And release! Ronny Deila had to go and a few minutes ago, Celtic confirmed that he will leave at the end of the season. I’ve bitten my tongue on this online for months, as I once before suggested we sack a manager here (April 2008) and very quickly regretted it, but as anyone I’ve spoken to privately will tell you, it’s been clear we were on the wrong track since our Champions League exit in August.
The news broke in Norway that he was leaving a few days ago, which forced everyone’s hands to make an announcement now, but I’m glad he’s going to be with us to see the league title won. It doesn’t matter who the competition is, winning the league means lots to many of us, and we’re about to part company with only the second manager in our history not to lose a league title.
For that, he will always be welcome. It would have been absurd to sack a manager two games away from winning the league.
Ronny arrived with a plan for playing football which was cruelly exposed as inadequate in Warsaw, as Legia picked us off. That was acceptable, but the plan never changed. Neither did the results in Europe. We went down to Maribor and Malmo in the same manner.
I’d never heard of Ronny before his appointment but I backed the decision at the time, as he fitted the profile of manager I wanted: not a reject from England, someone who had overachieved with a club in Europe, a student of the game. The remit was right but the candidate was wrong. I still want someone to fit that remit, as opposed to an unemployed manager who has been through the English circuit.
While I would have made the same appointment, the board take responsibility for managerial appointments, good and bad, and they got this one wrong and deserve criticism.
You will note among the appropriate criticism that one journalist, banned from Celtic Park for nearly two years for lying, has used Celtic’s current vulnerability to swing his toe-capped boots.
This is Operation Destabilise Celtic, it’s an alternative strategy to apologising for lying about Celtic, or not lying about Celtic again. It has the hallmarks of an organised PR campaign. You know the script.
Ronny, all the very best and thanks for the Roar. Go win the league with some style.
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Johann
I suggest we start a Friday night spelling bee ….
SoT
Yes, hope you had flitted by ’71? ….;-)
SFTB 8:48
Good post. Not actually sure Dalglish would even have “plenty European experience”. One or two UEFA Cups with Blackburn and maybe a (poor) CL campaign with Newcastle?
Earnie,
I have had misgivings about the Evans case for a long time. The public outcry after his conviction, the momentum to hound him out of football and all that type of thing was constantly met with stringent denial and emerging evidence which his legal team maintained had never been heard at the trial but should have been.
For the avoidance of doubt, anyone who commits Rape should be dealt with stringently by the course and with no exception, however in this instance there always appeared to be something more to the allegation and complaint.
At the time I could not help thinking about Jody Morris who was charged with rape in October 2004 and it was splashed all over the paper that he had been charged and was released on bail. Understandably his reputation, form and career prospects dimisnished immediately.
Some 4 months later the CPS announced that having reviewed the police file they were dropping the charges as there as no realistic possibility of securing a conviction. There had been new evidence uncovered since the Police took the decision to charge Morris (and make those charges public).
Not only was there not enough evidence for a conviction but the CPS were adamant that the case “should not proceed” – they also have duties to an accused as well as a victim.
If it turns out that the new evidence in the Evans case is of such a calibre that any new trial either should not proceeed or depends on a material witness completely contradicting eralier testimony, then there are some pretty high profile people who may well have a whole lot of soul searching to do.
It should also be borne in mind that unlike Morris, Evans spent 2 and a half years in jail for something which would appear to have been wrong in law and potentially fact. If there has been a miscarriage of justice here then some should hang their heads in shame.
Traditionalist88,
Yes, you were one of the posters I was referring to.
I would say that some of our posters have already reached their last resort.
And, I believe there is more onus on the Club to find out why and how to fix it than try to tell people how to register their unhappiness.
Y Not 67
So much for me trying to give yo a wee bit of support!!
Anyway, another lovely day here (many miles West of Tunis) so it is out on the bike for me,
Cheerio for now,
JJ
Course should read Courts — spelling mistakes are obligatory.
Just another bitter poster on a blog with an anti PL CFC board agenda, pathetic and playground stuff in my opinion, another uni socialist ? It has the DNA .imo that is.
http://etims.net/?p=9015
JJ I got it, hence the :))
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It Was The Wee Clubs That Paved The Way In Europe For Celtic…
So That P67s Godfather Got To Lift The Big Cup In Lisbon….
http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/sportscotland/asportingnation/article/0043/print.shtml
Killie v Eintracht Frankfurt (Fairs Cup 22/09/1964). 9 min.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=75MmvvCq1eA
The ‘Greatest Comeback’ In Scoddish Football History ?
[ All Down To The Fantastical “Killie Pie”
..? Ed ]
“The Heids Go Up..!
And There’s A Bit Of A Stramash In The Penalty Area….. ”
“There’s People Oan The Pitch….
They Thinks It’s ALL OVER…
IT IS NOO..!! ”
(Spot Alan McInally’s Dad Playin’ Striker For Killie..! )
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Rangers 1 Killie 2 28/08/1993
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WCFJ0Wt7dsI
Oops….Jist Couldnae Resist..!
AllTheHappySmilin’FacesCSC
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Y Not
….and I knew you had got it . Hence my use of !. !
Definitely off now,
Cheerio,
JJ
My managerial preferences:
MON and Roy Keane would be the dream team but I just cannot see it happening unless DD can present them with a very attractive proposition (legendary status as the men who delivered 10IAR?)
No thanks to Lenny (a backward step) or Owen Coyle (yesterday’s man)
No thanks to David Moyes, who will be eyeing his next role in the EPL.
I’ve said before and I repeat – why not Mick McCarthy? He’s managed at a World Cup, worked within a budget, would get the defence sorted out, and anyone who didn’t play for the jersey would be shipped out. Oh and he wouldn’t take any nonsense from the SMSM. Failing that I’d say Alex Neill.
I’ll also put my hard hat on and say that Peter Lawwell should not be forced out of the club. The reason the zombies hate him is because he is good at his job. I can see him picking up another job at SFA or UEFA but not if he has been hounded out of Celtic
KevJ
Hi, I don’t know this – that’s why I’m asking….
Did Gary’s penalty lead him to the next level of his mission in the CL group stages were, several own goals were scored by Gary to ensure yet another exit from Europe ?
Or, was that another season ?
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Hmmm, I just have a wee suspicion that you do know, not necessarily the empirical answer, but at least the one you were hoping to elicit.. So I won’t bother searching the catacombs of my memory for a response that let’s be honest is unlikely to meet with your approval.
You and I have reached the same point in time via different routes, neither of which is right or wrong; both real but full of experiences and emotions that are so real and have formed our views of life and our ambitions.
I can’t imagine yours no more than you mine, but I think it is reasonable to note that the twists and turns of your path has seen you emerge with a contentment in calling Gary Caldwell whatever insulting terminology you feel gets your point across. Fine, carry on… my road comprised different experiences and characters.
You see I stood in the jungle as well and also remember so many good times, bad times, football played with the incisiveness of a chess grand master but also, and far too frequently, tactics conceived and played out like two four year olds with a rusty shoe-polish tin peever.
It may be a naive and pathetic cri de coeur of my darkening autumn but no individual is the cause of the sometimes massive lightning strikes of good luck nor is anyone the spark that sees the approaching rolling thunder of doom and depression.
Most of all, I suppose the winding path that lined with potholes as it was, has seen me stumble, trip, fall and be helped back to my feet so many times by so many people just primarily leaves me uncomfortable at taking someones performance on the football park, and labeling them as you did, not because you are wrong, but because it condenses so much that was good and wraps it up in a conclusion that hides all the good times as it is consigned with a clang to the wastebasket.
I’ll remember the bad times as well, but not as the epitaph….just as a torch that shines a beam on the good times. That way I can hope for them again.
If you wish to argue the fact that all was bad about Gary Caldwell, or the Board, or Ronny Deila then that is a right you have.
Sadly, for me anyway, I don’t think that you really want to hear the alternative version of the story and the different perspectives that a variety of viewpoints can bring.
I enjoy your contributions. I take and weigh up your opinions and sometimes they add positively to my experiences and thinking.
That to me is the raison d’etre of not only a blog, but conversation and discourse in general….But critically it is not only ‘the point’, it is to me the source of value and the foundation for all progress.
Of course I may be wrong and what we really need is entrenchment and strafing of those with a different judgement as they lie in wait across, or dig tunnels under a muddied and casualty ridden no-man’s land.
Wishing you well.
Hail hail
Matt
Dharma Bam on 21st April 2016 10:44 am
Traditionalist88,
Yes, you were one of the posters I was referring to.
I would say that some of our posters have already reached their last resort.
And, I believe there is more onus on the Club to find out why and how to fix it than try to tell people how to register their unhappiness.
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Yes, that why I wanted to clear up that I am not saying they should stop posting on CQN. But a lot of time,effort and passion goes into most of their posts which again, are ultimately seens by a small % of the Celtic support, maybe a few Celtic employees, then ultimately lost in cyberspace.
A stadium protest would be on the national news.
I read NegAnon weeks ago say he was prepared to join protests outside the stadium. He’s already been punishing the club since last summer when he refused to renew his ST.
What leverage does he have now that he has already withdrawn his support and financial backing?
The easiest way for supporters to register discontent is to post continuously, anonymously and frequently on a fans forum. Many have taken that easy way out.
I don’t know why they would be averse to staging a visible protest if they feel as strongly as they do and would prefer to be inside the ground that watching at home or worse, being dragged round the shops.
Lets see them at the ground on matchday, then they’ll have something new to tell us Monday-Friday on CQN, rather then regurgitating posts they’ve been writing or ~1year or more.
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Y not67on 21st April 2016 10:03 am
ERNIE LYNCH
As I said your life is a sad sad one…..
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My Dear Friend, Big Rollin’ Thunder..
Jist WHO are WE to JUDGE..?
Wee Jimmie Sommerville & Jo Br*nd..
Swear They All Hiv A ‘Whale O’ A Time’..
Doon Croydon….
HOW !!!!
MagpieCSC
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I, too, noticed Paul’s phrase yesterday, “not a reject from England, someone who had overachieved with a club in Europe, a student of the game.”
“Not a reject from England” would rule out many of the names being bandied about by the Bookies and ourselves suggesting that anyone who has managed down there that would be in our price range will be overlooked.
So it seems it will be another Ronny type or someone from the domestic market. I wonder if Peter Lawell will try to bring in someone who has done well against Celtic in Europe, eg. Henning Berg or Ole Gunnar Solksjaer. I would have added Age Hareide to that list but he has recently signed a contract with Denmark for two years.
However, my darkest fears tell me that it will be from a short leet of Yogi, Jim McIntyre or John Kennedy after a spectacular, well publicised attempt to procure the services of the Special One or a last minute attempt to snatch Pep from the clutches of Man City have both failed.
TBJ
Surprised at that
If Martin O’Neill left because he feared that we were going into the slow lane Im not sure where he would think we are now…3 miles from the hard shoulder, over the little ditch and in the field
Not going to happen
“Our esteemed manager” – ie one that doesnt want to listen to PL’s budget discussions too much…
I think we need to be realistic. A really “big name” manager is out of our league (literally).
Really top managers are incredibly sought-after. Simeone at Atletico, Pep, Jose Mourinho, Klopp, Conte… these are guys that clubs view as being able to transform a team’s fortunes almost overnight. They are few in number and almost as soon as they emerge they are snapped up by one of the CL elite. If Pochettino wins the league for Spurs he will be off to Real Madrid or Bayern or somewhere similar pronto.
Beneath them are “big names” whose star is on the wane. Van Gaal falls into that category, Hiddink, Capello, Benitez, possibly Pellegrini, Ranieri as well, until this season’s miracle. These guys are still wanted by big clubs, but they are trading on past glories. They are also all out of our league. Moyes may well fall into this category, in that these guys can reasonably expect to bad decent jobs in the EPL or another big league. They don’t want “projects” – they need money and expect to be challenging at the sharp end of the CL in order to keep themselves relevant.
Toiling is Scotland and occasionally getting third or four in a CL group is professional death to them.
Our bracket is likely to include managers who have a previous connection with the club or Scottish football, who are relatively experienced, and whose career path beneath the top table of the EPL is uncertain. We are an attractive option to someone whose next (or current!) job is Wigan Athletic. This is a big category and includes:
Caldwell, McCarthy, Keane, Lambert, WGS, Neil Lennon, Steve Evans, Alex Neil, Micheal O’Neill and – possibly – MON. I’m pretty certain our next manager will be one of these guys.
Alex Neil is a great shout. But if Desmond is involved, then I suspect it will be some combination of Keane and MON.
MATT STEWART on 21ST APRIL 2016 10:53 AM
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As it’s been said often enough….you have a way with words:)
Gary Caldwell – CSC
Hail Hail
TOSB
If you don’t mind me asking,
why are you so adverse to the like of
Hughes ?
Just curious, not saying you are wrong.
GivehimthemoneyPeterCSC on 21st April 2016 11:09 am
Don’t think MON would come back as manager but a DoF role along with remaining as Ireland manager, and with Keane as new manager, may be appealing.
KevJ
Ma mammy used to say ….”Is that you opening yer mouth and letting yer belly rumble”. :)
Hail hail
Matt
Question: If MON was installed as director of football would you accept and absolute rookie – and I mean no management experience – under his tutelage?
Afternoon Timland from a warm hun free mountain valley.
So another day passes and no word from the suits, there is a full board meeting today with DD in attendance, hopefully they get a few things resolved, mainly Pedro to stop being a DoF and get MoN in to do that job.
And get Park out the door asap.
weeminger on 21st April 2016 11:26 am
Question: If MON was installed as director of football would you accept and absolute rookie – and I mean no management experience – under his tutelage?
No. Do you have anyone in mind?
If MON was DoF, Keane would be manager.
weeminger on 21st April 2016 9:17 am
Do you think there’s one name that would keep a majority happy? Or is it going to be another divisive appointment?
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Excellent question. I’m pretty sure it will be an Old Firmist which would almost certainly be divisive.
Jim McIntyre being touted for the job in some quarters.
A good Tim if nothing else.
However, who is his assistant?
Billy feckin Dodds, that’s who!
Nae chance!
HH!!
Dermot wanted Keane last time, so why wouldn’t he again? If the Keane & MON idea was taken forward that would almost certainly signal the end for PL. I don’t think it will happen.
I think Lennon will get it. He has a track record and is cheap enough so ticks most of the boxes. As far as PL is concerned it will be a case of better the devil you know.
Reading your earlier post SFTB, I’m struck by how little trust you have in the given candidates for the Celtic job.
The notion that we oughtn’t appoint anyone who might use the job as a springboard to some better/ more attractive/ more lucrative role misses three important points:
1) So what? Are Celtic managers not permitted to see a career beyond the club? 4 seasons is the average tenure for ‘successful’ managers at Celtic in recent times, set aganst a career of around 25 years. Those achieving less than ‘success’ get considerably shorter time in the job. Is there an unwritten prohibition on considering the possibility of life beyond Celtic?
2) Is there any evidence that ‘successful’ Celtic managers in recent times have indeed ‘springboarded’ to such better roles? Is Celtic a springboard career move at all? MON took a year out following 4 years of being touted for every top job in England and ended up at Villa, then Sunderland. WGS went to Middlesbrough in the Championship having left, like MON, of his own accord. Lenny, well, that didn’t work out too well at all, and provides no evidence of any sort of springboard. Is there even a single instance of it that might give encouragement to budding EPL managers to use Celtic so?
3) Moyes. Different from every other candidate mentioned. A long-termer. Any offer to Moyes is bound up in the opportunity for him to establish career legacy rather than career progress. The freedom to operate, being trusted to do his job well, and the chance to shape a football club of significance is considerably more important to Moyes than the salary and the future career prospects.
Give him the football club, and let him get on with running it. He’ll retire from Celtic in 10 years time having written a wonderful story here.
All of which drawing unreliably on inference and imagination…
I think you’re wrong; I think the easiest way for supporters fans to register their discontent is to stop supporting i.e. stop going to games, buying strips, etc. They could and maybe even should put their grievances in writing, however, the club can’t tell supporters they can only register disapproval in escalating stages and that’s what you seem to be arguing. Telling people they’re wrong is not the way to bring them back.
And as much as people’s complaints are repetitive, perhaps the cause of their complaint is unchanged, hence the unchanging nature of their posts.
The leverage that Neganon2 and supporters like him have IS the withdrawal of financial support. That is the leverage. It is up to the Club to find out why and perhaps if they gave appropriate weight and credence to all the methods of feedback that supporters have been sending to the club and investigate and act on it and be seen to be acting on it, then there might be more supporters renewing their STs..
GARY67 on 21ST APRIL 2016 11:29 AM
I ask because the Keane I’ve seen mentioned is not Roy. Apparently Robbie is a bit of a MON protege.
My previous comment was a reply to Traditionalist88
New Rangers have Warburton
Celtic had Deila
that’s a handy gauge for weighing up respective replacements for Ronny.
I shudder at the proposal offered by Paul67 that we will recruit to the same criteria as last time. I sudder because that is as good as Lawwell telling us we will recruit to the same criteria.
We moan about MSM being manipulated to act against us. We should not be blinded by the power that CFC can exert on MSM when they want messages put out there…
The talk of big management names is a message they want out there as we approach SB renewal.
Anyone who falls for it needs their heads examined.
Put it this way if SB renewal had been las month and 45000 had renewed – we would be getting told we are seriously looking at giving John Kennedy a go…
Only a negative gesture from season book sales will bring in a ‘top’ manager…imho.
Ye see, ye have to….make…the hierarchy work for your money.
The hierarchy don’t respect you.
They just see you as an easy cash cow.
How many times have they told you that we’ll leave each transfer window stronger than we were when we entered it ?
How long did that last ?
Look how long it took them to come back to the support with they’re £100-kid-on loyalty deduction from your season book when it was all about, the season books not selling ?
The hierarchy are like the Kelly’s & white’s in reverse.
The hierarchy actually ‘add’ more thousands onto the attendance figures.
Is that not, dishonesty ?
Bottom line is….the hierarchy need emptied.
If they fool you this time or, if ‘you’ let them fool you then, the last 4 years will have been for nothing.
Ye couldny make a Celtic supporter out of the entire Celtic hierarchy put together.
Oh, they’ll tell you that they’re Celtic supporters….then they’ll hit you with…
Strachan
Mowbray
Lennon
Ronny
as the men to lead us forward.
All that after chasing MO’N out the door.
Aye,….who needs European finals when ye can get humped with, Artmedia….all the way through to, Malmo ?
Celtic FC / PLC are a rudderless ship that needs restructured.
For that to happen, fans have to stop being ‘cash-cows’ and, grab the club by the b#lls and, get rid of the architects of the – from Seville to, Sevco at Hampden on Sunday – merchants who, unlike us….they don’t feel the pain.
Ye see, the ‘only’ pain that they feel is empty ‘unpaid for seats’ that register a vote of no confidence in they’re, deceitful, sleekit, kowtowing, back of the bus stewardship of the once, mighty Glasgow Celtic FC.
No more back of the bus!
No more being led up the garden path!
No more heated driveways!
Sack The Board – Or watch yer club be killed by sleekit-deceitful-charlatans.
weeminger on 21st April 2016 11:40 am
A Keane/Keane management team under MON?
We may start playing home games at the Aviva!! ;-)
Dharma Bam on 21st April 2016 11:35 am
Its the easy way out I’m afraid, and their absence has often been (wrongly) attributed to other factors, including the weather.
The attendance at the recent Hearts game suggests if their leverage is ALREADY having withdrawn their financial support, then they played that card too early – because they are a minority within a minority, at the moment.
A visible protest at the stadium could not be less effective than their current mode of operation. There’d be increased awareness and it could reach the stage the club would have to respond. Does TGM making 95 posts a week on CQN instead of the regular 75 increase the power of the message? Certainly not.
Why wouldn’t they try it? I am not questioning the legitimacy of their concerns here btw, but hitting their club with the ultimate punishment before exhausting ALL the steps to avoid it is a big error IMO
Once all the dust has settled….don’t be surprised if
our new management team is….
Johnny Collins and, John Kennedy.
Only saying….