After the failure to launch season ticket renewals at Ibrox in the wake of the Ramsdens Cup final last week, by Friday morning marketing staff, PR people, web designers and printers would all have been primed to press the button this morning, after the anticipated humbling of Dundee United in the Scottish Cup semi-final.
Things started to go wrong later Friday, when Dave King popped up with an intervention. King, who was a director of Original Rangers in the years up to and including their liquidation, appears intent on sending the Newco Rangers to an equally liquidated state. Should we erect a statue to this guy?
For those of you in doubt, his latest questions to Newco Rangers board are priceless:
“Does the board agree it is unfair to ask fans to buy season tickets before they consider the business review?”
No club in the country is asked to submit business plans to supporters before asking them to renew season tickets. What’s more, there is an assumption by King that spending plans should be expansive, exactly as they were at Original Rangers, when King & co presided over the club’s failure.
Newco’s (even newer) management should be allowed to match expenditure with income. This is the message that fans should be asked to back, the days of empire are over. Anyone who tries to undermine a breakeven strategy at Newco is practically ensuring another failure.
“Does the board agree that, given the present financial position of the club, it is appropriate to provide Ibrox Park and Murray Park as security against season ticket advances?”
This is an interesting one. King suggests Newco offers Ibrox up as security (Murray Park is largely irrelevant). If they are boxed into a corner and concede this one, those in a position to utilise that security, which in Dave King’s plan would be Dave King, would have an incentive to see Newco liquidated.
“Does the board agree that in the latter half of December 2013 it was in discussions to obtain finance that would be needed prior to the end of the current season?
“Does the board agree that in the latter half of December 2013 it provided public assurances to the fans that the club had sufficient cash to last until the end of the current season?”
King has been there before and will know more than most how financial forecasting works; there is a clue in the name, it’s forecasting. If a company seeks contingency borrowing for less than 5% of its expenditure (or 2 weeks costs), earlier projections could not have been that far off.
None of this matters right now. Newco’s manager failed to win two hugely important games and that is the prism through which fans will evaluate the performance of their club. King could accuse them of being responsible for his own role in Original Rangers liquidation and some would believe him.
Season ticket sales are the most fundamental aspect to the health and wellbeing of every Scottish football club. This is true even at Celtic, with or without Champions League revenue. Ticket sales will have a greater impact on Celtic’s season ahead than Champions League qualification.
Right now some hedge funds and the Easdales own Ibrox. Ideas of bully them into submission will fail, although it will be enormously entertaining. Go for it, Dave, we’re 100% behind you.
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Good Morning,
Great debate on the songs of yesteryear and the habits of some when visiting Celtic Park,
The late Counsellor George Ryan ( St John Doyle ) and I had quite a few discussions about the idea of a real Celtic Choir like the ones that Gareth Malone coaches on the BBC.
We talked about a youth choir which forever changed as kids got older and new ones came in, and a senior choir which would sing “old” Celtic songs — like many of the folk songs mentioned that you used to hear on the terraces.
The idea was that you could actually go to hear concerts and the choir would have a place at Celtic Park on match days.
It never came to anything regrettably but the kind of songs that were mentioned were:
The Holy Ground
Hail Glorious St Patrick
The Wild Rover
The Merry Ploughboy ( Possibly )
We Shall not be moved
Those were the days my friends
No 1 we have Ronnie Simpson
Aye Aye Aye Aye — We are the Glasgow Celtic
Nah Nah Nah Nah, Nah Nah Nah Nah, Hey ay ay, Glasgow Celtic
Andy Andy Thom
When the ball hits the net and and its not Jorge Cadete its Di Canio
Walking in a Celtic Wonderland
You’ll Never Walk Alone
Oh Hampden in the Sun
The Fields of Athenrye
John Thompson Song
When the Celts Go Marching in
You just can’t get enough
Roll with it
You’re in my heart
And loads more that I have probably forgotten.
Remember the ’96 today and always. As I have said many times before, football, and supporting football, is meant to be fun and not about death, injury, grieving and policing and police cover ups.
The spirit that existed in Seville — that is what the name of the game should be — it’s why we wrote the book and collected all those mad and funny stories.
BRTH
Gold Coast Tom
06:50 on
15 April, 2014
The Holy Ground
Hail Glorious St Patrick
Faith of our Fathers
The Merry Ploughboy
Sean South
Hail Hail The Celts are Here
Oh Hampden in the Sun
We Shall Not be Moved
Just a few of the songs I heard every week supporting Celtic as a young lad.
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Tom
You forgot the “TING A LING A LING” Song………….
Paddy T
livibhoy – god bless wee oscar
09:30 on 15 April, 2014
and hamiltontim:
I was at Tynecastle in the Gorgie Road end when we sang American Pie, sun drenched day, we played in the yellow and green marking (the one that reminds me of a Prisoner’s uniform), Tommy Coyne scored that day, I was bit worse for wear but we strolled the game and at H-T we were in fine voice.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Just catching up on the trial of Oscar Pistorius.
The only way this guy’s getting off is if the jury are from Edinburgh.
brth
We are Sailing.
Lennybhoy…Supporting the DAM 5, Neil Lennon, Wee Oscar Knox, and CFC until I die
I’m pretty sure we lost 3-1 after being 1-0 up at half time.
I’m also pretty sue it rained later on.
The day Coyne scored a hat trick was the first game of the season and we were wearing the Hoops.
I could be wrong but it’s funny that sometimes even when we get defeated there is still some joy at the game. I think that is why most of us support Celtic. Winning is great but it’s about enjoying the day out as well.
LB
Not another songs debate! :-)
For those who haven’t scrolled back to last night, the debate started from the BTSport program and someone on it claimed, definitively, that it was at the Leeds 70 game that YNWA started to be sung by the Hoops support. I was hoping that the old-er bhoys would step forward and put that to bed……
…and didn’t they just!!!
Some smashing posts and memories of those days are now out there for us all to enjoy.
HH the Bhoys of the Old Brigade :-)
livibhoy – god bless wee oscar
09:50 on 15 April, 2014
I agree with you but there are rules and there are Club rules…and of course there are Member Club rules…:)
As I posted although there was no alcohol, the Bhoy that ran the Bus knew what we did, there were the usual suspects, me being one. He knew us not suggesting that hoopy doo or anybody else that travelled, he did not know the non-members.
Right, off to take the Wife’s Car to one of patbhoy1888’s places to get two back Tyres. Got a great deal just before Christmas on the front two. If you haven’t been I would recommend it. Even if you stay in the west, paying your fuel, you are still quids in and you get first class service.
Until we meet again…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Lennybhoy
You must have more ‘the worse for wear’ than you thought :-)
I’m certain that we ended up losing that day after leading at half time.
The half time sing song was brilliant and I remember distinctly the horrible mob at the opposite giving their vitriolic ditties an airing in response.
The disproportionate and heavy handed policing were a sign of times to come.
livibhoy – god bless wee oscar
10:04 on 15 April, 2014
Just caught your post, come to think of it you are right, my defence as I posted was I was worse for wear.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
hamiltontim is praying for oscar
10:06 on 15 April, 2014
As you and livibhoy point out I was worse for wear…and I am a tad older than you, just a tad, memory not so good these day…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
GCT,
I, too, remember that game. It was a cup game and whilst the crowd were serenading themselves, Rickson head the back into the game.
Don’t know who I was most angry with, the DJ or the crowd for not doing their job in roaring the team into the second half
YNWA should never carry over into game time.
Wild Colonial Boy,
Excellent inaugural post, raised the Antipodean standard by 59%. Keep it up! : > )
Lennybhoy…Supporting the DAM 5, Neil Lennon, Wee Oscar Knox, and CFC until I die
In my defence I was probably a youngster and have a great memory of that period. Once I hit about 16 my memory is probably as hazy as yours.
LB
quantum –
I think I am correct in saying it was Ricksen who got that goal at the start of the second half. It made it 1-1 and John Hartson scored the winner. I believe it was a Scottish Cup tie.
You’re in my heart, you’re in my soul
You wear the green, and white and gold
thomthethim –
Mate I didn’t see your comment until after I had posted mine. I was pretty sure it was a cup game.
Cheers for that.
LIVIBHOY 0912
That would be in the dark days of playing on a Sunday evening!
With nothing else on at that time,most pubs would show the match. As a result,alternative gatherings would take place at,for instance,the New Inn,and my favourite,The Cock Robin.
The latter had an older crew,the songs were something else. Scary pub if you weren’t a regular.
I once asked if anyone knew a mechanic,and got the reply-“Who do you want shot?”
And he was being serious…
The Spur and The Torch enjoyed a few conversations in The Jungle….
4 sleeps until the next Celtic game. COYBIG!
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS ………Praying for our WEE HERO!
It was a midweek game about 2 years ago mate.
It was played early for some reason I can;t remember what it was. I was working in Swindon for a few days.
LB
I remember during the last home game of the season in the 60s, towards the end the fans would sing . . .
We got Ronnie Simpson, number 1
We got Ronnie Simpson, number 1
We got Ronnie Simpson, number 1
We got the best team in the land.
All the way through the squad right up to . . .
We got Jock Stein, he’s our boss
and so on.
KEVJUNGLE
Where about in Fife do you live?
TT
gold coast tom
10:18 on 15 April, 2014
I remember during the last home game of the season in the 60s, towards the end the fans would sing . . .
We got Ronnie Simpson, number 1
We got Ronnie Simpson, number 1
We got Ronnie Simpson, number 1
We got the best team in the land.
All the way through the squad right up to . . .
We got Jock Stein, he’s our boss
and so on.
………………………………..
We got the best team in the land.
livibhoy – god bless wee oscar
10:17 on 15 April, 2014
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS ………Praying for our WEE HERO!
It was a midweek game about 2 years ago mate.
It was played early for some reason I can;t remember what it was. I was working in Swindon for a few days.
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Away to St Johnstone?
If so it was played earlier as the game was scheduled to be televised but it coincided with CL games.
Consequently we kicked off around 6pm.
Ps you remember the game being halted after a few minutes because balls were kicked into the stadium from the car park to highlight the lack of thought for travelling supporters.
BALLS TO EARLY KICK OFF TIMES
Hamiltontim is praying for Oscar
Spot on. That was the game the baws were kicked into the ground.
LB
Frank Marker at 07.24,
My best walk on moment
4th Mar 1970
European Cup Quarter Final First Leg
Celtic 3-0 Fiorintina
no scarf clenched fist in the air
att put at 80,000
seemed like all of Celtic Park joined in
one of those moments
hail hail
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The clenched fist instead of scarves.
So much more poignant than scarves for me.
Great memories…we shall overcome :O).
cultsbhoy
12:37 on 14 April, 2014
Sorry, but I don’t understand how any decent human being would want them back ….. they are ‘hatred incarnate’, they really are…….. I cannot believe I have been fortunate enough to live to ‘see’ their demise…….
Gold Coast Tom
10:18 on 15 April, 2014
There’s a member of the Tommy Craig who still sings that at games.
Mild Colonial Bhoy & quantum
Welcome to the madhouse
Your free time will never be the same again though:)))
Hail Hail
In the mid to late 70’s our bus would park at the Celtic end.
There was a chip shop underneath the railway viaduct.
You would go through the tunnel under the railway line ,there was Graffiti on the wall.
The Torch Ya Bass.
TT
theoriginalsadiesbhoy
10:24 on 15 April, 2014
Are you me?…..we remember all the same things ….hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
67Heaven
You have not seen the demise of the people who perpetrate the hatred.
They are still there ,more bitter than ever.
TT
hamilton tim and co
regarding american pie and yellow seat covers as crucifixes. I bow to your less hazy recollections. I recall a photo in the hunday mail showing seat covers being thrown about the celtic end. A good laff anyway on both occassions. All we needed was a decent side.
a wee bit mental right enough.
Glad so many enjoyed my first post. To answer a couple of posters I am not from Coatbridge but went to senior secondary there. As I had many friends in the town I used various Supporters buses for away games- Kirkwood, Whifflet St Marys, Phil Coles, Yogis. Great experience travelling on those buses. At that time there were not many books about Celtic so we had an oral history. I learned about great players and games from the past not by reading about them but by listening to older family members and guys on the buses. It was not just football we learned about. Listening to the songs on the buses (which were a lot more varied than what was sung on the terraces) helped stimulate my interest in Irish history. I remember one midweek game at Pittodrie when a group of us from school went up in Phil Coles bus. Bobby Lennox scored the only goal and we were all in good humour on the way home. Most of the older guys had had a few bevvies so after a while started to kip. As we had no school the next day (Easter Holidays) we decided to have our own sing song. To make it more interesting we decided that the songs had to be in a chronological order. So we started with the likes of O’Donnell Abu and worked our way through the 98 rebellion, the Fenians, Easter Rising, War of Independence, Civil War etc with occasional discussion/argument about things like was Kevin Barry before The Boys of Kilmichael. Considering none of us actually did Irish History formally at school we must have be a naturally gifted lot!
I’m on leave this week and, with this lovely weather…….. I’m off oot….
2 memories have been evoked in me of the songs we used to sing. First off, we moved as a primary school from Salamanca Street to Springfield Road in 1961. Miss Brogan, who was the best teacher I ever had, demanded that we sing Hail Glorious Saint Patrick the way we did in Church and not like they did over there, nodding towards Celtic Park, whose big pylons could be seen through the windaes. We were 11. Second of all, I remember us singing “We’re all in a green submarine” at Tynecastle on a beautiful summer’s day at the beginning of season 66/67 of happy memory.
Ernie lynch 10.28
Would that be Jeemo?
TT
ernie lynch
I went to Ireland with the Tommy Craig bus for Pat Bonner or Mick McCarthy testimonial. Can;t remember which because I was at both games. One we stayed in Dublin and the other which I went on the Tommy Craig bus we stayed in Donegal in Letterkenny and got the Letterkenny CSC to the game in Dublin. That was a great trip. Great times.
LB