We gave STV credit on Wednesday for their reporting on SPL voting process required to decide what to do if a new company applies to join the league after an existing team ceases to exist (through prepack or other means).
I subsequently noticed in the same article they suggest Leeds United went into liquidation and returned with a phoenix prepack. This is incorrect. Leeds United, then in administration, were sold in 2007 to Ken Bates’ newly formed company, with Bates agreeing a deal with creditors. Leeds were, therefore, only liable for the statutory 10 point penalty for entering administration, although the league increased the punishment to 15 points as the club failed to follow correct administration procedure.
I don’t wish to harangue STV on what was an article with genuine information but they cite Leeds as a precedent: “there is no guarantee that the Scottish Premier League would act in the same way as their counterparts in England but the similarities between the regulations mean that the precedent may be used as a guide”.
If I was Rangers right now I would be trying to convince everyone that putting a football club out of existence, only to allow another company to pick up its league share, with a points total calculated from the position of the former club, is similar to a common administration. It’s not. This would be a completely different scenario.
Having discussed this matter with many people throughout the game and the media, I can find no precedent for a football club going out of existence and phoenix-ing back into the same league spot.
Airdrieonians failed in 2008, when the owners of Clydebank FC moved to Airdrie and renamed to Airdrie United. Gretna FC were voted into the space created by the absence of Airdrieonians (then a Second Division team), but entered at the bottom of the Scottish Football League.
Gretna failed in 2008 and a new club based at the same ground successfully applied for membership of the East of Scotland Football League. Annan Athletic entered the bottom rung of the Scottish Football League after Gretna’s demise, not into the First Division spot Gretna were unable to fulfil. Third Lanark were in the bottom division of the Scottish Football League when they were replaced by Clydebank.
Gretna-Annan, Clydebank-Gretna, Third Lanark-Clydebank are the only precedents that exist. If you fail, the team that replaces you joins the bottom rung of the Scottish senior league structure, there have been no exceptions, in Scotland or in England.
The SFA have a say in this matter also. They must ratify any decision of the SPL board and grant a licence to a new club before if can play in the SPL or Scottish Football League. The national association is made up of member clubs, most of whom stand to gain considerably if a Rangers Newco FC were to enter the Scottish Football League.
Irrespective of the SPL’s decision, the SFA better have some pretty good lawyers if they deviate from precedent. The football authorities have a duty to ensure their competitions observe meritocratic and moral correctness. It’s only ‘fit and proper.
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HT no, ye have that wrong the pig farmer has reclaimed it and it will be restored to it’s former status of Govans premier Piggery…. Kinda rolls off the tongue that :>)
V
HH
blantyretim says:
5 November, 2011 at 10:57
That’s one of those raffle prizes that never gets used, its been getting won then donated to another good cause for years, kind of like the Hai Karate his & hers bath set ;-)
Well tell your Mam she better use it, as it is about to expire….why not get 5 CQNers to go, we can all take some photos and create our own “Lucozade bottle” moment, I’d be willing to donate to charity for that…
hh
bjmac
BT
A nice thing to do, someone will enjoy it.
Re your da, I can’t be trusted to look after myself :)
Vmhan
Thank you mate.
League table does not lie, crappy results for them in Europe apart. Where does that leave us?
THE EXILED TIM says:
5 November, 2011 at 10:54
Interesting time ahead.
I agree the whole focus of the media should be the biggest story in world football
Time for us to join in the game, withdraw from the media, give them nothing for free
Head down work hard, get that SPL title deficit down by the end of January.
HT
posted a wee story about the artist Stef reerred too last night after you left the buildling…
hh
Overseasbhoy.
Not just Europe. Consider domestic cup competitions too.
How many ex Hun managers in the spl again?
Just got a lovely cheque through the post from those brilliant chaps at HMRC. Almost 2 K in over paid taxes getting back to me. Its going to be a very merry christmas. Lets hope that those who have not paid their taxes. Cheats and thiefs some would say. May even be described as criminals? …. have to apy what they owe so that the honest ones among us get our dosh back.
There’ll be fireworks today.
Bjmac
Good day Rembrandt ya mad rebel. Great story last night mate I had this Benny Hill type image in my head when I read it :)
For anyone daft enough here are the tips from the hot shots at CQN coupon HQ
LB West Ham 8/5
Jobo Hibs 8/11
AWATR Spurs (on Sunday) 5/4
TTT Shrewsbury 6/5
BT Notts County 4/7
GL2 charlton 4/6
PF crawley 4/6
EN Chelsea 8/15
Hamiltontim.
Glad things went well for you. Being able to look back with your head held high is half the battle. I’m sure your dad is looking down from above with pride.
Hail hail.
Nice one Mullet – no gorillas in ur room then
lionroars67
The huns are only the tip of the iceberg.
I would imagine RC Ogilvie is crapping himself, the sfa members who issued licences for the last few years will also be squirming.
The reason for media silence is obvious,
As for Celtic we should withdraw all media privlages but we won’t.
I have no fear of any team in scotland, I only fear those oficiating the games.
TET
The catering has been sold off …revenue for the next five years cashed in ..happened after they were shipped out the CL
The Honest….
Cheers mate and keep your positivity going. Being a Celtic supporter is a privilege we need to remember that even through the hard times.
2010 Never Again
The midday blessing will commence shortly.
A special prayer will be offered up to those tireless and dedicated officials of Her Majesty’s Revenue & Customs
PFayr
So it was, too much going on to keep track :>)
I also had a thought that if they are punted into div 3 a div3 income would well struggle to pay for a lease at the bigotdome.
I can see a 2 tier league being mooted with the hun in the wilderness for 1 season.
Sometimes it pays to cheat………………….
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/the_gunpowder_plot
Now if only the result of the HMRC case had been this weekend
HMRC blow up the history of Rankers FC
Does money buy you success, quote below from the article
The fans are booing and throwing flags onto the pitch. That’s because the home team is losing 3-5 to the visitors.
On match day in Makhachkala, armed police patrol outside the football stadium. This is one of the most dangerous parts of Russia.
In Dagestan, in the volatile North Caucasus, there are attacks by criminal gangs or Islamist insurgents nearly every day.
But the dangers haven’t put off some of the world’s top footballers from joining the local team.
Inside the cramped and run-down Soviet-era stadium, Anzhi Makhachkala’s biggest star is introduced to the crowd.
“It’s Number 99! It’s Samuel Eto’o!” shouts an excited voice across the public address.
Cameroonian striker Eto’o has moved to Anzhi from Inter Milan, with a transfer fee almost as high as the Caucasus mountains.
He is estimated to be earning $560,000 (£350,000) a week here, making him the highest paid footballer on the planet.
Anzhi’s billionaire owner Suleiman Kerimov hails from Dagestan
Anzhi, which plays in the Russian Premier League, has signed other stars, too. Like Mbark Boussoufa from Anderlecht, Yuri Zhirkov from Chelsea, and Roberto Carlos from Real Madrid.
But where is all the money coming from?
From a Dagestani billionaire. Suleiman Kerimov, one of Russia’s richest men, has made a fortune from potash and gold.
Now he is bankrolling his local football club and giving soccer superstars the chance to cash in – in the Caucasus.
But aren’t they scared to be here? Eto’o assures me he is not.
“So far I haven’t had any problems in Dagestan,” he says. “And I’m not expecting any. Trouble can happen anywhere, even in London, Paris or New York.”
But there’s more trouble in Dagestan than most places.
Cameroonian striker Samuel Eto’o, 30, formerly of Inter Milan
World Cup-winning Brazilian Roberto Carlos, 38, formerly of Real Madrid
Morocco’s Mbark Boussoufa, 27, an ex-Anderlecht player
Brazil’s Diego Tardelli, 26, formerly of Atletico Mineiro
Hungarian Balazs Dzsudzsak, 24, a former PSV Eindhoven player
Last September two car bombs exploded close to Anzhi’s stadium. One policeman was killed and more than 60 people wounded.
The street by the stadium was covered in shattered glass and twisted metal. Shop fronts were ripped to shreds.
For security reasons, the Anzhi players do not spend too much time in Dagestan. They actually live and train a thousand miles away outside Moscow.
The team only flies into Dagestan for its home games – then flies out again. For Carlos it is an unusual experience.
“It is a pity that the team is not based in Dagestan,” Carlos says.
“It takes us between two and a half to three hours to travel to our home matches. But I’m getting used to the journey. And I think that our football is bringing joy to local people.”
‘A bigger project’
You can see that in the stands. When the match against CSKA Moscow gets under way, 15,000 Anzhi fans cheer on their team, waving a sea of green and yellow flags and scarfs.
In a part of Russia battered by high unemployment and daily violence, this club wants to change the dynamic, to give people here something to cheer about. Bringing soccer stars to Dagestan is part of that. But the club has other ideas too
“The football team is just a part of a bigger project,” Anzhi’s chief executive German Chistyakov tells me.
“There will be new stadia, new infrastructure for the club, a new training ground, an academy for the kids. It will be a social lift for Dagestan. All these projects will change the lives of people in this region.”
There are also likely to be more big money signings, with more top-flight foreign footballers – and possibly a foreign manager – joining Anzhi.
“Every day I get text messages from friends – fellow footballers – who ask me whether they too can come and play in Russia,” reveals Eto’o.
“That’s great. It means that Dagestan has given Russian football the chance to attract the best players. I hope they’ll keep coming here, especially to Anzhi. Because I’d like to play with the best players. Then the situation in this region will improve. Football unites people. That is its greatest power.”
Back at the stadium, the mood has changed. Anzhi’s supporters are growing impatient and angry.
The fans are booing and throwing flags onto the pitch. That’s because the home team is losing 3-5 to the visitors.
Which only goes to show – Anzhi may have earned itself the nickname the “Manchester City of Russian football”, but money alone is no guarantee of success. These stars will need to start playing as a team if the dream of Champions League football is to come true.
I understand a small delegation of Celtic fans are handing in £3000 to the BBC later today for the woman whom the Billionaire stiffed.
The pumpings of Malmo and Maribor were 2 legs of a nice wee 5 game coupon the other night, they are bankers to lose :-)
It is beyond me also how the SPL roll over to let Rangers tickle their bellies, while the 2 aforementioned also-rans and Falkirk Bairns- and I mean bairns- didn’t have any fear of them.
Listening to the tone Houston’s team talk yesterday, Utd are 2 goals down before a ball is kicked.
Neil Lennon Is A Celtic Soul Brother says:
5 November, 2011 at 09:06
1 Goalkeeper
2 Full Backs
2 Centre Backs
3 Midfielders
3 Forwards
Boruc
McGrain……………….Wdowczyk
Stubbs…..Rieper
Petrov…..McStay…..Burns
McClair…..Sutton…..Larsson
Selected a 90 minutes team (maybe more 4-4-2 than 4-3-3) – it was easier to pick the bench!
overseasbhoy – 11:04
“League table does not lie, crappy results for them in Europe apart. Where does that leave us?”
In Europe?
jungle1967 says:
5 November, 2011 at 11:34
I understand a small delegation of Celtic fans are handing in £3000 to the BBC later today for the woman whom the Billionaire stiffed.
What is this story about?
Goldstar10
Agree re Houston- downbeat and already beaten to-day.
Apart from a minority the SPL approach to Rankers games is low key- ‘friendly match’ tackles, pit pat ‘after you Claude’ in midfield- uncontested 18 yard box- limp in attack.
Against Celtic – tackles at neck height- last ditch all over the pitch – add to that a wee touch of MIB ‘blind eye’ and some of the differences on points total are explained.
Not totally though- we still have our own house to tidy up- but we’ll get there.
Hail hail
thomthethim says:
5 November, 2011 at 12:03
jungle1967 says:
5 November, 2011 at 11:34
I understand a small delegation of Celtic fans are handing in £3000 to the BBC later today for the woman whom the Billionaire stiffed.
What is this story about?
0 October 2011 Last updated at 19:38 Help
Rangers owner Craig Whyte has denied claims of alleged criminality in past business dealings.
Patricia Palmer, from Glasgow, was an employee of Whyte’s company Vital Security in the late 1990s.
Ms Palmer claims she is still owed about £3,000 by Mr Whyte after an employment tribunal found in her favour.
praecepta @11.51
Wot, No LuBO or Big Paul Elliot ( best cenral defende ever)
KINGLuBO
overseasbhoy says:
5 November, 2011 at 11:04
League table does not lie, crappy results for them in Europe apart. Where does that leave us?
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Errrmmmm!!!
Let me think!
I believe it leaves us in a position were we are the only team in Scotland (AKA Bigoted cesspit) who can win an UNPRECEDENTED quadruple.
MWD PIPE SMOKE STICK IT.
MWB
Well said- but Quadruple not unprecedented- we ‘Ticked’ that box in ole 67
Hail hail
KINGLUBO says:
5 November, 2011 at 12:11
You’ll be pleased to know that the majority are with you on both Lubo and Big Paul-why not enter you own team? See the list on my post at 09.06
Pat Nevin is standing in for Cosgrove on On The Ball. People are being invited to call, email, or text their opinion of him as a pundit.
I think an element of censorship will be required.
jinkyredstar cuts it back for Neil Lennon says:
5 November, 2011 at 12:17
MWB
Well said- but Quadruple not unprecedented- we ‘Ticked’ that box in ole 67
Hail hail
Add in the Glasgow cup and we made it 5
lionroars67 says:
5 November, 2011 at 12:10
Thanks. I look forward to reading all about the donation tomorrow, below the full report of the storming of the BBC by the Vanquished Bears.
overseasbhoy says:
5 November, 2011 at 11:04
Reality is a win tomorrow and our fightback begins.
Keep safe see the cqn gang are onto you
Hail Hail
Jinkyredstar…..
Actually we ticked the quintuple box if you include the Glasgow Cup mate.
Junkey Red Star
Not according to the BEEB when Huns were drawing their way to UEFA cup final as the Royal Blue Tsunami destroyed Manchester City Centre.
So it must be UNPRECEDENTED because the BEEB said so.
BEEB UNPRECEDENTED QUADRUPLE
MWD
Afternoon…….team to win at Fir Park
Forster
Cha Rogne Majstorovic Matthews
Forrest Kayal Wanyama Ledley
Stokes Hooper
Hopefully a start for big Victor. Let’s see if the family club’s ‘boot everything that moves’ tactics work as well with him in the centre of midfield.
I see a couple of folks a bit down on Dundee United’s chances today. Fear not.
huns have only won 4 of 8 home games this season. United were the last team to beat them there. They have a chance.
I suspect the points gap will be a little less by close of business tomorrow.
KINGLUBO says:
5 November, 2011 at 12:11
praecepta @11.51
Wot, No LuBO or Big Paul Elliot ( best cenral defende ever)
They were on the bench – honest! :-)