More evidence emerged today on how Rangers recompensed players through their Employee Benefit Trust (EBT) scheme in The Sun newspaper, who have a draft contract Rangers offered an unnamed player. The contract was a letter confirming a six figure payment as well as a £1200 per game appearance bonus.
An accountant told Sun reporters Paul Thornton and Ewing Grahame:
“I have been shown a contract of employment showing how much money players were going to get but also a back letter which I presume that individual has assumed is part of his salary. It seems like a contract.
“If the two documents are handed to someone together, is that seen as being his overall package? If the answer to that is yes then there is a problem because the money that goes into the trust really should be getting taxed because it is his salary.
“The fact it is there as a back letter at all suggests it is dodgy.”
Attention is obviously drawn to the potential criminal consequences of these tax arrangements but football fans throughout the country will be alarmed that Campbell Ogilvie, the man who was general secretary and director of Rangers when the EBT scheme started, is currently president of the SFA and would have been involved in scoping out the secret remit of the SFA inquiry into Rangers, which was asked to report within an incredibly quick two week period. Ogilvie is also one of the few men the inquiry will report to.
If the allegations in today’s Sun are accurate, Rangers have improperly registered football players for a period of around a decade. The penalty for playing an improperly registered footballer in any game is a 3-0 forfeit.
When the SFA president is in a position to confirm all of this, the association have all information they require to make a ruling on this, but despite these allegations being widely reported for many months, they have yet to even acknowledge there is anything to investigate.
Can you imagine the scrutiny the Football Association in England’s board and chief executive would be exposed to if this scandal was not being actioned?
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Paul 67
Not much, the lull before the storm me thinks.
How did you get on with your moral dilema btw ?
‘crushed nuts?’ ‘Naw, Layringitis!’ says:
26 February, 2012 at 22:17
stephbhoy says:
26 February, 2012 at 22:09
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy says:
26 February, 2012 at 21:15
oooooooooooooo
we don’t pay anything, the squad is the squad, how many of those players are on loan? how many are injured? ‘Limit the oppurtunity for our younger players’? What does that mean? Have players of a better quality than have been given first team oppurtunities this year been sidelined?
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what do you mean we dont pay? i do everytime a go to a game, buy a coffee/ tea burger, buy top, towel watch, go for a meal etc…
we will be contributing to loan players wages and most of the guys mentioned are not loaned out at present
we have a 19 year old rightback playing very well for kilmarnock, and we keep playing cha, the young guy well get better will cha?, how many squad players do we need?, i dont think we need 40, do you?
to my knowledge 1 player is injuried in loovens
jackie mac Whyte owns ibrox and training ground, he bought it for 1 pound as long as he paid the debts off, which of course he did( but used 50% of the next 3 years income to do it)
wish i had though of that, or wish any Celtic fan had thought of that, absolute magic, he is the biggest creditor
very funny
you could do film about it the sting 111 :)))
ST
Just spent the last few hours catching up on the posts from today and yesterday. Thought we missed Broony with Ki being less effective than he was on Wednesday. Good to see more fans attending, pretty busy behind the Big screen in the JSU, and for once I did not feel unervy in the last few minutes unlike previous close games at CP
Had a few drinks in the CSC in London road with the rest of the Port Glasgow Harp CSC, and finally got to meet the Vmhan, a good day allround
Hoping for more bad (Good for us) news around ayebrokes in the coming days, if todays revelations are fruitful.
Hail Hail
Patmcgrathtakesapenalty
Thank you for sharing your memories. To have a beautiful memory on a day like today means he was a special man.
HH
Just wondering,i once bought a cassette,from my first visit to Paradise when i was a kid.It was by the band The Wullie Malloy Experience.The Holy Ground was on the tape,along with Over & Over.There was also a powerful wee song called “It Had To Be Celtic”.That particular track was like a remix,an English commentator speaking about the triumph in Lisbon,he spoke those words – “It had to be Celtic.”
Can’t find that song anywhere,lent the tape out and never got it back fs!
We beat the huns 3-1 that day,Butcher scored a powerful header for us.
Anybody got any information about that EP,or where i could buy it on cd or mp3.
Absolute classic it is.
Hoop hoop Hooray says:
26 February, 2012 at 22:13
Brilliant! Musical post of the evening. In response and keeping the Zombies theme…
20 points clear….must be “The Time of The Season”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDYonGiCKZ0
It’s the time of the season
When the Huns run dry
In this time, give it to me easy
And let me try
With pleasured hands
To take you and the hun to
Liquidation lands
To show you every one
It’s the time of the season for dying
What’s your name?
Who’s your Sugar daddy?
Is he rich like me?
Has he taken
Any time
To show you what you need to survive?
Tell it to me slowly
Tell you what?
I really want to know
It’s the time of the season for dying
p.s. we need 2 quality players for every position i.e 22 first team players, by my reckoning we dont have 22 quality players so does it not make sense to reduce the squad numbers (unused/ under used players) by about 10-15 so we can afford another 3 quality players who will take our team up another gear?
Hail hail.Long time lurker,first time poster.The events of the past two weeks have inspired me to compile my own wee personal eulogy in memory of the demise and death (please God,in time for Easter)of the hated Hun.
This is dedicated to all those who have suffered at the hands of the bigots.I salute you all.
Brothers and Sisters,our day has come.Let us never forget the REAL reasons to why they had it coming to them.They are nothing less than a complete and utter disgrace to the good people of Glasgow,Scotland and Ireland and may they rot in hell.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND GOD BLESS CELTIC
In memory of Glasgow Rangers F.C 1873-2012
Chris Torey (Christo Rey?) @ 20.55,
Agree there are too many socialist simpletons on CQN, but they have as much right as anyone else, provided they respect others – which Oglach signally fails to do. No evidence that he’s a Socialist, tho – just anti-religious AND intolerant.
Paul67
It’s all extremely fluid.
MWD
Davie Haymaker says:
26 February, 2012 at 22:57
Welcome to CQN, and yur a hun, thought I would get the intro’s over :)
DUSHANBE BHILLY BHOY says:
26 February, 2012 at 22:54
How many more songs did Rod argent write about the huns goin bust :-)
Actually my favourite Colin Bluntstone song was ‘Wonderful’.
kinda describes my mood these days.
jackie mac, if Rangers lose they will be liable for HMRC’s costs, which will not be determined for some time.
EXILED TIM, really pleased the moral dilemma made it into the newspapers today.
Davie Haymaker, welcome.
MWD, fluid? As in liquid?
Am Ah the only wan.. who thought the Ki was
very much an Influential Presence in the Middy?
Kojo
Still Laughin’
Invercelt
Hardly respectful.
“Socialist Simpletons”.
Maybe you should take your own advice.
MWD
sannabhoy you flew past me yesterday leaving paradise a rush to get out the car park? hope you didn’t lead any of those poor bhoys astray?
Chris Torey,
Eyes Wide Open & 21.02 could well fit your earlier description.
RalphWaldoEllison-is Neil Lennon Season 2011-12 says:
26 February, 2012 at 16:51
Jack Regan, Oglach, St Michaels Bhoy
Jack, I had a wee moment when I read your earlier post about singing FOOF etc, because of your own addon about parents and family, almost all of whom are deceased.
That hymn is a Catholic hymn, but it is also so much more if you read the words and look at them from a secular perspective. At least, I can see so much more.
In these times od trial and tribulation for RFCIA, I too think of my parents and the indignities that they endured, the insults, the slights, the discrimination, all ofthat they dealt with and usually internalised so asnnot to take it out on those they loved. I think of my grandfather who was a Catholic foreman in the shipyards, when enforcing his position meant enduring sectarian epithets and fights in the bowels of the ship.
I don’t think that your comment about that hymn was inappropriate at all. We are a very broad church, we Celtic fans, and all of us are aware to a greater or lesser degree of the history and context of our club’s existence. Those fans who are not nor neverhave been Catholic are our brethren, and as such they will know of the sectarianism of which we speak. They will also know that when those of us who have had to endure what they themselves never had to endure, speak of our forbears and the pain that they endured because of their religion or their ethnicity, we are not celebrating either. We are simply reflecting on our feeling of sadness, loss and belated justice for our own loved ones. None of that should be confused with any thoughts that it somehow segregates Celtic fans. In fact, it is what unites us all and makes us so inclusive. We are against injustice and to deny the memory of the injustice to those who endured is to deny what Celtic stands for.
I do not believe that a non Catholic Celtic fan would object at all to any references to a hymn that was sung to help our forbears endure the hatred to which they were subjected. Now there may be some ex Catholics who twitch at the memories that hymn provokes, but for God’s sake, if you are one of these folks, let it be. Allow some people to derive some closure on painful recollections about their loved ones without accusing them of divisive behaviour.
All just my humble opinion of course. My wife and I often speak of how our parents and grandparents would feel such satisfaction, that their faith in themselves and their culture seems so much more vindicated in the light of the corruption, carnage and collapse at
RFCIA. I suppose that is the broader faith of my fathers, of which I am so proud.
HH to all Tims
RWE CSC
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Thank you for an excellent post so articulately and clearly expressed and which reflects my own views entirely but states them so much more clearly than I could.
am out of here
Paul67
I’m hoping not as I’m kinda enjoy death by a thousand daily cuts although things may become liquid in my BIG HOOS if my bladder canny keep up wae me peein myself laughin.
I did see the ole Hunday Mail did press your riddle. Backhander for selling club. No wonder ole Hero got shot of him. That was 400K he could have used to hide some other transactions.
Naughty! Naughty!
MWD
Didn’t pay any attention to the Orc’s game today but Miss Prestonpans noted, in the 10 mins she listened, a full song book of you know what.
Any comments from the media??
Sixteen roads to Golgotha says:
26 February, 2012 at 22:53
Try here
Wullie Malloy
Davie Haymaker……..Spot on……the guilty get punished in any civilised society ……. wonder what the punishment will be for the LL. / MIB etc
Fholks…..was just watching the game v murderwell, on C67, there……… any idea how Ican improve the picture quality, please….? Apart from rubbing jelly & cream on it…………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Goodnight bhoys.
Take care and god bless
HH
KTF
Or even here
http://www.discogs.com/Wullie-Malloy-ExperienceThe-The-Celtic-Centenary-EP/release/2326821
Paul,
I note your comments about the sfa investigation into affairs at Rangers. Bear in mind that I know nothing. Just speculating. But, forewarned and all that…..
I think the current sfa investigation focuses on the Rangers takeover only. Hence the short time frame. Given that scope, there really isn’t an issue with Campbell Ogilvie’s position. At this time.
It may come to pass that what is now suspicion may crystallize into fact surrounding a few issues.
1. It may be proven that Rangers were awarded a European license – on the say-so of the sfa – when in fact they did not meet the required criteria;
2. It may be proven that Rangers did not properly register certain players in compliance with SFA and SPL rules;
3. It may be proven that Craig Whyte took control of Rangers while not meeting the SFA criteria regarding the question of ‘fit and proper’.
Now, should any or all of these suspicions be proven as fact, then those who care, need to be prepared to push for a full, independent – and public – enquiry into the role and activities of the sfa.
If and when these suspicions become fact, then that will be the time to push for such an investigation. There is no case for such an investigation at this point. It is important to be prepared, as you know that kites and balloons will be flown in a sea of misinformation. Mixing metaphors there….
The questions that then MUST be asked of the SFA would include:
In supporting Rangers’ case for a license, did the SFA follow their standard procedures? If so, then clearly these procedures are meaningless and of no value.
Same thing with ensuring that players are properly registered.
On the question of Registrations, your concerns about conflict of interest will be pertinent. It will be argued (correctly) that no member of one club should see contracts relating to players of another club. However, for such a conflict to exist, one does not have to be able to prove wrong doing.
On the fit and proper issue, I really do wonder why football associations feel the need to worry about such things. Surely, what is important is the actions of the owner while they are the owner, rather than what kind person they may have been in other walks of life?
For example, if an owner behaves legally and honourably while he is the owner, then who cares who they are? Genghis Khan could take over Rangers for all anyone should care. Or Atilla. See what I did there?
Bottom line. Keep the focus on Rangers at this point. The questions about the SFA will be key in a couple of weeks. Not at this moment.
Finally, when they dig through the payments that were paid from the Trust, I wonder if any of the money went to people not employed officially by Rangers?
Now, THAT would be interesting.
Keep up the good work, Paul
G’night
Allysbhoy, deleted. The link stretched the page width, making it difficult for mobile users to read. There is a link creator in the top left margin.
MWD, I have a busy week ahead. Not happy if they drop in the next few days.
Invercelt says:
26 February, 2012 at 22:57
Best just ignore him mate.Sounds like one of those aggressive atheists.Love the name though,Oglach(Volunteer).All the real “Oglachs” were hung out to dry by the multi-cultural,atheist politicos.But that’s another story.
Don’t worry about it,if you have your faith,i think that you are lucky.Lapsed myself,but i have great admiration for those that remained faithful.Certainly would never criticise others that have stayed true to their beliefs.
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy
I was a regular in that u11s team and travelled to most games with Mr Murray which was always a hoot. My initials are GM. It’s nice hearing from you.
MayoD says:
26 February, 2012 at 23:14
Thank you very much my friend.Looks like it is in vinyl,which means even better sound! And i just so happen to own 2 x turntables and a mixer. :0)
Thanks again mate,appreciate it.
No probs Paul, just wondering why the yankee media were speculating that the game today could possibly be their last? i haven’t seen such speculation in scotland :)
Their last game?
Number7 says:
26 February, 2012 at 23:22
Thanks for getting back to me. Mr. Murray (Andy to me) was a great guy and a great friend. It was a great sadness to me that he died weeks before he was due to retire. He was watching St. Ambrose playing up at Espieside. He lived next door to St. Ambrose but taught in St. Bridget’s. I’ll spend the next day or so trying to work out who you are :-)
see highlights still arent on BBC yet but huns are?
HH
Billy Joel, says it so well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HyPCe73fdw&feature=related
it is a source of perpetual frustration to me…
the cops will look into irregular events in matches which influence betting patterns…
yet oddly ignore a rash of questionable late penalties in the south side for decades.
perhaps the key word was “irregular.” because prima facie they seemed fairly commonplace to me.
Can anyone enlighten me about the latest poppy stories, I’ve seen a few snippets here and there.
Is it something to do with thems?
HH
Bundoran Bhoy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/17171100#