After the failure to launch season ticket renewals at Ibrox in the wake of the Ramsdens Cup final last week, by Friday morning marketing staff, PR people, web designers and printers would all have been primed to press the button this morning, after the anticipated humbling of Dundee United in the Scottish Cup semi-final.
Things started to go wrong later Friday, when Dave King popped up with an intervention. King, who was a director of Original Rangers in the years up to and including their liquidation, appears intent on sending the Newco Rangers to an equally liquidated state. Should we erect a statue to this guy?
For those of you in doubt, his latest questions to Newco Rangers board are priceless:
“Does the board agree it is unfair to ask fans to buy season tickets before they consider the business review?”
No club in the country is asked to submit business plans to supporters before asking them to renew season tickets. What’s more, there is an assumption by King that spending plans should be expansive, exactly as they were at Original Rangers, when King & co presided over the club’s failure.
Newco’s (even newer) management should be allowed to match expenditure with income. This is the message that fans should be asked to back, the days of empire are over. Anyone who tries to undermine a breakeven strategy at Newco is practically ensuring another failure.
“Does the board agree that, given the present financial position of the club, it is appropriate to provide Ibrox Park and Murray Park as security against season ticket advances?”
This is an interesting one. King suggests Newco offers Ibrox up as security (Murray Park is largely irrelevant). If they are boxed into a corner and concede this one, those in a position to utilise that security, which in Dave King’s plan would be Dave King, would have an incentive to see Newco liquidated.
“Does the board agree that in the latter half of December 2013 it was in discussions to obtain finance that would be needed prior to the end of the current season?
“Does the board agree that in the latter half of December 2013 it provided public assurances to the fans that the club had sufficient cash to last until the end of the current season?”
King has been there before and will know more than most how financial forecasting works; there is a clue in the name, it’s forecasting. If a company seeks contingency borrowing for less than 5% of its expenditure (or 2 weeks costs), earlier projections could not have been that far off.
None of this matters right now. Newco’s manager failed to win two hugely important games and that is the prism through which fans will evaluate the performance of their club. King could accuse them of being responsible for his own role in Original Rangers liquidation and some would believe him.
Season ticket sales are the most fundamental aspect to the health and wellbeing of every Scottish football club. This is true even at Celtic, with or without Champions League revenue. Ticket sales will have a greater impact on Celtic’s season ahead than Champions League qualification.
Right now some hedge funds and the Easdales own Ibrox. Ideas of bully them into submission will fail, although it will be enormously entertaining. Go for it, Dave, we’re 100% behind you.
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Pintaguiness
Were you on the park at Liverpool in 65?
My memory is very rare singing at CP in the early 60’s….not a lot to sing about.
HGSP ….oh send for McGrory the Pride of Parkhead. THG. FOUF.SSOG.
Mid 60’s we became more vocal….sang a lot of converted pop songs- We all live in a Green Submarine…..Ah Look At all the lonely people….+ a few new Republican Ballads.
BYE’BYE BAXTER. The Berwick Song.
Great times to be a TIM
Paddy T
Mild Colonial Bhoy
03:31 on
15 April, 2014…………….
your are braw …fantastic …my Dad is 91 and I love truth…beautiful thankyou …tonight has been pure …Pintaguiness ..Jude …and Free………….braw…
mncelt,
Yes, definitely worth watching over and over.
Faither was cool when the word cool meant “no hot”!
HH
Celtic is wonderful …deep breaths …a wee song for youse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5fBppsntAE
PaddyTurner
Ah! the Berwick song…..Mick McCue’s party piece.
Must have been a “standard” doon in Bo’ness.
Hail Hail
Teuchter ár lá
TAL
Is that John & Rose’s wean…..from Winchburgh
We also liked the Coronation Cup song….which I believe originated in your wee Village.
Johnnie was a fair wee chanter……
I started following the bhoys in the day’s of Mary Hopkins ” those were the days ” and would never have believed at the time, how accurate and foresighted that song was, well, until the Huns actually……..Died :-)
Teuchter ár lá
Paddy Turner- Correct. In early 60’s singing was not that common but it certainly did happen. As a young boy at the rangers end I can recall “On Erin’s Green Valleys” coming from the Celtic end. That all changed in 1965. Big Jock’s arrival brought real optimism. By that time I was a Celtic End regular with school mates. I think that at that time too there was a bit of a folk song revival and the songs of the Clancy Brothers and the Dubliners were popular with the vast majority of the Celtic support. That was when the Holy Ground became popular and even people who did not sing the actual song would shout out the refrain “Fine Girl You Are”. Later that season the Merry Ploughboy became popular. It was a sort of “theme song” for the 50th Anniversary of the Easter Rising. The first time I heard it was appropriately enough at Easter Road in April 1966. The best rendition of it was the following year at the league clincher at Ibrox. As the teams went off for the half time break the entire Celtic End stood rain soaked singing “we’re off to Dublin in the green, in the green”.
I always felt that when the bulk of the “choir” moved to the Jungle a few years later the singing was never as good. At the Celtic End the choir was not just younger guys like me. There were also older guys which meant the singing was not as high pitched. And also there was no hand clapping which tended to speed up the singing. In the Celtic End for example you would get at least 2 verses of Sean South. In the Jungle the song was speeded up and more high pitched and you were doing well to get one verse done. Or maybe I was just getting too old!!
Paddy
Aye, That was his folks…God rest them. Think they started or were founding members of the Club doon there.Mick’s been ma pal for nearly 50 years……and he’s still frae Bo’ness :-)
Coronation cup song was sung on the bus as long as I remember – there was a songwriter on our bus who penned the 4-0, puttin’ on the agony song, amongst others…..I’ll make a few enquiries next time home regarding the 1953 song.
Home for my ma’s 90th in August.
Hail Hail
Teuchter ár lá
Mild Colonial Bhoy
Now, Hampden Park was crowded and the fans began to roar
The Rangers fans were singing of the sash their father wore
but very soon they changed their tune
and the Celtic choir was set
When Lennox crossed to Billy McNeill
and the ball was in the net.
Funny you mentioned the Celtic Choir…….Eh!
M.C.B.
Celtic Wiki
Celtic reserves[edit]
In July 1957, Stein was given the job of coaching the Celtic reserve team.[1][23] His squad included a number of young players who would later play under him in the first team, including Billy McNeill, Bobby Murdoch and John Clark.[23] In his first season as a coach, Stein won the Reserve Cup with an 8–2 aggregate triumph over Rangers.[24] Despite this success, Stein felt he could not progress further at Celtic due to his Protestant faith;[24] Celtic had only previously appointed Catholics as manager.[17] It was later suggested that Stein was allowed to leave Celtic temporarily with the intention of later appointing him manager, but there was no evidence for this.[25]
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As a wee lad,I attended the reserve game at Ibrox which we won 5-2.
On the march back to the Govan ferry through bandit country we sang a succession of
“old favs.”
Up to the knees in orange blood etc.etc………………….
What will we do with the Glasgow Rangers……………..
Hail Hail ……Original version………..we don`t care what the animals say,what the hell do we care……………….
Aug.`62 Celtic end .After the World Cup of that year we started “Celtic cha cha cha” ie clap clap clap which we had ” borrowed ” from Brazil.
Sadly the hun had many opportunities to plagiarise it with Celtic ha ha ha..:-(
Believe me,there were lots and lots of singing and chants from those sadly unsuccessful days.There was a journalist,John Fairgrieve who,in his column made very complimentary reference to the Celtic choir.
Changed days indeed.Most peculiar ,mama.
Teuchter ar la- The version of “putting on the agony” I knew was about the 7-1 game. It was a big favourite on Phil Coles buses. When I first heard it though I thought it was about an imaginary game. In those days (early 60’s) I could not imagine Celtic beating Rangers never mind scoring 7!
Hail, hail from the Holy Land where it’s overcast, but warm (14C) in Jerusalem.
25C forecast …
FF
Got to hit the hay.
Mild Colonial Bhoy – Great to hear you…..Keep posting.
Night all
Teuchter
The Holy Ground
Hail Glorious St Patrick
Faith of our Fathers
The Merry Ploughboy
Sean South
Hail Hail The Celts are Here
Oh Hampden in the Sun
We Shall Not be Moved
Just a few of the songs I heard every week supporting Celtic as a young lad.
Teuchter ár lá
05:31 on
15 April, 2014
Paddy
Aye, That was his folks…God rest them. Think they started or were founding members of the Club doon there.Mick’s been ma pal for nearly 50 years……and he’s still frae Bo’ness :-)
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NOPE :- Club started way before them…….The originals were Bivens / Hempstead / Haggerty’s……..Early 1960’s…..most of my brothers & sisters (I was the youngest) were “made”, by my mother, to go on the bus…..to fill the seats & keep the funds up….it was a family thing.
I remember Michael (also his brother & sister)…..though he did spend most of his time in Winchburgh.
Last I saw of him was in the Winchburgh Chapel hall drinking den…….many moons ago.
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Coronation cup song was sung on the bus as long as I remember – there was a songwriter on our bus who penned the 4-0, puttin’ on the agony song, amongst others…..I’ll make a few enquiries next time home regarding the 1953 song.
Home for my ma’s 90th in August.
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I was TELT that it was a Winchburgh man that composed the Coronation Cup Song…..
Don’t tell me that I’ve been leeeeeeeeeeeed tae……
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Hail Hail
Teuchter ár lá
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Paddy T
Morning all just had a look back through the moon howler posts brining back so many memories …
GCT..03.23…
1st Feb 1969…OMG I was thirteen that very day!
Went to CP with my dad and his pal Jimmy and his daughter. They had a car and as it turned out Margaret would be my companion and minder attending CP for the next 3 years or so and to the jungle we would go.
Anyway on the journey to the game I boldly predicted a 5-0 victory to the Bhoys. Of course that’s what happened… cue the new teenager believing he had it all sussed and knew it all lol.
I remember it was a big crowd for those days, Jim Cruickshank in goal for Hearts and dry cold and sunny day. (The last dry sunny 1st Feb!!!) and Stevie Chalmers having a stormer i think.
Can’t say I particularly remember YNWA but then I was just too excited being there on what was maybe only my fifth or sixth visit to CP. I do recall Holy Ground and Merrie Ploughboy but mainly the unrestrained swearing lol.
It was from that date I attended CP every home game with Margaret who I found out only recently died last summer, may God rest her soul. Where did all those years go?
WCB…03.31
Enjoyed your post very much. I think at last you have managed to seal this long running debate. I am sure you are correct.
Another thing that came in around that time was rhythmic clapping followed by a big shout of ‘Celtic’. I remember a pal at school teaching us how to do it. Next game I was at I was all prepared but it turned out my rhythm was nothing like anybody else’s!!!
Finally and tin hat on…YNWA…is a great emotional anthem and it fits well wit our history…but…
It is more powerful when our times are hard and we’re in a ‘we shall overcome’ mode or as a tribute to a significant triumph or as we prepare for an epic battle ahead…
It does my head in when before a routine game or particularly just before the team comes back out at half time YNWA comes over the sound system grrrrrr. Just when you want some stirring lively tub thumping ditty you get…YNWA! It makes it feel like a dirge, which it isn’t. But it does need emotional context.
And while I’m on this soap box it is anyway played far,far too often IMO. Like having mince and tatties EVERY day.
Needed that off my chest…realise I’m probably the only one who thinks this!
HH
Great posts tonight bhoys, many thanks.
My own early memories of regularly getting taken along to games by my Dad & Uncles was to the back of the Celtic End….the right hand side as you looked down onto pitch.
This would be 70-71 onwards and even at that time there was a sizeable choir there….to our left, in the middle of the Celtic End.
For European Nights, those criss cross iron girders were a Godsend.
I stayed there until I was old enough to travel with my mates the Edinburgh & District bus where the Jungle was a must for a 14 year old.Happy days.
My best walk on moment
4th Mar 1970
European Cup Quarter Final First Leg
Celtic 3-0 Fiorintina
no scarf clenched fist in the air
att put at 80,000
seemed like all of Celtic Park joined in
one of those moments
hail hail
Good morning friends from a dry, clear skied and gloriously sunny though not yet warm East Kilbride
No meaning to annoy anybody but…..
Journalist : John Fairgrieve, once opined….”Talent like – Charlie Nicholas should leave Scotland and, his talent will flourish but, talent’s like – Davie Cooper and, Gordon Strachan, must be retained within the Scottish game.” – In his Sunday Mail column.
Best YNWA’s that I experienced were in the old, uncovered Celtic end at Hamdump and, the old uncovered Celtic end at ibrokes.
Except for the Jungle in the 4-2 gemme.
First celtic game attended was the 65 league cup final . My first memory of the Celtic support was the chant of “your animals” with hand movements .
No YNWA is those days though. I think that became popular first with Liverpool fans after the Gerry Mardsen hit.
Does anyone remember when we went through a short phase of whistling ‘the songs’ …round about 68/70…….?
Thinking of the 96 today.
Just ordinary fitba fans who went to a game and never came back.
God bless them.
YNWA
Glorious sunny morning in North Ayrshire, if a tad chilly
Gold Coast Tom.
Your Celtic timeline is identical to mine. Like you and Tully57 I loved going up on the diagonal girders for big games. You had to maybe under 5ft to fit in. Watched a few great games up there, Dukla was special, also beating the huns 3-1 in 70 SC quarters when Jinky ran riot. Great view of all the swaying bodies in the Celtic end. Just a magic time to grow up a Celtic fan, unlike my old man who told me they used to have a party in the Gorbals if they got a draw with the Huns in the 50s.
65 final v the origional rangers.
2-1 with two Yogi penaltys.
Rangers fan invade pitch and go for the Celtic players during lap of honour.
Laps of honour then banned.
02:34 on 15 April, 2014
pintaguinness
23:39 on 14 April, 2014
Theoriginalladiesbhoy
My wife’s fae Greengairs but we are Fifers now. Salt’nsauce
I have family from Greengairs, well Drumgray the Celtic end.
What’s the chances you would “meet” someone on CQN who would admit knowing Greengairs?
Gold Coast Tom
03:23 on 15 April, 2014
Liverpool were definitely the first to sing it on the terraces. There is abslutely no question about that.
We still do it much better than them though, for what it’s worth.
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Did you know that – LFC – asked Celtic’s permission to use the soundtrack of the Celtic fans singing, YNWA before the UEFA Cup tie at CP in 1997(Wim season) – on the official LFC video for the season 1997/98 as, in LFC’s opinion – Celtic fans version is better ?
Hail Hail
‘Show’s the deeds’ is back.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/john-brown-season-ticket-money-could-disappear-if-supporters-renew.23969115
Apologies – post at 8-02
should be…
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Gold Coast Tom
03:23 on 15 April, 2014
Liverpool were definitely the first to sing it on the terraces. There is abslutely no question about that.
We still do it much better than them though, for what it’s worth.
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Did you know that – LFC – asked Celtic’s permission to use the soundtrack of the Celtic fans singing, YNWA before the UEFA Cup tie at CP in 1997(Wim season) – on the official LFC video for the season 1997/98 as, in LFC’s opinion – Celtic fans version is better ?
Hail Hail
Paul 67
I’m sorry for breaking the blog
Off oot.
Morning all. Lovely down here again at the moment.
Another day laughing at the ongoing mess in Govan beckons one trusts…..Hmmmmm, as someone used to say on here.
I believe that YNWA was song by Man Utd fans after Munich .
Auchenhowie, seems to be coming a more popular name now these days, than Murray Park, strange eh?
Great posts from the moon howlers fair brightened up my train journey this am!
BMCUW – say sorry to your Dad we never got the chance of a blether he was leaving as we arrived … I’m sure it wasn’t planned :-)
Really interesting to read personal insights into what it was like to watch Celtic in the ’60s and the songs that were sung.
And here was me thinking that Rebel songs only started to be sung by the Celtic support in the last 10 years :-)
mild colonial bhoy
05:54 on 15 April, 2014
Teuchter ar la- The version of “putting on the agony” I knew was about the 7-1 game. It was a big favourite on Phil Coles buses. When I first heard it though I thought it was about an imaginary game. In those days (early 60′s) I could not imagine Celtic beating Rangers never mind scoring 7!
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I travelled on Phil Cole’s buses from 1965. You must be one of the many Coatbridge ghuys on CQN.