After the failure to launch season ticket renewals at Ibrox in the wake of the Ramsdens Cup final last week, by Friday morning marketing staff, PR people, web designers and printers would all have been primed to press the button this morning, after the anticipated humbling of Dundee United in the Scottish Cup semi-final.
Things started to go wrong later Friday, when Dave King popped up with an intervention. King, who was a director of Original Rangers in the years up to and including their liquidation, appears intent on sending the Newco Rangers to an equally liquidated state. Should we erect a statue to this guy?
For those of you in doubt, his latest questions to Newco Rangers board are priceless:
“Does the board agree it is unfair to ask fans to buy season tickets before they consider the business review?”
No club in the country is asked to submit business plans to supporters before asking them to renew season tickets. What’s more, there is an assumption by King that spending plans should be expansive, exactly as they were at Original Rangers, when King & co presided over the club’s failure.
Newco’s (even newer) management should be allowed to match expenditure with income. This is the message that fans should be asked to back, the days of empire are over. Anyone who tries to undermine a breakeven strategy at Newco is practically ensuring another failure.
“Does the board agree that, given the present financial position of the club, it is appropriate to provide Ibrox Park and Murray Park as security against season ticket advances?”
This is an interesting one. King suggests Newco offers Ibrox up as security (Murray Park is largely irrelevant). If they are boxed into a corner and concede this one, those in a position to utilise that security, which in Dave King’s plan would be Dave King, would have an incentive to see Newco liquidated.
“Does the board agree that in the latter half of December 2013 it was in discussions to obtain finance that would be needed prior to the end of the current season?
“Does the board agree that in the latter half of December 2013 it provided public assurances to the fans that the club had sufficient cash to last until the end of the current season?”
King has been there before and will know more than most how financial forecasting works; there is a clue in the name, it’s forecasting. If a company seeks contingency borrowing for less than 5% of its expenditure (or 2 weeks costs), earlier projections could not have been that far off.
None of this matters right now. Newco’s manager failed to win two hugely important games and that is the prism through which fans will evaluate the performance of their club. King could accuse them of being responsible for his own role in Original Rangers liquidation and some would believe him.
Season ticket sales are the most fundamental aspect to the health and wellbeing of every Scottish football club. This is true even at Celtic, with or without Champions League revenue. Ticket sales will have a greater impact on Celtic’s season ahead than Champions League qualification.
Right now some hedge funds and the Easdales own Ibrox. Ideas of bully them into submission will fail, although it will be enormously entertaining. Go for it, Dave, we’re 100% behind you.
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A decent programme but BT should have done some research before letting the writer guy give his ‘definitive’ account on when ynwa started with us.
It most certainly wasnt the Leeds game in 70, although great rendition that night. Anfield 66 yes, but my old man swears he heard it at CP around 63-64 when it was in the charts.
I think my fav one was after the final whistle in Seville, tears and all.
HH
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/has-sevco-sent-legal-letters-to-dave-king-and-richard-gough/#more-4548
bsr
For you from 12.59
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkLRZzukcJc
For info only……….Tesco are doing a ltr of Bacardi for £15. Probably till the easter holiday is over. They did the same at xmas, but all ltrs were the same price. Sorry didn’t check whisky price as I don’t drink it. Hey-ho. :-)))
Weefra HH supporting and praying for Wee Oscar.
Right
Lamb patrol. :-))
Weefra HH supporting and praying for Wee Oscar.
squire danaher
22:59 on 14 April, 2014
Re YNWA documentary
Some clown on camera saying we never sang it until Leeds 1970
Earlier on we have various faces saying we sang it at Liverpool 1966 CWC SF
Disappointing programme as expected
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That made me mad. We sang it well before that but my first memory of it was before our game against AC Milan in 1969. I can’t remember us doing it earlier.
I remember Peter Schmeical (sp) saying that he presented a programme on English football in Denmark. The introduction showed the Liverpool fans singing YNWA but Schmeical said that although it was Liverpool fans in the picture it was a recording of the Celtic fans singing. Schmeical said that the producers felt that the Celtic supporters sang it best.
Pintaguinness/Marrakesh, the 1970 guy was a fudd trying to be definitive.
Wife also pointed out that the makers made it look as if Pool invented singing at games as if no-one else did.
Ps. If you were in the jungle in the early 80’s Pinta you probably owe me a pair of Sambas as youse older guys couldn’t hold yir bladders! :-)
See when you post something and no one responds makes you feel as if you are talking to yourself
Pints. In a huff!
Pintaguiness
Your spot on. New Jungle roof was built in 66. Before that it was actually the pits, stinking of piss and the roof leaking. All the singing kicked off in the Celtic end until well into the 70s. I stood up the back directly behind the goal from about 70-73, mostly teenagers but also a couple of gangs ( Cumbie and Shamrock but could be wrong) They started the songs, and the odd battle. I moved to the Jungle when it became noisier and a better atmosphere.
Art of war
Holding it was a skill
YNWA…
My first recollection of the Celtic supporters singing YNWA was at Celtic Park at a league game against Hearts in February 1969.
I was in the middle of the jungle that day and the song was taken up by the supporters in the Celtic end.
We were due to play AC Milan in the quarter finals of the European Cup shortly thereafter and there was an Italian film crew wading about the jungle.
pintaguiness…I was at Liverpool too in 1966 and YNWA was indeed played over the tannoy and sang by the Kop (I don’t recall the Celtic supporters joining in though).
I also don’t recall it either being played over the tannoy at Celtic Park or indeed sung by the Celtic supporters during the Lisbon season or the following season.for thst matter.
Just my recollection though.
PintaGuiness, I know the feeling, we all do:-)
I read the post, but had nothing to add, it was interesting to read, as it was before my time.
Marrakech
It was easterhouse drummy and GYT
When I started going, 1965, singers were in the celtic end with all the banging on the back of it. Then they moved to the jungle.
I can definitely remember ynwa before the Leeds games.
pintaguiness. I am ages with you and heartily concur with what you say about the Celtic end of which I was a proud member since going to the games with my da as a wean.
Indeed I only started going into the Jungle in the 70’s when I became pally with a bunch of guys who were regulars there.
Still never got used to watching the games from the side of the pitch though.
pintaguinness 23:05 – That’s a more credible story than the trumpet on TV came away with.
pintaguinness 23:15 – that’s a new one on me. My “jungle days” started in 1976 and I loved the place – wouldn’t go anywhere else. I didn’t realise the choir had migrated ha ha
marrakesh 23:17 – IMO the Celtic side of the production looked a bit of an afterthought – not surprised at such basic errors
lct
Richard Gough thingyy???
Gordon
Thanks. Maybe wrong but my recollection
pintaguinness
23:15 on 14 April, 2014
There’s another fallasy bout the Jungle. Most of the “choir” were actually in the Celtic end prior to the Jungle getting New Cover. The Jungle would only belt out “Hail Hail” to the jeers of the Celtic end. Once the Jungle had a new Cover then the “choir” migrated there
Suppose you would have to be around 60, like me, to know this stuff, but it’s the truth
But, nobody sings YNWA like a Tim
I thank you
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I agree with you. About 20 or 30 of us from St. Pat’s, Coatbridge used to meet up in the Celtic End. We called it the Choir. It had the best atmosphere and non stop singing. Like you we went to the Jungle when it got it’s new roof.
WeeTim
Lidls Queen Margot 8yr blended is no bad at £12 btw.
Theoriginalladiesbhoy
My wife’s fae Greengairs but we are Fifers now. Salt’nsauce
Pintaguinness- I could balance on 2 cans…..until we scored. :-)
One of my mates used to wear penny blacks when we stood in the Celtic End….he lasted one game in the jungle before switching to docs…hehe
Pintaguiness………..braw memories …….and thank you for them ……am guessing a lot of us on here forget we are standing on the shoulders of giants …………we forget how lucky we are to be what we are ,and in whose shadows we walk ….it is always a grand time to be in the Celtic family ….
braw
Pinta
I definitely heard ‘Shamrock ya bass’ a couple of times up there.
Im thinking now that the Cumbie stood at the Pope’s corner. Masty or Tony Donnelly where probably in it so they’ll keep me right.
jude2005 is neil lennon \o/
23:38 on 14 April, 2014
WeeTim
Lidls Queen Margot 8yr blended is no bad at £12 btw.
No a whiskey drinker myself, but would you recommend fir the raspberry buds first communion?
One of. My mates used to smoke roll ups. He’d just get there and complete the roll and. GOAL! And off went his Baccy and he’d start again
He gave up eventually
We scored a lot in that days
Art of war
I used to stand on two beer cans till I was about 9 or 10. They must’ve been made of cast iron in those days. Cans nowadays wouldnt take the weight of a fag paper.
RFC is no more. The Old Firm is alive and well.
http://t.co/zxzBI4AMD3
Half roof going over the Celtic end in 1957
HH
Ah wid be Happy tae See..
Sammi , Kayal n Derk..leave in the Summer..
Besides, Sammi wiz only worth Keepin’…fur the C.L. games..n..
Noo that The C.L. Bhoys hiv Tumbled tae That… n they wull mark him ootae every C.L. Game ,that he plays in.. frum noo oan…
Sammi’s “Raison D’Etre.. has gone up in Smoke…
So, Ah’m Afraid it hiz tae be…
Good Bye.. Sammi..
Those Three guys wullnae Be Missed..
But..
Ah widnae like tae see
Eethur.. Amido or Pukki go over the hill, with ’em
Amido, is a Guy that Ah like aloater. He has bags o’ Potential.
Amido, jist needs a wee bit mair Nursemaidin’… that’s awe.
same wi.
Pukki,
Pukki, has talent. He jist needs Neil tae Gie him mair Starts.
Pukki, wull blossom intae a Great Wee Player .
Neil ,should Bring in..
McKay Stevens..
as Boeriggter’s Replacement..
This Kid wid be a Far Bettah Investment.. than Derk turned oot tae be.
Before Ah went Lookin fur anither Striker..
Ah wid. Promote..
Denny Johnstone, tae the First team. Gie Him the Next Five Games..Neil.. Ah Double Dare ye!
tae see how He Fits..
Ah am confident that this Kid.. Has all the Tools that a First Class Striker Needs.
He is another… Tony Watt..
But,withoot the Psychological Hing ups…
Ah like Denny.. Hiv watched him..
IMPROVE n IMPROVE.. as he Growed Aulder.
that’s whit Ah like tae see..
a Youngster who. well…. Jist..
IMPROVES n IMPROVES.
Kojo
Still,Laughin’
My da said he remembers it being sung pre Liverpool game and he and his pals sang it….also remember New York New York being sang in the jungle as it was played at the end go games as we were streaming out….
Kikinthenakas
pintaguinness
23:39 on 14 April, 2014
Theoriginalladiesbhoy
My wife’s fae Greengairs but we are Fifers now. Salt’nsauce
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There was a beautiful girl from Greengairs in my year at St. Pat’s.
Can I Have
Its a good blended whisky for the money. For a good malt id go for Old Pulteney 12yr old. But you dont splash that abt btw. Some folks dont appreciate a good malt.
http://t.co/mYhkoDJfyK
The Old frontage
HH
Marrakesh- totally agree. Although I was a bit lighter then. My pal at school had a big sister – Linda – who was one of the Tennents Lager Lovelies. We used to joke that we were ‘jumping own his sister’ which he wisnae happy about!
Used to be a queue at his door to see if he wiz coming out for a kickabout…. All in the vain hope of a wee look…
Geez I’m feeling ancient.
Originalsadiesbhoy
Airdrie Academy. I converted her wae my good looks charm personality and other stuff…….
YNWA at the Leeds Hampden game was awesome!!!!!!
Gotta Scram, Sam
Seeya
Kojo
Still,Laughin’