This morning’s article in the Daily Record is not a work of fiction. They reported that SFA chief executive Stewart Regan’s “bid to deliver a broad consensus over the way forward also involved discussions over the appellate tribunal’s transfer embargo on Rangers.”
In short, the SFA discussed changing their rules to disband the Independent Appellate Panel process before instructing Lord Carloway to sit in response to the Court of Session’s rejection of his previous judgement.
With two further Independent Judicial Tribunals still to sit in judgement on the actions of Rangers, for the illegal registration of players and non-payment of social taxes during the EBT era, the SFA will also subvert these rules before ‘Rangers’ are expelled from the Association.
After the meeting Regan left for his summer vacation without instructing Lord Carloway to convene the Appellate Panel.
That’s not all.
The scam to establish an SLP 2 in order to allow the SFA and SPL to co-opt ‘Rangers’ into that league is what the governing bodies have planned for your game.
If rules are changed AFTER a club is found guilty and in receipt of a penalty in order to nullify that penalty the game in this country is broke, ethically and financially. Having established independent judicial panels to deal with serious rule breaches the SFA cannot do Rangers bidding without removing all judicial oversight.
We’re back to the days of George Peat walking in and out of hearings for the Celtic manager.
Most disturbingly of all, YOU are the cash cow for this outrageous enterprise. With Rangers gone from the SPL Celtic fans bring all the commercial and television income into the game, and are set to buy more away ground tickets than all other clubs put together.
You are expected to continue to cough up for tickets to Tynecastle, Rugby Park etc, and subscribe to ESPN and Sky Sports – money which will divvied up among SPL 1 and SPL 2 teams, as well as they rest of the Scottish Football League clubs, to compensate for them missing out on a ‘Rangers’ game.
You will also pay more money for those tickets than any other group of fans in the league. Why don’t you just write a cheque to Kilmarnock, Falkirk or Cowdenbeath today?
This nonsense will not bring another £1 into the game, all it will do is redistribute money from your pocket to clubs who care nothing for you. Partick Thistle yesterday released a statement on their site, “We believe Scottish football needs to be restructured, financial distribution needs to be fairer for all clubs”.
“Financial distribution needs to be fairer”! Patrick Thistle get to keep all their ticket sales, commercial and other income. By “fairer” they mean they want some of your money. If you agree with them, write them a cheque, but if you disagree, you better figure out what to do next.
Thoughts that some great victory has been achieved are premature. Prepare for the next instalment.
Our domestic competition is, at best, uninspiring. This disgusting land-grab for your cash will destroy our ability to compete in Europe, and it’s not just the senior team who will suffer. The Celtic youth system costs millions to operate each year, don’t fantasise that it will survive intact.
Celtic currently employ 27 Scotland youth internationals. They are almost single-handedly carrying the future of our national team. This attempt to bleed your club dry will devastate all areas, with subsequent consequences for the Scotland team.
It’s not often I’ve told you the Daily Record have nailed a story but this one is on the money (your money). I’m at a loss as to what to do next.
We cannot accept this.
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TinyTim on 24 June, 2012 at 00:03 said:
Paul67
This is the most depressing thread that I have ever read on CQN.
They will NOT be stripped of titles.
They will have no debt and have the opportunity to be back in SPL 1 in one year.
We will be raped of the income we generate , whilst the rapist spends the money that they have robbed from us.
I am sorry to say that a few like me feared and predicted that the goalposts would be moved.
I have not renewed my season tickets yet, because I feared this type of action.
Celtic MUST get out of Scottish football.
They have to engineer a way out.
Kick the door open .
Noone is going to open it for us.
TT
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Exactly matey couldn’t agree more, I’ve been saying it for months on this site and a few boys kept saying they’ll be gone but i always had this bad feeling that rules would be broken to suit 1 team.
If they are breaking rules for them now i wonder what other rules were broken for them in the past.
hen1rik on 24 June, 2012 at 00:08 said:
Anyone checked the odds for outrights in the SPL or division 1,2,3 lately ?
don’t think there are any up yet…………………..but it will be 1/10 the bhoys for the SPL………….now which one will sevco be in if any???
Bookies
Our great EDB’s daughter was promoted doctor by the Polish professor.
Celtic First
Good memory. I could add few more.
Margaret McGill
I heard he is huge Celtic fan and remembers about Polish roots.
Guys
I don’t know how it is going to be in the final game but I’m sure that majority of Poland are going to support Germany in the semi final in Warsaw. I also hear that circa 50 000 German fans are coming to Warsaw. Some will watch tha game live, some with Polish fans fans in Fan Zone.
tictalker
The last time England beat one of the major footballing nations in the knockout stage of a major tournament was……………….1966
Sorry, but it was mentioned on BBC today, it was shortbread right enough but I know what you mean
steinreigns…,
:o)
can it be that my short term memory has not suffered as much as the books tell us :o)
Its only the last two seasons I’m talking about, but already so called Celtic supporters altzheimers has made the culprits hero’s, because they refuse to support the Celtic support.
Lets not kid ourselves, they tried to kill the green brigade.
Celtic MUST get out of Scottish football.
They have to engineer a way out.
It’s not getting out that’s the problem… it’s getting in somewhere else.
This is an example of the toxicity of this illusion about changing leagues – as long as folk believe we are not permanently integrated into Scottish football they’ll refuse to deal with the reality. This is denial, just as illogical and just as potentially destructive as the attitude of the Rangers fans when Paul, and then others, pointed out the truth about the direction their club was taking.
deliasmith
Would Scottish football be better off without Celtic?
If Celtic successfully defended it’s position and only got stronger and, as you suggest, destroyed Scottish football, would that pave the way for a British league?
Books
Sixteen roads to Golgotha on 24 June, 2012 at 00:06 said:
Could John Bull win it?
John Bull will win it,
p.s. get David Icke on question time,
from the conspiracy crew.
Magnificentseven on 24 June, 2012 at 00:12 said:
hen1rik on 24 June, 2012 at 00:08 said:
Anyone checked the odds for outrights in the SPL or division 1,2,3 lately ?
don’t think there are any up yet…………………..but it will be 1/10 the bhoys for the SPL………….now which one will sevco be in if any???
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C’mon ma bhoy you told me division 3, hope you haven’t changed your mind.
You were taking bets the other night on this lol.
hen1rik on 24 June, 2012 at 00:11:
“They will NOT be stripped of titles.”
They will definitely be stripped of titles.
“They will have no debt and have the opportunity to be back in SPL 1 in one year.”
Sevco’s future will be measured in months.
Debt free! Another media myth – see ‘HMRC are negotiating a deal over the big tax case’ and ‘Rangers are too big to be liquidated’ as other examples of such tripe.
DJBEE
The last time England beat one of the major footballing nations in the knockout stage of a major tournament was……………….1966
But I bet they never mentioned it twice like me ;-)
Tictalker talking tic
hen1rik on 24 June, 2012 at 00:19 said:
ha ha…i knew that would get an answer :-) 3rd or nothing keep the faith…they are toast
tictalker
Did they not beat Spanish in penalties at euro 96?
Heard similar on bbc radio today but it was along lines of Engurland havent beat a so called footballing nation at a major competition
(except at Wembley) in last 60 years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tictalker on 24 June, 2012 at 00:02 said:
Oh by the way have any of you heard 1966 be mentioned yet?
Well here’s a 1966 fact you won’t hear on bbc itv and sky sports
The last time England beat one of the major footballing nations in the knockout stage of a major tournament was……………….1966
Just thought I’d highlight that one incase you missed it.
I really hope I don’t tempt fate
Tictalker talking tic
deliasmith on 24 June, 2012 at 00:14 said:
Celtic MUST get out of Scottish football.
They have to engineer a way out.
It’s not getting out that’s the problem… it’s getting in somewhere else.
This is an example of the toxicity of this illusion about changing leagues – as long as folk believe we are not permanently integrated into Scottish football they’ll refuse to deal with the reality. This is denial, just as illogical and just as potentially destructive as the attitude of the Rangers fans when Paul, and then others, pointed out the truth about the direction their club was taking.
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Do you not think if Celtic plead there case they would have to make an exception, after all rules are being broken every time with these corrupt clowns.
Surely FIFA would crucify the SFA if they change their process at this stage.It would be different if the Huns didn’t go to a civil court, but they did. Eyes are on Scotland.
If the SFA do try to change their process in mid-course Celtic will never have a better chance to prove cheating and ask for help and a move.
I would exchange those few International Polish descent footballers for Chris Dreja the member of Led Zeppelin. I learned his history. He is proud of the Polish roots and typical Polish crazy :-) said no to Jimmy Page becouse wanted to be the photographer.
Good night to all.
Zbyszek
I have much time for the Germans, they try and play football the right way, they are a hard working people, they control much of the worlds needs/wants in manufacturing, they have my admiration.
I just don’t think they are as good as the Spanish on the football field…yet.
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Doc
Aye life is confusing, my gripe is with my fellow scottish compadres who see people who are Irish, Black, or any other people as subserviant, and they are many, I have had many situations in my life in scotland where my Celtic supporting life caused my family some serious problems, that mi amigo is not the way life should be.
I could expand, but it’s not the place, suffice to say, I am glad I am gone, right or wrong, tis the way I feel.
.Resign Celtic
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Going to bed, car boot sale in a few hours, much joy………..
zimmerman on 24 June, 2012 at 00:17 said:
That is the nightmare scenario my friend.Everybody is too busy talking about ze Germans and el Spanish.We had almost forgotten about Tommy!
The old contemptibles,the Dunkirk spirit.
The Ibrox boss was fizzing after SunSport revealed how top prospect Rhys McCabe had broken ranks and refused to join Charles Green’s newco.
He will now be followed by Kyle Lafferty and Sone Aluko as the threat of a full-scale revolt grew yesterday.
Coisty accused the rebels of a lack of a respect while Green claimed they could face legal action if they try to force a move.
McCoist hit out: “No player has spoken to me about it. At all times during my first year as manager I strived to show players respect. In return I would have hoped they’d have shown me, and more importantly the club, respect by notifying us of their intentions before making it known elsewhere.
“I don’t want Rangers fans to be reading over the next few days how devastated players are about having to go. The fans deserve better than that. They are not daft.”
New owner Green claimed: “We are meeting the PFA Scotland on Monday with a view to allaying players’ concerns about the transfer of contracts, so the timing of these announcements by players is hard to understand.
“The transfer of contracts has already happened and the club’s clear legal advice is that players’ purported objection is ineffective. We will take whatever steps are necessary to challenge what we regard as a breach of contract.”
Those threats won’t stop a string of players from walking away from the contracts. They have been told by union chiefs that they ARE free to go — and McCabe, Lafferty and Aluko are happy to be test cases.
A host of others are said to be ‘considering their positions’ and could follow suit.
Like McCabe, Lafferty will formally hand in a letter to Ibrox chiefs declaring he intends accepting advice from PFA Scotland that he is free to go.
Other key men such as Allan McGregor, Steven Naismith, Steven Whittaker and Steven Davis are monitoring events closely and could join an ever-growing list of departures.
That’s a scenario that has haunted McCoist since the club plunged into liquidation.
The demoralised Gers squad is due to return for pre-season training on Thursday — but there is a big question mark over how many will show.
There’s fury at Green for quietly transferring players’ contracts to the newco club without consulting them.
He claims he is perfectly entitled to do that — PFA boss Fraser Wishart insists he ISN’T. Amid the chaos there has yet to be confirmation from the SFA over who is right.
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/feeds/smartphone/scotland/4391222/Rangers-go-to-war-over-quitters.html#ixzz1yf6HAtqT
Allgreen the Huns are deid on 24 June, 2012 at 00:22 said:
Surely FIFA would crucify the SFA if they change their process at this stage.It would be different if the Huns didn’t go to a civil court, but they did. Eyes are on Scotland.
If the SFA do try to change their process in mid-course Celtic will never have a better chance to prove cheating and ask for help and a move.
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Mate forget FIFA and UEFA, they’re as bent as the SFA/SPL.
tictalker
Haha
Naw they mentioned it once and I had to think about it, it was a scottish guy that worked for an English rag, his money was on Spain not engurland. at best he said Engurlund were a 1/4 final team. He was spot on even a sh#t Italian team will beat them easily.
The Exiled Tim
My opinion is we are warching Germany taking leading in world football in all aspects. I mean the game, teaching football in schools, in financing football etc just my opinion. Spain will be second.
Oh and again as pointed out by a Portugal supporter on real radio yesterday in 1966 Engurland should have played Portugal in semi final at Goodison but for the good of competition they decided to shift it to Wembley (maybe regan got his move the goalposts from English FA)
Tictalker
Didn’t England knock Spain out of Euro 96? On penalties if I remember rightly, with the redemption of Stuart Pearce.
deliasmith
Settingfreethebears – still waiting for your civil answer: you seem unable to write without a personal attack and a sneer.
As far as I am aware this is my 3rd reply to a post of yours. In the first response, I explained my position civilly and coherently and did not even get the courtesy of a reply from you. So when you came back with the accusation that your intellectually impermeable argument had received no civil or coherent replies, I think I am justified in responding in kind to your intemperance. To accuse me of having a default position of sneering replies suggests that you can easily extrapolate from one instance of “personal” attack to imagining consistent characteristics in others. Just because a few CQN posters argued ad hominem in response to your original post, which also contained some breathtaking arrogance in its assumptions, does not justify you in accusing all the responses you received of being of that type, They were not. I know because I read them.
The argument about reciprocity would carry weight if the two sides were comparable in size and support. The point I am making is that, as we currently stand, much, much more than half of the income of the SPL is coming into one club. This is obviously, I mean obviously, wrong and unsustainable. This is implicitly conceded in the justification based on the need to compete against wealthy clubs in Europe.
The argument about reciprocity stands on the grounds that it is the tradition in this country and in others. We reward successful clubs that can generate fan attendance and we do not reward lazy clubs who cannot achieve success. Barcelona do not give away their earned financial advantage. Neither do Man United, Anderlecht or Rosenborg. Nor should they; in sport it is up to the competitor to win it back. The use of “obviously” twice does not make the logic any more obvious because it adds no additional information. Where is the evidence it is wrong? Where is the evidence it is unsustainable? Who, apart from yourself, has accepted this evidence? If it is so obvious an argument, how come you are having such a hard time persuading people of its merits? You can go on to rationalise your failure as being due to the ignorance of fellow Celts who cannot see things as clearly as you, but no one, again with the possible exception of yourself, is going to find that view compelling. It is certainly not evidence based.
Hanging over all this discussion is the fallout from the disastrous, insulting, and so, of course, popular campaign to leave the SPL. Europe is not our prime concern: we are a Scottish club, now the Scottish club, and without a healthy Scottish league to operate in we are doomed.
Assertions, based on untested premises, do not constitute an argument. We do need a healthy league in which to compete. Up until now that league has been a Scottish League, whether healthy or not. From those two initial premises there is no route to a logical deduction that says we need a healthy Scottish league and only that will do. You have written off the prospect of an alternative league as not just unlikely, which is an arguable position, into being impossible, which is a dogmatic one. if you already believe that, there is no room for argument. you have set an immovable barrier to discussion.
The syndrome that is operating on this blog every time the case for redistribution is put forward is called “monstering”. It exactly parallels the reaction of the hundreds of Rangers supporters over the years to the people pointing out that their club was operating in an unsustainable manner.
If the case for redistribution is “monstered” (aka argued against) it is because it is an unpopular opinion which most fellow Celts do not share. The fact that Rangers fans disbelieved the truth and we disbelieve an unproven assertion, does not make both acts of disbelieve equal. The equivalence argument of “one’s as bad as the other” is all too typical of the lazy default thinking of the Scottish pressman (BTW you’re not one, are you?)
I say as clearly as I can – this club will not survive in the operating environment that faces us now. All the ad hominem, insolent and aggressive responses in the world do not change that. We need a competitive, balanced domestic league.
I say as clearly as I can- my club will survive so long as it is prudently managed and keeps a good balance between income and expenditure. In an impoverished league in a European fringe country at a time of financial cutbacks, we will have to cut our cloth but survival is an easily achieved objective. Montrose have survived, Linlithgow Rose have survived. I am sure we can manage it.
If you want the ad hominem, aggressive and insolent responses to stop, you have it in your power to cease using them.
P.S- Do you now understand anything of the reasons why, historically, the gates from Cup ties were treated differently from gates for league fixtures. It would help me if I could be re-assured that you are, at least, reading the responses, because you have continued to ignore them in your reply.
Whatever the outcome of Euros it is obvious to all Spain and Germany are on a different level.
Either could win. If Spain wins its a victory for purist football. It is a sign of the times that Spain are do dominant.Football has changed and players are now protected. 30 year ago Spain would have been kicked off the pitch by brutal less able players.
On the bright side,another outstanding
article by the Reverend Stuart Campbell, on the Wings over Scotland site.
He does an analysis of Motherwell’s outstanding financial prospects for the coming seasons,in stark contrast to the gloomy predictions in the official document released by the club itself,which painted a dire picture of the Fir Park side’s prospects without the GA in the top division….
One Sided Story.
Perhaps the Reverend’s sterling efforts in the struggle against the Foe Malign should be recognised by CQN .
He could be invited down to the next CQN meeting in Glasgow, and presented with CQN Badge (Second Edition) by our Master of Ceremonies,Lord Bournesoupe of Recipe…
hen1rik on 24 June, 2012 at 00:26
Because it fits so well I will use a quote from the iconic….Nelson Mandela Muntz
“HA-HA”
Tictalker talking tic
THE EXILED TIM on 24 June, 2012 at 00:23 said:
Life in Scotland will be better without the Huns, they are corrupt cheats.
They are dead, gone, no more.
Those who choose to follow Greens club(they don’t like that name) are like refugees of a beaten foe trying to negotiate a place with no bargaining chips, the only card they have is a corrupt establishment, time will tell whether the whole of Scottish football is as corrupt as the Huns were.
Hail Hail form a Hun free Scotland.
At least they have no club to follow.
Celtic!!!!
hamiltontim on 24 June, 2012 at 00:39 said:
Celtici!!!!
Surely there is no difference in the following 2 scenarios….
1)……for 12 years RIA avoided paying taxes for financial gain…
2)……the SFA are reconstructing the league for financial gain….
Both parties are bringing the SPORT of football into disrepute, which must be against the FIFA football laws…….
Any lawyers out there, or anyone who has access to FIFA laws…??
Sixteen roads to Golgotha on 24 June, 2012 at 00:26 said:
I agree,
it’s all set for Engerland to win the whole goddamn thing,
p.s.
petition to get David Icke on Question Time
hamiltontim
Just in fae the pub?
Celtic!!!!!!!!!!! Celtic!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sftb,
I think that might have been a waste of effort :o)
Is this a sign their ranks are not as solid as some might have you believe?
canamalar
You may be right but it’s just t’internet.
Henr1k
I have said before on here that to get into a better league, we need both an exit visa and an entry visa.
IMHO getting an exit visa is the hard part, as other leagues won’t make overtures towards us whilst we are members of another football association. If the FA were seen to pursue us, it would leave them exposed if a Euro league pursued their clubs.
If we get an exit visa, the situation becomes very different.
This is where it gets interesting …..think Bosman.
He was able to show that employment practices in football were a restraint of trade.
Right now we are in a position where the association which governs us has been cast in a very negative light, with a major failing in corporate governance. If we were to show the perseverance that Bosman showed, getting an exit via on the basis of a restraint of trade linked to poor corporate governance wouldn’t be too difficult .