It will surprise no one that Uefa have charged our football club with “the displaying of an offensive banner and setting off of fireworks [sic]by fans”, this action was as inevitable as the dawn. At least some of our number believes setting off flares in a football stadium is a reasonable action and that provoking European football’s governing body is a smart thing to do.
In terms of protest, “**** Uefa” is not quite up there with Martin Luther’s Thesis or what we’ve witnessed in the Arab world this year. It’s simple rebellious behaviour, which some of us are compelled by in our teens and a few take a long time to shake off.
Forget calls to self-police, I’ve never seen it work with a football support. Ever. If you think you are going to convince anyone the folly of profane banners, flares or even IRA chanting at a football game, save your breath. Those who are up for the protest (whatever the subject is) are more likely to find your call for restraint as complicity.
This series of protest and consequence will run for years, will split the support and damage Celtic. Neither the club nor the support has the leadership to do anything about it. Copy and paste the thoughts you write on the subject, you can use them again without having to retype.
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Celtic_First
Not being converse with the workings of the HMRC, gleaning all my info from RTC, he seems to be just keeping the wolf from the door re his non/late payment of PAYE and NI.
Considering his history and the fact that the big case is ongoing, the appeal of the wee bill, I am surprised that HMRC are allowing this to carry on.
Time will tell if HMRC know what they are doing.
Becoming more upset with this site by the minute. Since the adverts came on its all about the bad celtic support who still have done NOTHING wrong in the eyes of the law. But in the eyes of the so called free press and PC mob they are a disgrace .This will be my last post or view on this money making (not lay journalism my arse )site .Good night and God bless to you all I HOPE NO ONE TAKES ANY OFFENCE TO ME SAYING GOD . I KNOW SOME DONT BELIEVE
the exiled tim
about swally having no money to spend (sone aluko)
if the huns sell at christmas and bring in a few million quid
what is to stop swally spending this cash unless its siezed by some creditor, which at this time, doesnt seem to be likely
If the Multi billionaire guy who owns the huns is going to “bump” the taxman, by not paying his bills, why is there pressur on him to sell sell selll
If the multi billionaire does sell sell sell, isnt there a danger that the tax man would arrest that money anyway, so where is his incentive to sell, before the “bumping” happens. ie might as well owe 60 million quid when you go bankrupt as 50 million quid
I’m Neil Lennon (tamrabam) 20 December, 2011 at 11:42:
In each of the cases the tax man (who doesn’t do deals, especially not any more) didn’t have over 25% of the amount owed to non secured/prefered creditors. This allowed all of the cases to escape admin with a penny in the pound CVA.
The tax man in rangers case controls the vote in the CVA because they are owed more than 50 % of this debt.
Remember what I said about the tax man who doesn’t do deals?
The Honest Mistake
Does the taxman do deals? Can you just clear that up for us please?
( Sally )
It’s Christmas time
There’s no need to be afraid
At Christmas time we ref with wullie
And the fourth esatate
( Jabba )
Before the Old Firm Derby
We´ll misrepresent the bhoys
Throw your arms around Kris Boyd
At Christmas time
(Jingle)
But say a prayer, pray for the bankrupt huns
At Christmas time it’s hard
But when you’re being undone
(Paul Brennan)
There’s a world outside your window
And it’s a world of dread and fear
(Neil Lennon)
Where the only water flowing
(Tom British & Stuart Mc Dougal)
Is the bitter sting of tears
(Phil & RTC guy)
And the Christmas bells that ring there
Are the clanging chimes of doom
(Peter Lawwell)
Well tonight thank god
It’s them instead of us
(Campbell Ogilvie & Stewart Regan)
Please God no snow at Mordor
This Christmas time, the greatest gift
They’ll get this year is life
(Donald Mc Intyre & Martin Bain)
Where nothing ever grows
and we both have to lie low
(John Grieg & John Mc Lelland)
Do they know it’s Christmas time at all?
(Craig Whyte)
Here’s to you
(Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo )
Raise a glass for everyone
(Dizzee Rascal)
Spare a thought this Yuletide
For the deprived and angry hun
who wont survive
(Craig Whyte)
Here’s to them
(Andrew Ellis)
50,000 stupid huns
(Sir David Murray)
I ain’t gonna feel guilty
Just selfless
Given more than enough help to the helpless
(John Grieg & John Mc Lelland)
Do they know it’s Christmas time at all?
(Hugh Dallas)
Still nae Job [5x]
(All)
Let them know it’s Christmas time again
Hail Hail
Ciao——
17 arrested in Italy’s latest match fixing / betting scandal . Those arrested include former Italian international and Atalanta Captain, Christian Doni . Gangsters from Singapore and Eastern Europe said to be involved .
Big list of Serie A /Serie B games being investigated..
No comment yet from those ” fair play ” boys at UEFA .
Sunny , clear blue sky , cold Balkan wind , way down south.
Dizzee Rascal = Ali Russel
pitymevin at 11:48
This will be my last post or view on this money making (not lay journalism my arse )site
Can’t say any of your others (if there were any) were in anyway memorable.
don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Mort
The Exiled Tim.
It’s an interesting question. What’s to stop HMRC from presenting a winding up order now? It wants to big tax case to conclude. It wants a shot at the £50 million. Sell all their players, sell the Brox, sell Murray Park, sell whatever is left to Newco. Who knows? The floating charge is a bit of a pain, right enough.
pitymevin,
so your scurrying into oblivion allowing the PC brigade to count you as one of the immoral majority.
Celtic_First 20 December, 2011 at 11:51:
I can confirm after this minute asking Hector if he’ll accept a 5 pence in the pound deal for my PAYE that he does not do deals. This news is of course more sweet than bitter.
South of Tunis
Did anyone say bad words? If not, maybe that’s why UEFA haven’t reacted.
pitymevin,
I’ll introduc you to Mor and you can answer him face to face
Bob, where’s Dec?
THM
very good m8 thanks for the info
i understand that the multi billionaire chap who owns the huns is a secured creditor for 18 million quid
is it correct that he gets his money before the taxman
ie the huns would need to give the billionaire 18 million in cash or players contracts or the stadium itself
then the huns go bust and dont pay the taxman a curdie (sp)
the billionaire owns the park and starts a new company called RFC 2012 or something like that
his pals then chip in a few million quids here and there to refinance the club and off they go again
what happens to the players contracts?
do we have to rely on the integrity of the other SPL teams to ensure that the huns dont get back into the spl
cos a few on here are not even sure we can rely on our board to stop this
I’m Neil Lennon (tamrabam)
I’m sure that’s been the gameplan from day one assuming they lose the big tax case.
I’m Neil Lennon (tamrabam): 20 December, 2011 at 11:23
rangerstaxcase.com – everything you need to know about it … and more.
Starryhope 20 December, 2011 at 10:02
& dallasnomore 19 December, 2011 at 17:26
with a nod to ernie lynch 19 December, 2011 at 17:33
Re the naming of songs:
If the club gave us a list of 100 songs to not sing, someone would find the one they missed off the list. If they gave us a thousand, ditto. It is a question of “the spirit of the law versus the letter of it”. There are some being deliberately obtuse in this discussion.
ernie lynch to Burnley78: You’d have taken down the Tricolour, wouldn’t you?
The Tric isn’t the problem – I can’t see any way in which the Tricolour or A Soldier’s Song could be deemed offensive to any “normal person” and that is one I would like to see in court. Indeed indeed Fields of Athenry or most of our other songs would not be a problem.
We DO know that Celtic Symphony’s chorus is an issue (ironic that we’ve been told for years not to amend lyrics of songs but for that one we need to!) and BOTOB has definitely been singled out for its “joined the IRA” lyrics (yeah, yeah I know).
The problem is now that some have raised the stakes so high, by not heeding warnings from the club (that flew the flag and defended its right to) and the manager (who has experienced more bigotry than any many should), that the establishment are using a legal sledgehammer to crack a nut.
The “supporters” are definitely not the problem, but some who rebel against any sort of direction, even that in their and the club’s best interest, or nuggets that write big sweary words then hope to hide behind the club are.
heid the baw
what happens to the payers contracts in an admin situation?
are the likes of jelavic etc sold to pay the taxman
If so then its in the multi billionaires interests to sell sell sell now, before admin,
because after admin the cash goes to hector the taxman
and if he sells before admin the cash goes to him
BTW will we talk about the huns BA before admin and the huns AD after debunking
Celtic First —-
Indeed !
Growing war of words between the Swiss FA and UEFA in respect of the Sion farce.
The Swiss FA are claiming that legal constraints prevent them from punishing Sion in the manner that UEFA are demanding ..
UEFA are stating that if the Swiss FA doesn’t do what UEFA is telling it to do then the Swiss FA will have their UEFA affiliation suspended.
UEFA are also stating that if The Swiss FA doesn’t do what it it is told then Basel will be expelled from the Champions League
Meanwhile the Swiss FA has ever so casually mentioned that there might be something of interest to be found in the presence of Ukrainian teams in last season’s /this season’s Champions League
I’m Neil Lennon (tamrabam)
I have no idea as to the legalities of the contract situation but I can see Jelly etc being sold and replaced by cheaper players with the money raised keeping them afloat long enough to carry on until the outcome of the tax case is known.
is there a tranfer window soon?
Huddersfield Town have issued a hands-off warning to Celtic over Scotland striker Jordan Rhodes. (Daily Express)
Luke Chambers will be offered the chance to quit Nottingham Forest by Celtic next month, with the cash-strapped Championship club unable to offer the defender a new contact beyond the summer. (Daily Express)
Algeria coach Vahid Halilhodzic has urged Rafik Halliche, the out-of-favour Fulham defender who had a trial with Celtic, to sign for the Glasgow club after Daniel Majstorovic was ruled out for six weeks. (the Sun)
South Of Tunis says:
20 December, 2011 at 12:15
Celtic First —-
Indeed !
Growing war of words between the Swiss FA and UEFA in respect of the Sion farce.
The Swiss FA are claiming that legal constraints prevent them from punishing Sion in the manner that UEFA are demanding ..
UEFA are stating that if the Swiss FA doesn’t do what UEFA is telling it to do then the Swiss FA will have their UEFA affiliation suspended.
UEFA are also stating that if The Swiss FA doesn’t do what it it is told then Basel will be expelled from the Champions League
Meanwhile the Swiss FA has ever so casually mentioned that there might be something of interest to be found in the presence of Ukrainian teams in last season’s /this season’s Champions League
…………….
Where the popcorn smilie from KDS when you need it?
Dog rough
Too many Lap Prancers last night
WassailGemmell,ML2much
Tamrabam
Indications are that two of the remaining SPL members would need to say no to Newco.
Paul67 assures us Celtic will say no. Thank God, although nothing else would make any sense given what we’ve all been through, not least in the last three seasons. I repeat, nothing else would make any sense. Lots of people anticipate that the board will cosy up and let them back in because the games against them are too valuable. I don’t buy it, and never have.
Assume Celtic say no to Newco, we require one other right-thinking club to stand up. Rangers have plenty of friends among the other clubs, up to and including season ticket holders in boardrooms. This is worrying.
The comforting places I go to in my mind when contemplating this are, in no particular order:
– Hearts. Strange, right? But it’s still Vlad we’re talking about (unfortunately for the Berrrrrs it’s not David Murray). Vlad is well and truly scunnered with Scottish football and with bearing the brunt of HMRC’s public opprobrium. Given the chance to share the shame around a bit, showing that what has happened to him can also happen to Scotland’s second biggest institution after the Kirk, I think he will bite their hand off.
– St Mirren. Well enough run club. New stadium. Possibly pick some supporters up from the demise of their neighbours? Possibly even the less benighted of them?
– Hibs. I know, but their board might come under some fan pressure. Hibs have had to sell a generation’s worth of best players to build a new stadium. It’s now the best outside Glasgow. An improved chance of getting into Europe in future seasons to make the most of it? Why not? They have an ambitious new manager and will not need to sell players in the years ahead.
– Aberdeen. Fan pressure. Increased chances of European football.
– Dundee United. Fan pressure. Increased chances of European football.
– Inverness. A strange one indeed, given that season-tickets among boardroom members comment. However, there is a key point to make here. Any club looking good for relegation will have to say no to Newco, otherwise they are chucking away a get out of jail free card. If Rangers die, the other eleven will stay up. There will be no relegation. It will be rubbish, but it will be survival.
Here is a further point. Even if Newco get into the SPL, God forbid, they will start on zero points. If they say they are not picking up Rangers’ tab because they are not Rangers, they will not be picking up Rangers’ points either, ten-point deduction or no ten-point deduction. They can’t have it both ways. If the big tax case first tier tribunal reconvenes in January, the estimates are that it could be Easter before all the results are in. If that’s when Newco become an SPL club, they could have a 20-odd point shortfall to make up in under two months and will get relegated anyway.
Laugh? As I’ve said before, I’ll even think about buying a Scottish newspaper again.
Eye on the ball Celtic,forget the huns,too many false dawns about them going breasts north.October 25 is D Day,cant pay wages etc etc.Win on Saturday and focus on the huns game.
jocky bhoy says:
20 December, 2011 at 12:08
I was suggesting that WE, the support, provide a list of songs that we deem as a complete list and let the ‘authorities’ respond on which are not acceptable to them – along with their reasoning. This could then be debated in a mature manner by applying the rules of fair and reasonableness. IF they don’t object then they cant act when those songs are sung.
I personally like to celebrate my Irish heritage and my political leanings in the company of like-minded friends – out of the earshot of anyone who might be ‘offended’ and have never sung any of the songs under debate at a football match.
Starryhope
.
Watching..The Thriller in Manila..
Don King brought out 3 Referees from America and Joe Frazier s camp Refused ALL 3..so the World Boxing Council Chose a Unknown Local Guy..
Hmmm
Summa
I have been tasked with completing a quest.
I believe I may need your help.
It has become apparent that a number of CQNers have gone missing.
You could say noticeable by their silence.
You will know these fine fellas but I need to gather all their names before I go searching for them. I really wouldn’t like to leave any of them behind in the shadows.
They normally have much to say blaming all our clubs ills on our apparent obsession with everything Rangers. This obsession, they say, loses us games and ground to the aforementioned.
So please, if you remember who they are, let me know and I’ll keep my eyes peeled for them on my quest.
WISH ME LUCK.
==========
Quick update.
So far I’ve found Bada Bing. Welcome back Bada.
MWD
jocky bhoy
“We DO know that Celtic Symphony’s chorus is an issue (ironic that we’ve been told for years not to amend lyrics of songs but for that one we need to!)”
The Celtic Supporters have removed the offending lyric this season, some even argue before the initial UEFA charge . If you dispute this, I’d politely ask , when were you last at a game and heard the offending lyric, inside Celtic Park?
“The problem is now that some have raised the stakes so high, by not heeding warnings from the club”
What unheeded warnings are you referring to precisely, and in what way have Celtic Supporters raised the stakes in terms of alleged illicit songs?
OK for the many who are not willing to listen to what i say .. the same thing happened in april when i posted .
My mate works in centre one in the fraud team he was not involved in any way …..but did have nothing to gain by repoting what was being said behind closed doors at centre 1 in april .
THE TAX TEAM WHO ARE INVESTAGAITING RANGERS USED CENTRE ONE AS THERE BASE WHEN THEY ARE UP HERE .
THE TAX TEAM ARE FROM LIVERPOOL OFFICE WHICH IS WHERE THE CASE IS BEING CLAIMED FROM AS IT IS THE MAIN PAYE OFFICE AND THAT IS WHAT THE TAX OFFENCE IS BY RANGERS
also like many on here i am only passing on what is being reported to me if you doubt that i dont want rangers bankrupt and finished then you dont know me been down all this shite when i posted this in april i was just updating that is all .
I dont doubt the tax case but so far nothing on there has come to pass but then i have said nothing that an be proved .i hope i am the one who is wrong .
Celtic First
“As I’ve said before, I’ll even think about buying a Scottish newspaper again.”
You took that too far. ;o)
MWD
new article posted.
Where´s Davie King ?, the South Africans sing,
The old is past, there’s a new beginning.
cash raising frendlies dreams of 9 in a row
hun minds are numb at the faces on show
Pay tax time, penalties and fines
Asset strippers saying all is fine
Not one single buyer and with Ibrox for free
A time to rejoice in the good that we see
Its a time for waiting, a time for getting,
A bill from the taxman and this time no forgetting.
Love and laughter and joy ever after
ours for the taking, just ignore the b******s
Pay tax time, penalties and fines
Asset strippers saying all is fine
Not one single buyer and with Ibrox for free
A time to rejoice in the good that we see
Whyte nights property rights
Its a time for waiting, a time for getting,
A bill from the taxman and this time no forgetting.
Christmas is love, Christmas is peace,
A time for hating and fighting to cease.
Pay tax time, penalties and fines
Asset strippers saying all is fine
Not one single buyer and with Ibrox for free
A time to rejoice in the good that we see
Not one single buyer and with Ibrox for free
A time to rejoice in the good that we see.
SirCliffCSC
Celtic_First says:
20 December, 2011 at 12:20
Tamrabam
Indications are that two of the remaining SPL members would need to say no to Newco.
Paul67 assures us Celtic will say no. Thank God, although nothing else would make any sense given what we’ve all been through, not least in the last three seasons. I repeat, nothing else would make any sense. Lots of people anticipate that the board will cosy up and let them back in because the games against them are too valuable. I don’t buy it, and never have.
Assume Celtic say no to Newco, we require one other right-thinking club to stand up. Rangers have plenty of friends among the other clubs, up to and including season ticket holders in boardrooms. This is worrying.
The comforting places I go to in my mind when contemplating this are, in no particular order:
– Hearts. Strange, right? But it’s still Vlad we’re talking about (unfortunately for the Berrrrrs it’s not David Murray). Vlad is well and truly scunnered with Scottish football and with bearing the brunt of HMRC’s public opprobrium. Given the chance to share the shame around a bit, showing that what has happened to him can also happen to Scotland’s second biggest institution after the Kirk, I think he will bite their hand off.
– St Mirren. Well enough run club. New stadium. Possibly pick some supporters up from the demise of their neighbours? Possibly even the less benighted of them?
– Hibs. I know, but their board might come under some fan pressure. Hibs have had to sell a generation’s worth of best players to build a new stadium. It’s now the best outside Glasgow. An improved chance of getting into Europe in future seasons to make the most of it? Why not? They have an ambitious new manager and will not need to sell players in the years ahead.
– Aberdeen. Fan pressure. Increased chances of European football.
– Dundee United. Fan pressure. Increased chances of European football.
– Inverness. A strange one indeed, given that season-tickets among boardroom members comment. However, there is a key point to make here. Any club looking good for relegation will have to say no to Newco, otherwise they are chucking away a get out of jail free card. If Rangers die, the other eleven will stay up. There will be no relegation. It will be rubbish, but it will be survival.
Here is a further point. Even if Newco get into the SPL, God forbid, they will start on zero points. If they say they are not picking up Rangers’ tab because they are not Rangers, they will not be picking up Rangers’ points either, ten-point deduction or no ten-point deduction. They can’t have it both ways. If the big tax case first tier tribunal reconvenes in January, the estimates are that it could be Easter before all the results are in. If that’s when Newco become an SPL club, they could have a 20-odd point shortfall to make up in under two months and will get relegated anyway.
Laugh? As I’ve said before, I’ll even think about buying a Scottish newspaper again.
………….
If they go into liquidation during the season, a newco will not be allowed in this season, the SPL will continue withh 11 clubs, every game played by them already played and those still to happen wil be 3-0 to their opposition and rthere will bbe no relegation. The newco would have a legal fight with the team who win the 1st division if they get invited back.
is this a celtic site or rangers site .come on forget about them on here. the big picture is we have to win this seasons league no ifs or buts .so forget about slagging them off ,and remember we have critizised them for the last 3 seasons and low and behold who won these last 3 league titles?
tamrabam
Every penny the MBB spends is a penny less for him at the end of the day.
Anyone they bring in will be for free.