We gave STV credit on Wednesday for their reporting on SPL voting process required to decide what to do if a new company applies to join the league after an existing team ceases to exist (through prepack or other means).
I subsequently noticed in the same article they suggest Leeds United went into liquidation and returned with a phoenix prepack. This is incorrect. Leeds United, then in administration, were sold in 2007 to Ken Bates’ newly formed company, with Bates agreeing a deal with creditors. Leeds were, therefore, only liable for the statutory 10 point penalty for entering administration, although the league increased the punishment to 15 points as the club failed to follow correct administration procedure.
I don’t wish to harangue STV on what was an article with genuine information but they cite Leeds as a precedent: “there is no guarantee that the Scottish Premier League would act in the same way as their counterparts in England but the similarities between the regulations mean that the precedent may be used as a guide”.
If I was Rangers right now I would be trying to convince everyone that putting a football club out of existence, only to allow another company to pick up its league share, with a points total calculated from the position of the former club, is similar to a common administration. It’s not. This would be a completely different scenario.
Having discussed this matter with many people throughout the game and the media, I can find no precedent for a football club going out of existence and phoenix-ing back into the same league spot.
Airdrieonians failed in 2008, when the owners of Clydebank FC moved to Airdrie and renamed to Airdrie United. Gretna FC were voted into the space created by the absence of Airdrieonians (then a Second Division team), but entered at the bottom of the Scottish Football League.
Gretna failed in 2008 and a new club based at the same ground successfully applied for membership of the East of Scotland Football League. Annan Athletic entered the bottom rung of the Scottish Football League after Gretna’s demise, not into the First Division spot Gretna were unable to fulfil. Third Lanark were in the bottom division of the Scottish Football League when they were replaced by Clydebank.
Gretna-Annan, Clydebank-Gretna, Third Lanark-Clydebank are the only precedents that exist. If you fail, the team that replaces you joins the bottom rung of the Scottish senior league structure, there have been no exceptions, in Scotland or in England.
The SFA have a say in this matter also. They must ratify any decision of the SPL board and grant a licence to a new club before if can play in the SPL or Scottish Football League. The national association is made up of member clubs, most of whom stand to gain considerably if a Rangers Newco FC were to enter the Scottish Football League.
Irrespective of the SPL’s decision, the SFA better have some pretty good lawyers if they deviate from precedent. The football authorities have a duty to ensure their competitions observe meritocratic and moral correctness. It’s only ‘fit and proper.
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for an Airdrie Bhoy best football quote ever
Jimmy Johnstone on the brutal 3 game series in the World Club Championship against Racing
“Well, it really was an experience………and, when we got back to Scotland, we started to realise how good it was here compared to over there (South America). Football seemed more civilised, although the first match back here was at Airdrie.”!
Hi All,
Great result last night and the atmosphere was terrific also, seemed a poor crowd for a key match in terms of getting behind the team, still lets hope it breeds confidence as that is a major part of putting together a run of wins between now and the next OF game.
Best 11 in last 25 years: Boruc
McGrain McNamara
Elliot Rieper
Burns, McStay, Moravcik
Cadete, Larsson, McAvennie
Someone mentioned my late brother Stephen (Pablo), thanks for the thoughts, he is the last thing I think of every night and wish to god I could tell him I love him and miss him.
Hail Hail Sleep tight
Estadio
Ethal Merman.
Please explain ?
For HamiltonTim and all other bhoys who’ve lost their old man
GB song for our Sammi.
Boruc
McGrain — Aitken — Elliott — Izaguirre
McStay — Lennon — Lambert — Moravic
Larrson — McAvennie
depressing, when you see the number of class acts we’ve had in the last 25years
why did all the players get fined by robert kelly?
Sutton should be in there, to drunk and lazy to put a full 11 up
BT.
Carried my old man out to Faith of our fathers yesterday, not a dry eye in the hoose!
praecepta
Nice one. I youtubed Nana Mouskouri to see what she had. Believe it or not, she has a song called ‘Over and over’ :-)
See if the HUNS go bust
10 things I’ll miss
Derby games
Sectarian Hatred
Bigotry
Royal Baloo
Red Topped Socks
Superiority Complex
WATP
Follow Follow
Blue Bells
HUNS
LIKE A FOUR KING HOLE IN THE HEAD
MWD
HT
I can only hope that when it comes that I have your faith and strength…
you are a credit to your father and your faith…
BABASONICOS71 says:
4 November, 2011 at 23:26
Unsure how I missed your post, just read it and many more should read it.
Stay strong & KTF
God Bless you and your loved ones, both here and departed.
hh
bjmac
hamiltontim says:
5 November, 2011 at 00:18
Thinking of u all yesterday buddy
Prayers too
HH
hamiltontim
Hail! Hail!
MWD
Bjmac
Spent a long time talking to my uncle John yesterday. He remembers you fondly and thought your da was a special, special man.
hamiltontim
Best wishes to you. No easy. I was outvoted on that one with mine.
Let the people sing ?
gerald766 says:
4 November, 2011 at 23:25
Try that post again…I don’t understand it….
Gordon64
Right this is how my mind works.
You asked …..Could Frank and Bing LIVE WITH (my capitals) Dean and Sammy.
Me, taking into account the latest in civil partnerships laws suggested that nowadays ‘Anything goes’.
Ethel Merman was the archetypal chantress of that particular song.
I know…but youse only have to put up with me occasionally. I have to live with myself 24/7.
Anyway…to finish for this evening, hiows about what we are all looking forward to….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coBwk8v9KPQ
hail hail
Estadio
hamiltontim says:
5 November, 2011 at 00:18
Just raising a wee Glen Moray to your dad!!
HH
CRC
hamiltontim says:
5 November, 2011 at 00:18
Carried my own Da’ out to the same Hymn.
As BT posted, you’re a credit to your old man.
hh
bjmac
With a 4 leaf clover on my breast
and the green and white upon my chest !
hamiltontim
thoughts go out to you and your family.
hail hail.
Babasonicos71
Thoughts are with you mate.
As we laid my dad to rest in Crematorium
this is song we had played, still gets lump in my throat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=qZKACCy7OK8
RIP Seamus
BT
Broke down a bit during my eulogy but I think I got the message across.
His faith, his family and Celtic, that’s what it was all about for him.
I’d just like to say that those who think this wonderful site doesn’t matter in the real world. My mum was in tatters on Sat morning. I decided to show her CQN and together we read back over the heartfelt, uplifting posts that so many on here made.
She wept buckets but those words lifted her. She asked me to thank you.
Surely sTICks must be in the CQN house by now.
Here’s me staying up late as well!!!
HH
CRC
4 years now, gone but NEVER forgotten
God bless you
Hamilton Tim – I’ve never spoken with you, but please accept my condolences on you loss. It’s nearly four years since I lost my old man, the memories and the laughter keeps him alive to me, as does the faith he instilled in me. The memory of your father will never dim.
God bless you
PS Thanks for the music tonight lads
hamiltontim says:
5 November, 2011 at 00:21
Just seen your post, John must’ve got me mixed up with my older brother :-) – he was right about ma Da’ though and very nice of him to say that. As you know I loved big JD as a teacher and a man and we’ll not go into how I felt about wee CD ;-P
Maybe see you Sunday if you can make it.
hh
bjmac
Song for our times http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXHckAFMzaw
Bundoran Bhoy says:
5 November, 2011 at 00:29
Are we on the beer next week with Paddy G?
HH
CRC
Estadio
You certainly picked the best song
Francis sang.
The Summer Wind is a classic.
Have you see the seen ‘The Pope
of Greenwich Village’ ?
Neil Lennon Is A Celtic Soul Brother:
GOALKEEPERS
Boruc
FULL BACKS
Agathe McGrain
CENTRE BACKS
Aitken Elliot
MIDFIELDERS
McStay Moravcik Lennon
FORWARDS
Larsson Sutton Hartson
And then, if he had hung around just a wee bit longer the man who would have assumed Frank’s mantle (instead it was left up to me, drink and a Sunday nuight in a smokey sharkey’s lounge while the backing group play the plaintive melody on glasses, combs, air guitars and beer mats.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqEKbl-lSZo&feature=related
Time to get back into ‘Four Kings’ – George Kimball. If you like boxing and haven’t read this….well, you are missing a bit of magic.
hail hail
Estadio
Bjmac
He said yours was a lovely family mate.
However, Stef says I’ve to ask you about the defacing of a particular roundabout upon entering sunny Carluke? :))
Hamilton Tim,
I am sorry for your loss, I am sure your dad is looking down and feeling very proud. Noone can find the words that convey their thoughts and empathy to fill the void and emptyness you and the family are feeling.
It is just a measure of the man that so many cared to show respect and acknowledge his life that can give you some solace on the saddest of days.
Take care and remember the good times as they will always be in your heart.
God Bless you and yours.