me a favour and put YNWA on my mobile phone ring tone. However I got so fed up with people asking me if I was a Liverpool fan that I had to change it. Being a traditionalist I was not originally keen on YNWA being sung by Celtic fans but my father once told me that although it was not originally a Celtic anthem the words summed up being a Celtic Supporter so I have come to accept it. Apologies for the long ramble.
When I was12 or 13, my brother and I used to watch the games from “the girders” at the back of the west terracing (Celtic end).
There were diagonal iron girders criss-crossing in front of boarded-up windows and you could stand on the ledge or window sill and lean on the girders and watch the game from above the crowds of heads. You could get 3 or even 4 boys up on one window ledge and for European and Rangers games, it was electric as you looked down on the swaying masses and, being under the old black roof, the noise was out of this world.
Great memories.
Mild Colonial Bhoy –
Excellent post mate. Great contribution to the subject matter.
Keep posting.
mild colonial bhoy
03:31 on 15 April, 2014
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Great post and welcome.
Im only 28 so love hearing stories from the 60/70/80’s .
Keep posting and sharing the memories.
BMCUW –
I started going to games with my dad in 1961. It was only in 65 that I started going to every game.
I was too young to really understand but believe me, I saw the suffereing of my father and uncle as Celtic supporters between 61 and 65.
MILD COLONIAL BHOY
Great first post,bud!
I remember some of the old classics too,and I miss many of them.
Sadly,I think a fair few would fall foul of the law nowadays. And of the “we’re not an Irish/Catholic/political club,why are you singing that?!” brigade.
Bring back the 60s songbook!
GOLD COAST TOM
Trust me,mate. I was kidding-and envious!
I started in 68,and my Dad still regales me wi horror stories of the years of failure.
Starting when we did,we were spoiled by success. Which made the early 90s a lot more difficult to take.
Apropos nothing in particular, but loosely connected with attending games in the 60s.
Early 1966 I took my then girl friend to a mid week game.
Not wishing to expose her to the vagaries of the terracing, we went into the enclosure just behind the dug out.
She got really excited when the players were kicking the ball around in the pre match warm up, such as it was in those days.
When I asked why she was excited even before the kick off she replied
“Look at the size of Yogi’s thighs.”
Despite that dubious night we have survived to this day.
BMCUW –
I knew you were jesting :-)
And you’re right. Having been brought up through the Stein era did make the 90s hard to take, but the pre-Stein years were much worse as Rangers ruled from on high and the Celtic support were humiliated regularly.
If you know the history………
9 minutes and 59 seconds of the best Celtic goals, celebrations, moments – you name it, they’re all in there from the last six decades. Put together by a supporter with a mini-soundtrack to die for.
Step forward moravcik67a – almost 137,000 views of this fine piece of Celtic cinema. That’s almost the same number of people as turned out at Hampden to watch Celtic beat Leeds in the European Cup semi-final in 1970. Well played sir!
…….c&p from the excellent The Shamrock website:
http://theshamrockglasgow.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/a-short-video-all-things-celtic-classic-celtic-footage-on-youtube/
Enjoy!
HH
Neil Lennon & McCartney
I’ve watched that video a few times and could watch it many more. There’s a lot of great moments in there – seeing TB always brings a tear to my eye – but the best bit might be Ronnie Simpson in the European Cup Final backheeling the ball to Tommy Gemmell (?) with the Inter centre forward bearing down on him. We were so good that day and the skill and composure shown by Ronnie, really summed up our dominance over what was regarded as Europe’s finest team.