We gave STV credit on Wednesday for their reporting on SPL voting process required to decide what to do if a new company applies to join the league after an existing team ceases to exist (through prepack or other means).
I subsequently noticed in the same article they suggest Leeds United went into liquidation and returned with a phoenix prepack. This is incorrect. Leeds United, then in administration, were sold in 2007 to Ken Bates’ newly formed company, with Bates agreeing a deal with creditors. Leeds were, therefore, only liable for the statutory 10 point penalty for entering administration, although the league increased the punishment to 15 points as the club failed to follow correct administration procedure.
I don’t wish to harangue STV on what was an article with genuine information but they cite Leeds as a precedent: “there is no guarantee that the Scottish Premier League would act in the same way as their counterparts in England but the similarities between the regulations mean that the precedent may be used as a guide”.
If I was Rangers right now I would be trying to convince everyone that putting a football club out of existence, only to allow another company to pick up its league share, with a points total calculated from the position of the former club, is similar to a common administration. It’s not. This would be a completely different scenario.
Having discussed this matter with many people throughout the game and the media, I can find no precedent for a football club going out of existence and phoenix-ing back into the same league spot.
Airdrieonians failed in 2008, when the owners of Clydebank FC moved to Airdrie and renamed to Airdrie United. Gretna FC were voted into the space created by the absence of Airdrieonians (then a Second Division team), but entered at the bottom of the Scottish Football League.
Gretna failed in 2008 and a new club based at the same ground successfully applied for membership of the East of Scotland Football League. Annan Athletic entered the bottom rung of the Scottish Football League after Gretna’s demise, not into the First Division spot Gretna were unable to fulfil. Third Lanark were in the bottom division of the Scottish Football League when they were replaced by Clydebank.
Gretna-Annan, Clydebank-Gretna, Third Lanark-Clydebank are the only precedents that exist. If you fail, the team that replaces you joins the bottom rung of the Scottish senior league structure, there have been no exceptions, in Scotland or in England.
The SFA have a say in this matter also. They must ratify any decision of the SPL board and grant a licence to a new club before if can play in the SPL or Scottish Football League. The national association is made up of member clubs, most of whom stand to gain considerably if a Rangers Newco FC were to enter the Scottish Football League.
Irrespective of the SPL’s decision, the SFA better have some pretty good lawyers if they deviate from precedent. The football authorities have a duty to ensure their competitions observe meritocratic and moral correctness. It’s only ‘fit and proper.
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iBhoy
You going to Motherwell ya part-timer?
:-)
sorry for brining the blog down tonight bhoys but I place the blame firmly on G64 cos he spoke about crooners….
let the people sing…
I am Neil Lennon on a celticrollercoaster says:
5 November, 2011 at 00:32
Hopefully mate, want to catchup n also meet paddy
Let u know
HH
The good……
Thank you for that mate.
Hail Hail
hamiltontim says:
5 November, 2011 at 00:29
Hope this number gives you some comfort – did for me.
When you think about your Old Man!
far too sombre…
My Old man passed 6 year ago, like HamiltonBhoy’s dad he was a man of faith, family and Celtic.. But also a man of great Humour as I bet Hamilton’s Dad was also, let’s face it.. You spend your life supporting Celtic you need it..
My point is all our Dads who are departed would rather see us remember the great time, the funny times . I nearly always smile when I think of my Da.. It was what he would want.
Tough times Hamilton.. Try to think of the great happy and funny stuff.. It helps.
All the best on your journey.. You’ll get there.. Your Da prepared you for it. I’m sure!
BT
Mea Culpae
Best team from the last 25 years.
This lot would have run through a brick wall for the Hoops.
Artur
Didi JFK Bobo Anton
NFL
Maestro Feed the Bear
Lubo
Swedish King Frank McAvennie
Sub: Owen Archdeacon
Manager: M O’N
Bhoys, lovely words again and I thank you sincerely. As I said they helped me and my mum but time to get back to blogging.
How good was Sammi last nigh!!!!
Re-Post from earlier.
Off to bed now but will record any further entries later today!
Thanks for all the entries so far-keep them coming!
Good night all.
As a bit of an antidote for all the Utd best ofs of the last 25 years:
Over the next few days I will compile any teams submitted from the following list and publish CQN’S best team of the last 25 years.
To make it relatively easy to compile please stick to the following rules:
1.Only choose players from the following lists(sorry if I missed your favourite player but there has to be a limit-I’ve also avoided loan players )
2.Only pick 11 players as follows:
1 Goalkeeper
2 Full Backs
2 Centre Backs
3 Midfielders
3 Forwards
3.Only pick players from the relevant list .For example I have listed Roy Aitken as a Centre Back-you can’t pick him as a Midfielder. I’ve no doubt missed some obvious ones but this is the final list!
GOALKEEPERS
1.Bonner 2.Gould 3.Douglas 4.D.Marshall 5.Boruc
FULL BACKS
1.McKinlay 2.McNamara 3.Agathe 4.Wilson 5.Hinkel
6.McGrain 7.Izaguirre 8.Boyd 9.Morris 10.Wdowczyk
CENTRE BACKS
1.Stubbs 2.Rieper 3.Mjallby 4.Balde 5.Caldwell
6.Aitken 7.Elliot 8.Mowbray 9.McCarthy 10.Valgaeren
MIDFIELDERS
1.McLeod 2.McStay 3.Lambert 4.Collins 5.Burns
6.McGeady 7.Di Cannio 8.Burley 9.Petrov 10.Thompson
11.Moravcik 12.Lennon 13.Nakamura 14.Brown 15.Kayal
FORWARDS
1.Cadete 2.Viduka 3.Larsson 4.Sutton 5.Hartson
6.Maloney 7.McDonald 8.Stokes 9.Hooper 10.Judas
11.Van Hooijdonk 12.Walker 13.McAvennie 14.Dziekanowski 15.McClair
I will re-post this over the next few days.
Bloke109 is Neil Lennon says:
5 November, 2011 at 00:36
No, you gave my ticket away!
HT
yo want to start a fight….
get to PV tomorrow, VP and G64 are good for causing trouble in there…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBlOkvBu6Cg
Matt Munro.
if bot 3pm tomorrow afternoon
Scottish cup tie,, at jock stein
hamiltontim says:
5 November, 2011 at 00:36
How did Stef know about that!!!!
Think it’s legnedry(sp) now. In my younger more rebelious days;-) My artistic skills weren’t limited or restricted to that roundabout, I also managed a plethora of roadsigns as well as a few strategic and prominant walls and a hun pub toilet!!! – but I’ll tell you about that when I see you next ;-)
I’m sure some can still be viewed! You’ve brought back memories I had long forgotten about!
hh
banksy.csc
BABASONICOS71 says:
4 November, 2011 at 23:26
Best Wishes to you m8, I missed your post, you have the right attitude.
God Bless both you and hamiltontim at these difficult times.
It is the small things like Celtic doing well that no doubt put smiles on the faces, even if just for a short time. If the players only realised this, and they are young and ambitious men, I Really think this would bring them on so much more and distance themselves from the scourge of football, money, even if it is just a little bit.
Not as good as your youtube link but my young Son absolutely loves this youtube and when he sees me upset or angry he sings it to me, and it melts those negative things like a powerful sun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X9PCodHAI4
HamiltonBhoy
Sammi was as good as I predicted he would be 5 hrs before KO.. He is rubbish finisher fantastic midfielder.. And at points last night began to wonder if he is a potential solution to centre back problem… Ok that’s taking it a bit far.. But onlyba bit.. Great clearing headers and tackles..
The fact he doesn’t do it often enough is frustrating but not always his fault imo
NL ia CSB
OK if it’s your game:
GK Artur
FB Didi, Izzy
CB Roy Aitken (Captain) Bobo
M Neil Lennon, Maestro, Lubo
F Henrik, Frank McAvennie
Perhaps Izzy might yet prove to be a worthy repacement for Anton but surely we can still get Owen Archdeacon in.
cults
how many watching that match last night really hoped that Sammi would make a hash of that pass last
night to Hooper?
The H\o/ly St\o/ne \o/f Cl\o/nrichert is Neil Lenn\o/n says:
5 November, 2011 at 00:51
Anton would always be first pick for Mrs CRC, but somehow I dont think it was to do with footie! :-)
HH
CRC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7feTT_vvaw&feature=related
iBhoy
Nope, still available.
Right bhoys im off
CRC n Hamiltontim text you bhoys over weekend
HH
OK – hands up! ee aw!
But that was just in case we had one sent off.
If we were allowed 11 players I would also choose JC in midfield
Over and out
BT
Heart was in my mouth.
But the big man delivered.
On his day Sammi is class act.
Bt
Only the ones that know F-all about football. The weight of the pass was perfect. Can’t think of many in the squad with his technical ability…
If the French had sent as many as they promised in 1798, Irish Music would now sound like this
Mag Hop
BABASONICOS71
Stay strong big fella, will keep you in my prayers.
The H\o/ly St\o/ne \o/f Cl\o/nrichert is Neil Lenn\o/n says:
5 November, 2011 at 00:51
Cheers-never forget that goal that Owen scored against THEM in 1987 when we beat them 3-1 at Celtic Park.
Unbelievably the other 2 goals were McClair penalties-both absolute stone wallers obviously!
Good Night all.
Bundoran
Thanks for everything mate.
Hail Hail
BT – You are a good judge of character mate :>
CRC – Fair play to Mrs CRC.
G64 – 4 November, 2011 at 22:23 Is CP a better place with 30,000 faithful ?
Great question.
Bada Bing
How are you pal ?
That’s me started on Sammi again…
Despite the pelters he gets on here.. I suspect he is the Celtic player most opposing team players least like playing against.. He always looks like he’s in control of the ball, he’s gangly and ard to get round, he is great in the air and his loping stride makes him hard to break away from
He needs to replace Scott Brown imo
hamiltontim says:
5 November, 2011 at 00:18
My condolences to you and your fanily,he is not really gone,just in the row behind you out of sight.
hamiltontim
We’re always here buddy.
Take care and give your mum a hug from me.
MWD
NL ia CSB
Aye the won that the wind blew over the line.
HA HA