We gave STV credit on Wednesday for their reporting on SPL voting process required to decide what to do if a new company applies to join the league after an existing team ceases to exist (through prepack or other means).
I subsequently noticed in the same article they suggest Leeds United went into liquidation and returned with a phoenix prepack. This is incorrect. Leeds United, then in administration, were sold in 2007 to Ken Bates’ newly formed company, with Bates agreeing a deal with creditors. Leeds were, therefore, only liable for the statutory 10 point penalty for entering administration, although the league increased the punishment to 15 points as the club failed to follow correct administration procedure.
I don’t wish to harangue STV on what was an article with genuine information but they cite Leeds as a precedent: “there is no guarantee that the Scottish Premier League would act in the same way as their counterparts in England but the similarities between the regulations mean that the precedent may be used as a guide”.
If I was Rangers right now I would be trying to convince everyone that putting a football club out of existence, only to allow another company to pick up its league share, with a points total calculated from the position of the former club, is similar to a common administration. It’s not. This would be a completely different scenario.
Having discussed this matter with many people throughout the game and the media, I can find no precedent for a football club going out of existence and phoenix-ing back into the same league spot.
Airdrieonians failed in 2008, when the owners of Clydebank FC moved to Airdrie and renamed to Airdrie United. Gretna FC were voted into the space created by the absence of Airdrieonians (then a Second Division team), but entered at the bottom of the Scottish Football League.
Gretna failed in 2008 and a new club based at the same ground successfully applied for membership of the East of Scotland Football League. Annan Athletic entered the bottom rung of the Scottish Football League after Gretna’s demise, not into the First Division spot Gretna were unable to fulfil. Third Lanark were in the bottom division of the Scottish Football League when they were replaced by Clydebank.
Gretna-Annan, Clydebank-Gretna, Third Lanark-Clydebank are the only precedents that exist. If you fail, the team that replaces you joins the bottom rung of the Scottish senior league structure, there have been no exceptions, in Scotland or in England.
The SFA have a say in this matter also. They must ratify any decision of the SPL board and grant a licence to a new club before if can play in the SPL or Scottish Football League. The national association is made up of member clubs, most of whom stand to gain considerably if a Rangers Newco FC were to enter the Scottish Football League.
Irrespective of the SPL’s decision, the SFA better have some pretty good lawyers if they deviate from precedent. The football authorities have a duty to ensure their competitions observe meritocratic and moral correctness. It’s only ‘fit and proper.
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Billy Stark
Paddy T
Billy Stark
THE EXILED TIM says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:40
It has to be the long game, or else we have no wriggle room.
After last night ive got a feeling! Ive just got that feeling!! Ok??
Night all. <):)
billy stark
macca
B mcclair
Ian Ferguson
Hoops am I?
Clue 1: I made 74 starts for Celtic: playing for Celtic in the late 80s
Clue 2: I scored a total of 25 goals
Clue 3: I also played for St Mirren in my career
Clue 4: I made by debut for Celtic against Morton in 1987, playing in midfield (3pts)
AAFG says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:55
I see you took it well, thought about, stewed about it and then decided to be the bigger man with a mature response that could only have someone like me furious with envy.
I think there is a few toy cars and a barbie doll over there in the corner of the room – can you put them back into your pram where they belong?
Nighty night, dont let the bed bugs bite…!
Answer: Biily Stark
Billy Stark
Great version of ‘Glasgow’s Green and White’ last night
It’s amazing the noise we can make when
we are all behind the team.
I am Neil Lennon on a celticrollercoaster
One Second ya jammy so & so ;)
JD
The final scores:
setting free the bears 48
pracepta 30
Neil Lennon Is A Celtic Soul Brother 29.5
Celtic Champs Elect 26
lostinbonnybridge 25
bjmac 24.5
Seven Fishes Four Steaks 23
prestonpansbhoy 22
Jobo Baldie 18
the long wait is over 13.5
Bobby Murdoch’s Curled Up Winkelpickers 13
baldybhoy 11
Paddy Turner 6
Well done SFTB, lead from the front!!! A link please for the song of your choice to start of the music?
Thanks to everybody that took part. Hope you enjoyed it?
Looking forward to Sunday and murdering the mothers!!!
HH
CRC
prestonpans bhoys says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:11
1. Which London club did Martin O’Neill finish his playing career at? chesterfield
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CHESTERFIELD
Jesus, Mary & Joseph…………remind me never to go On-Tour with anyone from P/Pans….
Is that Power Station still giving out them “side effects”
Paddy T
Well done again CRC & Mrs CRC :-)
Great quiz again, mate.
Congratulations SFTB!
hh
bjmac
i am neil lennon
thanks for the quiz.
hh
bjmac says:
4 November, 2011 at 22:19
Am away up to drag her away from the windae. I wondered why she was shopping for red light bulbs at Asda :-)
HH
CRC
crc
Cheers.
I will start with one of those modern beat combos.
My youngest bought this CD and has been playing it non-stop.
I like this one
The Horrible Crowes
Alright bhoys n ghirls
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Hail Hail
Alright bhoys n ghirls
Looking for sponsors for my Movember campaign, any donation is greatly accepted
I’m asking you to support mine and DBBIA’s Movember campaign by making a donation by either:
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If you’d like to find out more about the type of work you’d be helping to fund by supporting Movember, take a look at the Programmes We Fund section on the Movember website: http://uk.movember.com/about
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Is CP a better place with 30,000 faithful ?
CRC – thanks again for the quiz.
Need to brush up on my typing skills – 2 fingers are too slow for the bonus points! :-)
blantyretime
Thank you, very much appreciated. Apart from occasional posts on here I don’t speak to anyone at all at least 5 days a week and, when I do, it’s the lady at the check-out, Tuesdays and Fridays.
I want neither sympathy nor empathy (pretty sure my spelling is atrocious now, please excuse me).
Two regrets :
Barbro is gone
I am still here, more than two years later. Why?
Sometimes I try to join in to the debates on here, quite peurile really. I stopped caring some time ago.
I do appreciate the good wishes from you and others and thank you all. It just doesn’t change the fact that I no longer care.
So much to say, but no reason why I should bore all you good people with details – and I know there are many good people out there.
Anyway, sincere thanks
AAFG – born 3 months apart and a few streets away from Sir Awex.
Paddy Turner says:
4 November, 2011 at 22:18
nope having CQN and banter with a hun in the my room and getting on well………his pish comment not mine, welcome to p’pans intermedia………………….
praecepta says:
4 November, 2011 at 22:24
You didn’t do too bad tonight. A nice wee runner up spot
HH
CRC
Well bhoys ,looks like the MSM have built the well game up a treat
IMO this where our Lenny earns his corn and could shift the pressure .
The MSM have built it up as a do or die game for the celts ,well let’s win it bhoys and turn the tables .
hail hail
CFC – well done again with the quiz.
jobo
Gordon64 says:
4 November, 2011 at 22:23
Is CP a better place with 30,000 faithful ?
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30,000 faithful?
Up in your neck of the woods they openly boo big Sammi ,even when he isny playin.
Gordon64 says:
4 November, 2011 at 22:23
Is CP a better place with 30,000 faithful ?
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Do you choose the 30k?
Or do you have to wear a special badge for the 30k club?
Maybe a funny handshake to get? :O)
CRC-Great quiz as normal.Nearly went for Stark after the first clue but thought it was too much of a long shot!
G64
yip
3000 fans v prawn brigade…
always..
notice how the corperate boxes where empty last night…
I don’t meant the season ticket bhoys for those areas btw..
and no I wasn’t there last night…
AAFG says:
4 November, 2011 at 22:27
Sorry mate,thought you were a new poster till I put
my sherlock heid on ,and deciphered your blog initials.
Have about thought you regularly,hoping you would pop in.
Best wishes to you.
Night night fholks of to bed.
VP
Not last night.
Even the Sammi boo bouys among the empty seats
were cheering the big man.
The best pass he’s ever hit.
We even did a 3 man huddle !
AAFG
That should be ,thought about you,sorry.
AAFG
my email has never changed if you fancy a wee chat..
Im available 24/7…
blantyretim says:
4 November, 2011 at 22:31
Bt ,are you in pv tomorrow afternoon?