We gave STV credit on Wednesday for their reporting on SPL voting process required to decide what to do if a new company applies to join the league after an existing team ceases to exist (through prepack or other means).
I subsequently noticed in the same article they suggest Leeds United went into liquidation and returned with a phoenix prepack. This is incorrect. Leeds United, then in administration, were sold in 2007 to Ken Bates’ newly formed company, with Bates agreeing a deal with creditors. Leeds were, therefore, only liable for the statutory 10 point penalty for entering administration, although the league increased the punishment to 15 points as the club failed to follow correct administration procedure.
I don’t wish to harangue STV on what was an article with genuine information but they cite Leeds as a precedent: “there is no guarantee that the Scottish Premier League would act in the same way as their counterparts in England but the similarities between the regulations mean that the precedent may be used as a guide”.
If I was Rangers right now I would be trying to convince everyone that putting a football club out of existence, only to allow another company to pick up its league share, with a points total calculated from the position of the former club, is similar to a common administration. It’s not. This would be a completely different scenario.
Having discussed this matter with many people throughout the game and the media, I can find no precedent for a football club going out of existence and phoenix-ing back into the same league spot.
Airdrieonians failed in 2008, when the owners of Clydebank FC moved to Airdrie and renamed to Airdrie United. Gretna FC were voted into the space created by the absence of Airdrieonians (then a Second Division team), but entered at the bottom of the Scottish Football League.
Gretna failed in 2008 and a new club based at the same ground successfully applied for membership of the East of Scotland Football League. Annan Athletic entered the bottom rung of the Scottish Football League after Gretna’s demise, not into the First Division spot Gretna were unable to fulfil. Third Lanark were in the bottom division of the Scottish Football League when they were replaced by Clydebank.
Gretna-Annan, Clydebank-Gretna, Third Lanark-Clydebank are the only precedents that exist. If you fail, the team that replaces you joins the bottom rung of the Scottish senior league structure, there have been no exceptions, in Scotland or in England.
The SFA have a say in this matter also. They must ratify any decision of the SPL board and grant a licence to a new club before if can play in the SPL or Scottish Football League. The national association is made up of member clubs, most of whom stand to gain considerably if a Rangers Newco FC were to enter the Scottish Football League.
Irrespective of the SPL’s decision, the SFA better have some pretty good lawyers if they deviate from precedent. The football authorities have a duty to ensure their competitions observe meritocratic and moral correctness. It’s only ‘fit and proper.
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Neil Lennon Is A Celtic Soul Brother
comparing that list of players against the ones we have in today’s team just depresses me
tictalker talking tic
CRC
well thanks..
need to trawl the TTT book of reasons to renage for next week I assume..
I must admit i never renaiged last week, I’ll blame Ard Macha and Ulster Celt for that one..
well pre match…
I even juked oldtim,WDH,MWD and PFayr last night due to my incapacity…or is it ESA now, ? I can’t remember
The Legend Johnny Doyle says:
4 November, 2011 at 23:04
praecepta
That youtube video was quick news… did you have that one ready for the 1st post…? ;)
You have to be on your toes on CQN :-)
WG told me tonight Charlie Richmond was the Ref on Sunday. I thought he had retired and his stats for the last 2 seasons suggest he has in all but name.
My first thought is why is he being brought in from the cold ?
My second thought is that he was sent into the cold for being the first to break ranks in Dougieate to say that he should go.
Expect overcompensation or he is finished with the ever strong cabal in Toryglen.
Agree, I’d have Ronaldo in there up front, Robson as well in midfield (great player), decision would be Rooney or Cantona (not much between them really)
Music question.
Who is CQNs best crooner ?
I’m going for Matt Munro.
Lenny made a great play of the ‘miracle’ result last night..offering the number of injuries as an explanation…it occurs to me today – that this squad can not be weakened – nor strengthened..the players are all much of a such.
Don’t know if this explains why Lenny can’t find a fixed 11?
I am Neil Lennon on a celticrollercoaster says:
4 November, 2011 at 22:57
No plans at present-will let you know when planned.
Just tried picking my team-very difficult but here goes.
Boruc
Agathe Rieper Aitken McGrain
McStay Moravcik McGeady
Van Hoojidonk Larsson Sutton
sftb
You would be a fortunate man that you have to finish off your wifes bottles, there are a few brit women here who see white wine as a breakfast drink, seriously, Cava in the afternoon and Gin in the evening, messed up people btw.
I would be very fortunate that my Mrs isn’t a drinker, but when she does indulge she could drink me under the table, always intrigued me that has.
G64
The flights are cheap enough, come see for yourself.
Supporters getting names wrong fair enough, but it rips ma knittin when folk whose job it partly is get names wrong. Archie McPherson with his insistance on ‘Didier Aygat’ is matched only by match announcers – our own guy mis-pronouncing every foreign name possible, and the eejit at Hibernian in the 4-1 game practically doing himself an injury with Lukas Zaluska. ‘Luski Lakuska’ he says, followed by ‘easy for me to say, now the Hiberian team, ah, an easy one, in goals Mark Brown’.
The general funny ones are screams of derision at players who have either been subbed or didn’t start :-)
tictalker
there were 6 current Celts in that list
CSB
Here’s my selection:-
Boruc
McGrain Rieper Mjallby Izaguirre
McGeady McStay Moravcik
Larsson McAvennie McClair
P.S. Caldwell over McManus????
No Stephane Bonnes??
CultsBhoy hates being 2nd says:
4 November, 2011 at 23:10
Hey Cultsbhoy, I’ve noticed recently that everybody seems to be accusing you of being a hun. Given your “surname” surely you must be a ‘Well fan?
Hopefully, after Sunday ther will be no confusion!
Billy Bhoy
Gordon64 says:
4 November, 2011 at 22:23
Is CP a better place with 30,000 faithful ?
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You tell em’ Gordon64! Men are what this celtic team needs, men who will stand up when all around them are ‘folding’, is what we need, did you ever see our young manager,Neil lennon bend the knee to anyone during his spell at celtic!
certainly not !
BUNDORAN BHOY 2222
Can you post this again on,say,Tuesday when I’ll be back down the road wi access to all my stuff.
If that’s ok….
Billy Bhoy
it was You mentioned Vuvuzelas so you can take the blame. During the last World Cup a good friend of mine, Bill from the J’Burg CSC sent me an email on just how the vuvuzela had come about.
I don’t know if it’s true and if you are of a sensitive nature then please please do NOT open this link.
Blow me!
Hail hail
Estadio
bloke
mini bt calls our new left back matthew adams….
or is it adam matthews….
confused,com o))
I really fancy Celtic not only to win on Sunday but to win by more that 2 goals.
15/4 at hill for Celtic -2 goals will be what i will be chucking my cash on.
i predict this because
Kris commons looks like hes lost an inch or two off his waistline.
so he will start and score.
tictalker talking tic
Neil Lennon Is A Celtic Soul Brother
Ok you twisted my arm, my team of the last quart century! Very tough in midfield and forwards to select
GOALKEEPER
Boruc
FULL BACKS
McGrain Izaguirre
CENTRE BACKS
Rieper Elliot
MIDFIELDERS
McStay Burns Moravcik Nakamura
FORWARDS
Cadete Larsson
tictalker says:
4 November, 2011 at 23:06
Yes,me too-we really have had some great players in the last 25 years particularly attacking midfielders and forwards.
I reckon our best 11 would give that Utd team a good game though I think we would lose-however if our current team played their current team I am sure we would get battered(don’t want to think about playing City-unless it is the U-19s!)
setting free the bears
im glad to see you squeezed one of the 6 in your team :O)
tictalker talking tic
TET
Thanx pal.
VP are me planing a raid.
Right that post about the vuvuzela was in terrible taste so it will be removed from my blog within the next few minutes.
No one complained but I think that is because they were stunned at its crassnes. Sorry for any offence
Hail hail
Estadio
setting free the bears says:
4 November, 2011 at 23:13
Funny you should say that-I had McManus as my last pick but changed it to Caldwell at the last minute-doubt either would make many teams though!
S.Bonnes was on the shortlist-honest!
G64
on the port at the mo,
so tha gang hut has been booby trapped…
CultsBhoy hates being 2nd says:
4 November, 2011 at 23:10
Lenny made a great play of the ‘miracle’ result last night..offering the number of injuries as an explanation…it occurs to me today – that this squad can not be weakened – nor strengthened..the players are all much of a such.
Don’t know if this explains why Lenny can’t find a fixed 11?
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easy, lennys I.Q. is reported to be 189+
does your exist?
Estadio says:
4 November, 2011 at 23:22
it’s OK we’re ‘no stunned – we were all away to get a measuring tape oot!
Billy Bhoy
It’s gone…thank God. That’s what too much red wine does to my judgement, but fortunately one more glass and I realised my mistake.
Hail hail
Estadio
Been a while since i posted,had the odd lurk-in but they have been few and fleeting.Unfortunately life’s been tough recently and priorities meant i’ve had no time and,to be honest,no inclination to enjoy the blog.Football doesn’t seem to matter much compared to real life.The thing is though,through the loss and the grief and trying to keep on keeping on when all you want to do is lie down forever,i still felt worry in my battered heart for my team.When i couldn’t think straight,when i was jaded from mourning,when i was surrounded by weeping relatives,when i had to ‘get through’ the next day,in the midst of all this i still believed my team could provide relief,i still reached out to them for hope amidst my hopelessness.Unfortunately they’ve been unable to provide much succour from my woes and have largely underperformed leading to our poor league position.I expected in my state of mind that i would turn against them,become a dissenter,after all i had lost all real interest in the game itself so blaming the team seemed the natural route to take.The opposite happened though,i felt solidarity with the team,i realised that amidst all the negativity in my life they were my escape,my refuge.So regardless of results i’ve come to love the club even more as they are a valve for my emotions and passion but are unable to leave me with a sense of loss like real life can.
Nothing is more important than family but being part of the Celtic family is a privilege and honour that has helped me through recent troubles.I can say with total certainty and personal experience,we really are more than a club.
Until later,peace and love to each and every one of you bhoys and ghirls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIjkW6iyXNo
FOREVERANDEVER!!!
Ah Have a Few Comments.. tae mak.. then Ah must Leave…
Sammi… ???
Well..
O.K.
Here they ur…
Sammi, had a WHALE of a Game, Last Night.. Unquestionably..
He wus the Man o’ the Hour.. and … A Hauf!
Ah could fall in Luv, wi’ Sammi…
IF….
Yep.. If.. He turned in a Performance,such as he did,Last Eve….
EVERY TIME…He Strutted Oor Turf.. or.. Anybuddy , Else’s!
But..Ah know and You know and even Nutsy knows..
Sammi.. WULLNAE!
Perplexed.. Ah decided tae consult Ma Soccer Guru..
Ah asked him, could he please tell me..and Ma Readers..
Why Sammi had such a ” Wan Aff” of a Performance, agin
the French Guys.
“Oh, that”..quoth , my wee pal.. Zarruy..(He is a Great guy, fur Quothin’ !)
“The Answer to yer question is Elementary.
Sammi needs… ROOM.. Room, Tae Be Able tae Get in FULL
Contol or the Fitba.. and . TIME.. tae get up tae Runnin’ Speed..
And.. if Sammi, manages tae get awe those Ducks in Row..
Well.. Ye saw the result .. Last Night.
Howevahh.. that being said…
When Sammi Plays in an S.P. L. Game..
where Celtic,Inevitably, Are faced with a PACKED
Defensive Wa’…
Then, Ah am sorry tae relate..
Sammi is Quite, Quite.. Well.. STIFLED!
Consequently.. Sammi,ends up being Harassed and Pumelled..
and Shoved.. AFORE.. He kin..
well..
GET THOSE DUCKS.. which Ah jist Described..
IN A ROW!
So…
Ah widnae Expect Sammi tae hiv such a Successful and Profitable Outing
If..
He is Picked to play agin the Motherwell”
Hmmmmmmmm…
Very Interesting.
Right?
Right.
Ah Thanked Zarry.. and wandered, thoughtfully.. Hame.
Kojo
CRC
Trust you to be the first to break the rules!
2.Only pick 11 players as follows:
1 Goalkeeper
2 Full Backs
2 Centre Backs
3 Midfielders
3 Forwards
Not 4 Midfielders and 2 Forwards!!
Is Lenny brave enough to play the same starting 11 on Sunday?
I’ll admit not a big fan of a few of the 11 but you beat Reenes then why not play the same against a team like Motherwell (change injured players only).
BABASONICOS71 says:
4 November, 2011 at 23:26
God bless and KTF
Anthrax & Public Enemy- Bring the Noise
A Classic
Yeeeah Boi
Here’s mine then, could have picked better players imo.
Artur
Danny…Tommy
Paul…Marc
Lobo…Lenny….Naka
Chocky…Henke…Chris
Bed time now, mucho things to do in the morning.
Take care and god bless
HH
KTF
BABASONICOS71 says:
4 November, 2011 at 23:26
Take it easy and I hope you come to peace with your loss. Celtic is more than just a football club and indeed so are the fans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbjccPaO4K0&feature=related
HH
CRC
Babasonico
Awrabest mate.
KTF.
BT
Did i tell u the story of me and VP and me in Stuggart
when we were on the port.
I’ll tell you later.